This win makes us a "shaky 5-4" because of the horrible defensive play

[dthahn]

I will take the shaky 5-4 over a solid 4-5.

Amen to that brother!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What about Week 2 or Week 4?

Shocking as it may be, there's probably going to be games where one unit is more responsible than the other for a loss. Picking and choosing which one you are going to pay attention to doesn't make you right.

That's not what I said at all.

But if there was a unit to toss before the other...it's completely asinine to say you'd toss the offense before the defense.

 

[iceberg]

horrible defensive play.

I can't believe that Christian ponder was able to move the Vikings offense on our defense with such ease, which shouldn't give any of us a good feeling going into next week against the Saints. Yeah we move to 5-4 and remain alone in 1st place but it doesn't change the fact that this defense is awful. A 1-6 team should not have come into our house and ran and passed the ball the way they did all day. That's just lets you know what's in store for this defense the rest of the season. This is a win that does not feel good because the defense is getting worst each week and I don't know how any realistic fan can look ahead with optimism.


But like I said we are a shaky 5-4 and hope to see the defense play better at some point

this win, was a win.

and i'm ******** ******* sick and tired of people degrading a win so they can be a ******* miserable whiner.

 

[Hoofbite]

That's not what I said at all.

But if there was a unit to toss before the other...it's completely asinine to say you'd toss the offense before the defense.

I'm not sure what you mean. You pointed out last week, I was just stating that there are plenty of instances where the offense didn't get the job done.

It is what it is. Both sides of the ball have their fair share of responsibility.

I'm really kind of curious as to what you mean when you talk in terms of the "unit". I hope you don't mean a complete swap of everything, players included, because it's unlikely anyone else is thinking of a change in those terms. If that is what you mean, then I would agree with you. You can't ditch all the talent on the offensive side of the ball for the lack of the talent on the defensive side of the ball. Hell, anything has to be better than a unit half comprised of free agents. But that just a ridiculous choice to make and you're essentially giving people a choice between two options that they aren't even considering.

In terms of which coordinator I'd rather see replaced, I disagree and I don't think it's asinine at all.

Since 2010 we've seen 3 different coordinators with very high reputations. We've seen varying results that spanned from downright awful under Wade to pretty good "all things considered". The defense is completely void of talent and they're pulling new guys off the street every week. That said, they're making plays and keeping the team in the game. They're getting turnovers and have scored in numerous games. In terms of getting turnovers, they have far exceeded my expectations and even though they get scorched for a ton of yardage it they keep taking the ball away all those yards will be for nothing.

This team hasn't seen a non-Garrett offense since 2006. They have almost no injuries of great significance, the biggest one being Waters. Miles Austin's absence is likely a blessing because he wasn't getting it done and younger guys are far more hungry and productive than he was. Murray's injury might be meaningful if the team actually every planned on running the ball, but they don't. They don't run at all.

All things considered, I'd rather see a new offensive mindset than a new defensive one. Is the defense playing poorly in general? Absolutely. But that's not what I am basing my decision on. I'm basing my decision on the fact that the defense is completely deplete of talent and I believe they would be much better if Ware, Crawford, Spencer, Ratliff, Claiborne and others were out there.

The offense is performing modestly better under ideal conditions and even if Waters was playing they certainly wouldn't be all that much better. When he was playing they weren't all that much better. At least not in terms of putting up points.

 

[WhizKid]

this win, was a win.

and i'm ******** ****ing sick and tired of people degrading a win so they can be a ****ing miserable whiner.

but but but they are realistic. seriously you are fan of a football team that's about as unreal and ridiculous thing, to be a fanatic of a sports team. no money in your pocket, just good ol' GO BLUE, woo hoo!!!

it bugs me too. I'll just keep on being an unrealistic fan....shrugs shoulders.

 

[cowboyddrippler]

The 0 and 8 TB had seattle on the ropes. This is the NFL. Any given Sunday.

 

[Idgit]

...The offense is performing modestly better under ideal conditions and even if Waters was playing they certainly wouldn't be all that much better. When he was playing they weren't all that much better. At least not in terms of putting up points.

I believe we're still a top-10 offense in terms of offensive points/drive, Hoof.

 

[IrishAnto]

horrible defensive play.

I can't believe that Christian ponder was able to move the Vikings offense on our defense with such ease, which shouldn't give any of us a good feeling going into next week against the Saints. Yeah we move to 5-4 and remain alone in 1st place but it doesn't change the fact that this defense is awful. A 1-6 team should not have come into our house and ran and passed the ball the way they did all day. That's just lets you know what's in store for this defense the rest of the season. This is a win that does not feel good because the defense is getting worst each week and I don't know how any realistic fan can look ahead with optimism.


But like I said we are a shaky 5-4 and hope to see the defense play better at some point

Have you actually looked at who's having to play on defense???

More than half the DL arrived after the season started.

Frankly considering whose playing I surprised we're doing as well as we are.

 

[Hoofbite]

I believe we're still a top-10 offense in terms of offensive points/drive, Hoof.

At face value that's awesome. But looking how some of those points came about.......not so much.

Against Detroit:

4 yard drive: TD​

0 Yard drive: FG
5 yard drive: FG

Against Washington:

15 Yard drive: TD​

15 Yard drive: TD
3 yard drive: TD

Against New York:

3 yard drive: FG​

16 yard drive: TD

That's 5 TDs and 3 FGs where the drive started in the opponents redzone. There are a good number of other drives that are short but not quite "gimmes". And there are like 5 defensive and special teams scores.

I'm pretty stoked the redzone offense is better but not really all that happy that the offense needs all the help in the world to get there in the first place.

 

[DuceizBak]

This defense isn't that great but it has shown time and time again that IT WILL get turnovers for us. The one game it didn't[KC, the offense lost us that game]
We just have to MAKE SURE we put the game away when we get those turn-overs.

 

[TheCount]

Did you not see how we lost the game last week?

Again it's the definition of stupidity to say that you'd toss the offense before the defense.

Do you think stating your opinion a second time while calling me stupid is a valid discussion technique?

You should try watching the entire games instead of just the last two minutes.

 

[CrownCowboy]

The thread quotes our record as a shaky 5-4 as well. That record doesn't reflect solely on what our defense does. It involves all three phases.

Didn't our defense score a TD today?? Didn't it come up with four TO's last week and two this week? You're right, that's horrible!!! A horrible defense I see. If it weren't for that same defense we aren't even close to Detroit last week.

I know what forums are for and you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. You have your view of our defense and I have mine.

I love this defense, we are always playing from whistle to whistle and our players step up and make plays despite the injuries that have piled on the unit. Despite all of those injuries, we have players who still don't know their way around the stadium that come out and play good football and play with a level of passion I admire. Along the way they're allowing more yards and plays. They're also keeping up and making plays of their own. With 75% of our projected starting Dline, and half of our secondary what would you expect?

My opinion is based off more than just some stats anyone can google. I look at the personnel out there and see how well 11 men are playing based off of their circumstances. I find it more impressive that guys getting called off the couch are out there doing a good job.

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Yep. You are entitled to your opinion and if you like this defense because they create turnovers and because they play hard from whistle to whistle then I understand your stance.

They are banged up up front and those guys off the couch do play hard, I'll give them that. They don't get much pressure on a consistent basis but that is to be expected.

Injuries are part of the game that every team has to deal with though, and it shouldn't be an acceptable reason to allow offenses to go up and down the field with ease.

I'll stick to my opinion because it's pretty much true. Without a turnover, this team can't stop anybody. That's not whining, it's reality. A win is a win and I'm impressed with how the team went down the field and won the game at the end. That still doesn't mean that fans aren't frustrated with how teams go up and down the field on this defense, among other things.

The only game that I was really impressed with the defense was the Philly game. That was awesome. Other than that. It would be hard pressed to throw the ball better in a 7 on 7 practice drill than against this defense.

 

[cowboys1981]

Yep. You are entitled to your opinion and if you like this defense because they create turnovers and because they play hard from whistle to whistle then I understand your stance.

They are banged up up front and those guys off the couch do play hard, I'll give them that. They don't get much pressure on a consistent basis but that is to be expected.

Injuries are part of the game that every team has to deal with though, and it shouldn't be an acceptable reason to allow offenses to go up and down the field with ease.

I'll stick to my opinion because it's pretty much true. Without a turnover, this team can't stop anybody. That's not whining, it's reality. A win is a win and I'm impressed with how the team went down the field and won the game at the end. That still doesn't mean that fans aren't frustrated with how teams go up and down the field on this defense, among other things.

The only game that I was really impressed with the defense was the Philly game. That was awesome. Other than that. It would be hard pressed to throw the ball better in a 7 on 7 practice drill than against this defense.

That's my point. We are creating more TO's with couh potatoes this year than we have in years past. I know we're allowing plenty of yardage, but we're also making more plays on defense with players who just called in. That's my underlining point when I say they're doing a good job overall. We're maximizing these players abilities and that says alot.

 

[vicjagger]

Just imagine how awesome this defense would be if we had Matt Johnson!!

 

[Hoov]

One of the worst offenses posts 395 yards, 22 first downs...and you say "good grade" for our defense? I sure wish I could designate you as homework grader for all my work!

LOL. That was funny.

In grading the defense i'll say this - The defense scored 7 points and made stops when it needed to. The offense should have done much more at home against their defense. We know the defense is a patchwork of players right now so given that information i think they did as well as was expected of them. The offense underperformed for most of the game IMO.

 

[links18]

Isn't 5-4 pretty much the definition of "shaky"?

 

[morasp]

We're 19th in total points given up per game and 17th in lowest point average given up per game.. Definitely nothing to hang our hats on.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPoints/position/defense

According the NFL.com we're 15th in points allowed at 23.2 per game. I don't think the touchdown our defense scored gets figured into that either.

 

[Doomsday101]

horrible defensive play.

I can't believe that Christian ponder was able to move the Vikings offense on our defense with such ease, which shouldn't give any of us a good feeling going into next week against the Saints. Yeah we move to 5-4 and remain alone in 1st place but it doesn't change the fact that this defense is awful. A 1-6 team should not have come into our house and ran and passed the ball the way they did all day. That's just lets you know what's in store for this defense the rest of the season. This is a win that does not feel good because the defense is getting worst each week and I don't know how any realistic fan can look ahead with optimism.


But like I said we are a shaky 5-4 and hope to see the defense play better at some point

I think D is doing what they can with what they have. Right now we do not have a starter on the DL except for Hatcher who missed the 4th qrt. We do not get the pressure we need to get. Having said that these no name guys do not quit they play hard and are able to make big plays but down to down they are not consistent but I think if you took that many no names and stuck them on any team they would struggle.