This Season has NOT been a success

[rcaldw]

I don't want the original point to get lost in all the debate.

A good season is NOT a season in which you DON'T make the playoffs.

Not in Cowboys land it isn't, nor should it ever be.

 

[kartr]

The Patriots you cited earlier are where they are because they completely lucked out with a 6th round pick.

They didn't trade a bunch of draft picks to move up and get a QB. They didn't pay megabucks in FA for a QB. They didn't trade players or more draft picks for someone elses QB.

In short, they put exactly as much effort into finding a QB as we have. Hire Drew Bledsoe and take a shot on a question mark Michigan QB.

So far their Michigan QB has worked out. Ours hasn't because he was out of football for 3 years.

That's the difference.

No, the Patriots win cause they play 'team ball' instead of Manning's arcade style football. The Pats lost both starting corners for 9 weeks and still won the superbowl and embarrassed Manning in the AFC Championship. I didn't see Brady playing no defense in any game.

 

[superpunk]

I don't want the original point to get lost in all the debate.

A good season is NOT a season in which you DON'T make the playoffs.

Not in Cowboys land it isn't, nor should it ever be.

Rome....

Built....

1 day....

When you can see the progress made, and have legitimate reasons to be excited about the future, it's a success, when you look at where we were.

 

[iceberg]

There is still zero proof that this ever occurred.

looked it up on google and found some articles and journals. if you don't want to believe it, fine. i do believe it cause i saw it. had i known it would be so important today i'd have saved some pages talking about it.

no it wasn't for games on end, it was for 3-4 series and there was talk about it later. if people choose to now think i just make **** up, their call. but then i just question their objectivity if they can't realize that jj was i fact sat down at least once due to fumbles.

 

[jterrell]

I'm sorry, but I cringe when I see a thread that says this has been a successful season, and we may not even be in the playoffs!! Good night, what has happened to us Cowboys fans?!

Ok, I could see us being encouraged by a winning but non-playoff year during the 89-90 seasons because we were 1-15, then 7-9, even though we almost made the playoffs in 90. Our QB was a kid, our running back was a kid, our top WR was a kid, our overall team age was the youngest in the NFL. We had YEARS ahead of us with top skill position players.

We are where we are today precisely because Jones and Parcells have PATCHED the skill positions with the exception of running back. But we have an older QB who is way overrated by some zoners, he is serviceable to good, he is not a pro bowler. We have old WR's with no good young one on the horizon. I also love our TE Witten, so I would say he is a piece in place. Our OL is nothing to write home about.

In other words, this was a team that didn't rebuild, nor did it construct itself to win this year. This is a team destined to be exactly what it is for the next few years, then we are back to square one.

Sorry but thats the kind of thinking of the eternally unhappy and depressed.

This team has improved by 4 games and thats where the bar starts.

You aim to make the playoffs and win he division but occasionally circumstances make that tough. If this team wins 10 games and folks complain so be it. Its their own problem.

No NFC team has missed the playoffs after winning 10 games in what seems forever. Folks were picking 8,9,10, maybe 11 wins this season. If we hit the 10 we had a good season.

This team was built to compete now but also loaded with young draft picks getting significant time. Ware, Petitti, Spears, Barber, Canty all played huge roles this year. Many 2nd and 3rd year guys got into the act as well.

The team isn'y fully developed but it also isn't at the end of a window to be good either. We lost our best defensive player of the first half to injury most of the 2nd half in Anthony Henry. We lost our LT. We had 2 big free agent signings start very slow due to off-season/pre-season injuries with Rivera and Ferguson.

We also played a very tough schedule.

The season isn't over and hasn't been a failure whether you see that or not.

 

[superpunk]

looked it up on google and found some articles and journals.

Then SHOW me. I cannot for the life of me remember this occurring.

 

[kartr]

peterman
rogers
johnson
petitti
rivera

we've tried. like any of those so far? why this "hope" bp is gonna get it right when we're this far back and have "this" to show.

i agree we need to bulk up here on the OL, i just have no faith bp is gonna all of a sudden start getting it right when he's 0-4.5 so far w/petitti having hope for the future.

but gosh, thanks for pointing out what i've been saying all along - we need to get better, but we need to figure out who keeps farting dust on these OL decisions and stop it.

Isn't it funny how whatever team Bledsoe plays for, the offensive line stinks, but other qb's seem able to produce with that same line, see Kelly Holcomb.

 

[rcaldw]

Sorry but thats the kind of thinking of the eternally unhappy and depressed.

This team has improved by 4 games and thats where the bar starts.

You aim to make the playoffs and win he division but occasionally circumstances make that tough. If this team wins 10 games and folks complain so be it. Its their own problem.

No NFC team has missed the playoffs after winning 10 games in what seems forever. Folks were picking 8,9,10, maybe 11 wins this season. If we hit the 10 we had a good season.

This team was built to compete now but also loaded with young draft picks getting significant time. Ware, Petitti, Spears, Barber, Canty all played huge roles this year. Many 2nd and 3rd year guys got into the act as well.

The team isn'y fully developed but it also isn't at the end of a window to be good either. We lost our best defensive player of the first half to injury most of the 2nd half in Anthony Henry. We lost our LT. We had 2 big free agent signings start very slow due to off-season/pre-season injuries with Rivera and Ferguson.

We also played a very tough schedule.

The season isn't over and hasn't been a failure whether you see that or not.

Losers mentality, accept defeat and make excuses for it. We were at 10 wins 2 seasons ago. Just remember my prediction. If we don't change our approach we will be in this same spot or worse in 5 years.

 

[iceberg]

But he is still on the roster. Amazing.

if you're gonna read and laugh, at least keep up. : )

i said "gone" to say people jumped the gun (on other boards, please dont make me go prove this also) to say parcells said "gone" in reference to mcbriar making a 15 yard punt. since he's here, that would be "wrong" then to read his lips, wouldn't it?

what i've NOT seen is BP saying *his* qb made some mistakes critical to the game. last year vinnie threw an INT and someone said bp said "that one is on you!" when he came off the field, meaning they read lips also.

since it was wrong w/mcbriar, then it could be wrong for vinnie also.

now, someone go find proof parcells has ever put the blame for a loss on either vinnie or drew in the last 2 years.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not revisitionist history at all. He had the opportunity to reinstate Bledsoe. In fact, he had a GOLDEN opportunity when Bledsoe led with a heroic effort that got them INTO the Super Bowl that year, and I hate to tell you, but they weren't going to win that AFC Championship game with Brady that day.

So why didn't he go back to Bledsoe? How old was Bledsoe then? 30? Still very young by Parcell's standards.

Tell me, why didn't he go back to Bledsoe?

If Belichek had not inserted Brady due to an injury you may have had a point.

Fact is that Bledsoe getting hurt was the ONLY reason Brady got his shot. All Bellichek did was see the guy win a lot of games after that and decided to stick with him.

Regardless this thread has about as much merit as you lamneting the 'glory days' of MNF. Fact is the attitude from Cowboys fans that you miss is the same attitude that made Texas Stadium one of the least enthusiastic crowds in the NFL.

Im glad that we have a shot at 10-6 with a whole slew of young players. You can wax nostalgia from the mid seventies and nineties all you want but I remember the Campo and Gailey years very acutely and I will take the last 3 over the previous 6, thank you very much.

 

[superpunk]

Isn't it funny how whatever team Bledsoe plays for, the offensive line stinks, but other qb's seem able to produce with that same line, see Kelly Holcomb.

Also funny - seeing people bash Bledsoe blindly, without taking any of the factors that have resulted in a drop-off in production, while constantly making love to Quincy Carter.

 

[iceberg]

Then SHOW me. I cannot for the life of me remember this occurring.

i wish i could, super, if only to end the aruging over stupid points that are in the end pointless.

i do know after more than 1 game another forum i'm on talked a LOT about how jj was benched and there was no strife, discussion, denial - all agreed jjones got benched cause he fumbled.

it could well be a lot of what i'm going on are those posts and conversations and the general feeling of that board that yes, jj got benched cause he fumbled.

and btw - i was wrong that *you* were getting insulting. if anything you've been quite cordial and polite in the midst of a lot of heated discussion. my apologies to you.

 

[kartr]

Not revisitionist history at all. He had the opportunity to reinstate Bledsoe. In fact, he had a GOLDEN opportunity when Bledsoe led with a heroic effort that got them INTO the Super Bowl that year, and I hate to tell you, but they weren't going to win that AFC Championship game with Brady that day.

So why didn't he go back to Bledsoe? How old was Bledsoe then? 30? Still very young by Parcell's standards.

Tell me, why didn't he go back to Bledsoe?

Because he sucks against good defenses.

 

[superpunk]

Losers mentality, accept defeat and make excuses for it. We were at 10 wins 2 seasons ago. Just remember my prediction. If we don't change our approach we will be in this same spot or worse in 5 years.

Seriously. Forget 2003 already. That team was not good. They were lucky. The defense played out of their minds, and we had a ridiculously easy schedule. How can you deny, that this team, which has faced so much adversity this year, and still achieved AT LEAST a winning season, is headed in the right direction? I fail to see how ANYONE could make that assertion. Did you really think Quncy Carter was going to be our savior?

 

[Doomsday101]

Isn't it funny how whatever team Bledsoe plays for, the offensive line stinks, but other qb's seem able to produce with that same line, see Kelly Holcomb.

And yet out of 7 games started by Holcomb the Bills won 3 games. I guess if your going to blame Bledsoe for loses you would have to do the same for Holcomb.

 

[iceberg]

Also funny - seeing people bash Bledsoe blindly, without taking any of the factors that have resulted in a drop-off in production, while constantly making love to Quincy Carter.

who the hell brought carter into this? mixing arguments only results in arguments.

bledsoe for his career doesn't have a good "finish" usually. you can dismiss it here and there, but it's the truth. he holds onto the ball too long, truth.

he has a cannon of an arm - truth. he's an above average qb with a lot to offer, truth. but for whatever reason he does falter towards the end of the season.

truth.

and flo adams doesn't have a thing to do with the long term proven stat.

 

[Alexander]

who the hell brought carter into this?

I'll give you one guess.

 

[iceberg]

I'll give you one guess.

pass - i've got enough senseless arguments going on right now.

 

[wileedog]

Because he sucks against good defenses.

Most QBs suck against good defenses.

That is why they are called good defenses.

 

[superpunk]

i wish i could, super, if only to end the aruging over stupid points that are in the end pointless.

i do know after more than 1 game another forum i'm on talked a LOT about how jj was benched and there was no strife, discussion, denial - all agreed jjones got benched cause he fumbled.

it could well be a lot of what i'm going on are those posts and conversations and the general feeling of that board that yes, jj got benched cause he fumbled.

and btw - i was wrong that *you* were getting insulting. if anything you've been quite cordial and polite in the midst of a lot of heated discussion. my apologies to you.

I don't understand. You said you were just searching on google or something, and you had found articles talking about it. Just post links - I'm ready to believe!!!!! LOL

Let's say JJ DID get benched for fumbling. Has it helped? He's fumbled less in more carries this year than last. If that happened, it seems Parcells was just teaching JJ a lesson, about the importance of holding onto the ball, something that I'm sure has been done before with young running backs. I have NEVER seen that done with a QB, unless you have two fairly similar options. (i.e. Dolphins last year with AJ Feely and .......Fiedler) That wasn't the case with Vinny last year. I agree that VT SHOULD have been benched, but I can see why he wasn't. If you remember, because of the state of the NFC last year, we were actually not eliminated until like week 15 or 16. What message would Bill have sent to his team by starting a kid who hadn't played football for three years, while the team still had a chance? It's all about winning. I'm sure that guys on the team who knew they were auditioning for jobs wanted the player back there who gave them the best possible chance to win. And Bill Parcells has given me no reason to believe that he will do anything other than play the best player he has, and do everything he can to win.