This Season has NOT been a success

[Zaxor]

This is the funniest thread I have read in a very long time.

brilliant commentary :jerk:

lmao

 

[iceberg]

And you just keep making up crap.

Lets just say I believe what you are saying for a moment about JJ. So you're saying that a rookie RB got benched for a series or two because he was putting the ball on the ground is clear evidence that Bill Parcells doesn't believe in building teams for the future?

Because you actually look dumber if you are telling the truth on this one.

thanks again for proving my point. i said proving it would only make you get anal about something else. so now you say IF I DID you'd get anal on something else or find a way to make it fit YOUR views.

and you did, didn't you? now you tell me why i shoulda taken the time to set myself up for this one?

and last time i'll ask you to stop the ******** INSULTS in your posts, dude.

 

[kartr]

Look at our schedule!

Seattle, Denver, Giants 2x, Skins 2X, KC, Carolina, San Diego

and for most part we were in all of them....

We lost 5 of those games and Bledsoe was a major culprit in all of the losses.
What's your point?

 

[superpunk]

wow, i asked someone else to compare what drew did in the later part of this year to his entire history to see if it was consistant and i never got a reply on that. they got too busy being jr high tough on a board and lobbing out laughing emo's.

drew is what drew is - while possible he can win, it's not likely.

Yes, you did make that point, and you were subsequently shown the correlation between the injury to Flozell Adams, and poor offensive line play, and Drew's struggles.

Don't harp on the JR. high stuff too much. Some other guy came in and claimed we were "running in circles", and bailed. You can't blame people for throwing it back in his face.

 

[wileedog]

thanks again for proving my point. i said proving it would only make you get anal about something else. so now you say IF I DID you'd get anal on something else or find a way to make it fit YOUR views.

and you did, didn't you? now you tell me why i shoulda taken the time to set myself up for this one?

I honestly have no idea what this means.

Just tell me if that is your point. Bill (alledgedly) benched JJ for a couple of series because he was fumbling, and that means that Bill has no interest in playing young players?

Is that what you are getting at?

and last time i'll ask you to stop the ******** INSULTS in your posts, dude.

My apologies, I'll tone it down.

 

[superpunk]

brilliant commentary :jerk:

lmao

Yeah, his post added just as much to the discussion as yours, but wasn't insulting to anyone. Interesting difference.

 

[iceberg]

Yes, you did make that point, and you were subsequently shown the correlation between the injury to Flozell Adams, and poor offensive line play, and Drew's struggles.

Don't harp on the JR. high stuff too much. Some other guy came in and claimed we were "running in circles", and bailed. You can't blame people for throwing it back in his face.

when it's at MY expense, i can, ok? i'm trying to NOT get insulting, you two are NOT. keep it up and i'll give it back in return and i'm DAMN good at it.

and i said HIS FREAKING CAREER, not just the part after flo's injury.

is what happened consitant with his career - NO EXCUSES??? just numbers.

 

[Zaxor]

Yeah, his post added just as much to the discussion as yours, but wasn't insulting to anyone. Interesting difference.

do you find running around in circles insulting? or being called uhmmm funny more insulting

 

[kartr]

So, if we expect a super bowl, they'll win one this year?

Looks like you're one of the people who bought into the hyp of that 2003 team. Listen, making the playoffs, and getting 10 wins that year was the worst thing that could happen. It made JJ and Bill think we were a piece or two away, and we all saw how that went last year. Now, they recognize - truely - what they have, and are working on building a strong team. If 2003 Cowboys had to play this year's schedule, with similar injuries, you could chalk them up for 5-11.

Are you kidding, the 2003 season had major offensive line injuries, yet didn't have nearly the talent that this one has, yet won 10 games against a brutal schedule. Maybe you think that facing the Eagles,Panthers,Dolphins,Bucs,Pats and the Bills with their number 3 ranked defense along with Bledsoe and the Saints and Giants with Collins is a easy schedule. Remember, we had Hambrick,not Julius Jones and Marion Barber, Witten was a rookie, and Antonio B. instead of Keyshawn and Carter had just 15 starts entering that season.

 

[iceberg]

I honestly have no idea what this means.

Just tell me if that is your point. Bill (alledgedly) benched JJ for a couple of series because he was fumbling, and that means that Bill has no interest in playing young players?

Is that what you are getting at?

My apologies, I'll tone it down.

thank you.

what i'm getting at is jjones will be benched, for 2-3 series, because he fumbles. yet if vinnie lobbed 2-3 int's for a game, bp didn't seem to care. jjones got "the look" and vinnie got excuses. i'm sure there are times some of those excuses were true just as i'm sure there are times some were all his fault, only bp would never say "that's on you!" except for those who lip-read bp last year and assumed that's what he said.

they did that this year and mcbriar was "gone". : )

bp lets his vets get away with mistakes he won't allow young players to get away with. i think that puts an unrealistic fear into a rookie and a "who cares" attitude in the vet. i don't like the message that sends and i think it's conflicting interests.

as a rookie you fumble you ride the pine. but as a vet you fumble, throw an int you don't even get "the look".

i hate parcells for being so inconsitant in the fundamental "right vs wrong" logic.

 

[superpunk]

when it's at MY expense, i can, ok? i'm trying to NOT get insulting, you two are NOT. keep it up and i'll give it back in return and i'm DAMN good at it.

and i said HIS FREAKING CAREER, not just the part after flo's injury.

is what happened consitant with his career - NO EXCUSES??? just numbers.

How did I try to get insulting? The only thing I remarked on was the running in circles, and I even told the other guy that "to be fair, it wasn't you that said it." I don't care how DAMN good you are at it, I don't waste a bunch of time here to get in an insult match.

This year is basically all I know of Drew. I'm talking really know, not just a stat sheet. And this year, I can look beyond the numbers, and see that while he was struggling, our offensive line was as effective as a bb gun in vietnam, and our run game had the same qualities. I can see that while Flozell was in there, and the running game was at least a little effective,he was excellent. All we could ask for, really.

 

[wileedog]

thank you.

what i'm getting at is jjones will be benched, for 2-3 series, because he fumbles. yet if vinnie lobbed 2-3 int's for a game, bp didn't seem to care. jjones got "the look" and vinnie got excuses. i'm sure there are times some of those excuses were true just as i'm sure there are times some were all his fault, only bp would never say "that's on you!" except for those who lip-read bp last year and assumed that's what he said.

they did that this year and mcbriar was "gone". : )

bp lets his vets get away with mistakes he won't allow young players to get away with. i think that puts an unrealistic fear into a rookie and a "who cares" attitude in the vet. i don't like the message that sends and i think it's conflicting interests.

as a rookie you fumble you ride the pine. but as a vet you fumble, throw an int you don't even get "the look".

i hate parcells for being so inconsitant in the fundamental "right vs wrong" logic.

Ah, that makes a bit more sense, thank you.

And if Jones got "the look" and was benched for a series or two, it was to teach him a lesson. He is a rookie, and he needs to know being careless with the ball is not tolerated.

What are you going to teach a 41 year old QB?

 

[superpunk]

do you find running around in circles insulting? or being called uhmmm funny more insulting

Running around in circles implies that I don't know what I'm talking about. So yes, it's insulting. There was no need for the cheap shot, so why don't you either contribute to the discussion or quit with the asinine comments?

 

[superpunk]

what i'm getting at is jjones will be benched, for 2-3 series, because he fumbles.

There is still zero proof that this ever occurred.

 

[iceberg]

I think this validates our point superpunk. I love it when someone posts a statement, says its a fact, but cant provide a link or anything to prove it. Lets all just assume Iceberg is a JJ hater and leave it at that.

well then you'd be wrong and we'll just leave it at that.

 

[Alexander]

thank you.

what i'm getting at is jjones will be benched, for 2-3 series, because he fumbles. yet if vinnie lobbed 2-3 int's for a game, bp didn't seem to care. jjones got "the look" and vinnie got excuses. i'm sure there are times some of those excuses were true just as i'm sure there are times some were all his fault, only bp would never say "that's on you!" except for those who lip-read bp last year and assumed that's what he said.

What option did Coach Parcells have if Testeverde made mistakes? The great Romo? The impressive Henson?

Sorry, you don't yank QBs in and out of games unless you have two fairly equal players. Not if you have much intent of winning. RBs are a totally different story and it even makes sense to give a changeup here and there.

they did that this year and mcbriar was "gone". : )

But he is still on the roster. Amazing.

bp lets his vets get away with mistakes he won't allow young players to get away with. i think that puts an unrealistic fear into a rookie and a "who cares" attitude in the vet. i don't like the message that sends and i think it's conflicting interests.

You are so right.

I mean this is great. You have it all figured out. Keyshawn Johnson knows it and I have to say he has been sporting quite the "who cares" attitude.

as a rookie you fumble you ride the pine. but as a vet you fumble, throw an int you don't even get "the look".

Unless you can document each and every filthy look Coach Parcells has done, I would suggest that you are picking and choosing what you want to see or moreover, what the networks are showing to you on the sidelines.

He would not get by for as long as he has by creating such an environment. But again, I suppose you have the whole conspiracy figured out.

i hate parcells for being so inconsitant in the fundamental "right vs wrong" logic.

I for one am glad he has conviction. Would you prefer a wishy-washy nebbish who gets run over?

 

[mally]

I think I recall it occuring. I remember he fumbled and then George came in for a bit. Maybe it was Rehard Lee, I cant recall but I think it did happen with JJ. Your not going to find an article on something like that. Because it was only for a series or two, so the word BENCHED is probably not correct. More like he sat him for a couple drives. That did happen.

 

[kartr]

Why has no one ever won anything with Payton Manning?

Cause Manning is a disingenious glory hound who throws too much against weak opposition instead of running the ball enough to keep his defense off the field.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

thank you.

what i'm getting at is jjones will be benched, for 2-3 series, because he fumbles. yet if vinnie lobbed 2-3 int's for a game, bp didn't seem to care. jjones got "the look" and vinnie got excuses. i'm sure there are times some of those excuses were true just as i'm sure there are times some were all his fault, only bp would never say "that's on you!" except for those who lip-read bp last year and assumed that's what he said.

they did that this year and mcbriar was "gone". : )

bp lets his vets get away with mistakes he won't allow young players to get away with. i think that puts an unrealistic fear into a rookie and a "who cares" attitude in the vet. i don't like the message that sends and i think it's conflicting interests.

as a rookie you fumble you ride the pine. but as a vet you fumble, throw an int you don't even get "the look".

i hate parcells for being so inconsitant in the fundamental "right vs wrong" logic.

Come on ,
Bill has done it the same way all these years and has a great history !!!
I do not think even the person with the most hatred for Parcells can argue with the mans history and what he has done for every team he has laid his hands on.....
I am not in anyway agreeing or disagreeing with your benching statements ...
I will say this though If Parcells benches or dose not bench a player for what ever reason well he probably knows better than the everyday fan....
He has a closer knowledge of what is going on inside the players head...
He also has been there and done that so he has that knowledge as well...
You can not treat every player the same cause they are not all the same....

 

[superpunk]

I think I recall it occuring. I remember he fumbled and then George came in for a bit. Maybe it was Rehard Lee, I cant recall but I think it did happen with JJ. Your not going to find an article on something like that. Because it was only for a series or two, so the word BENCHED is probably not correct. More like he sat him for a couple drives. That did happen.

I don't remember that at all. Even if it did happen, can't everyone see how the situation is completely different? JJ was a rookie, Parcells had no reason to trust him at this point. So he brings in someone else to jump start the team, and let JJ (a rookie) know that the fumbling problem is unacceptable. Who was he gonna do that with in Vinny's case? And, as it is, JJ has less fumbles lost in MORE games this year. So if that did happen, which I doubt, maybe it was for the best?