Thoughts on the game

[DBoys]

Guess you didn't read my last post?


Anyone with any solid amount of football knowledge can see that Hoyte is a solid blocker, but he isn't as good as Martin was. He's A LOT more versatile though.


Seriously, the guy is just learning the position. He may end up a great blocker, but he's not there yet.


But we won and the feely good posts are flyin' so let's call Hoyte the next Moose and be done with it.

Martin was one dimensional Hoyte is not. Hoyte can move in all directions. In my mind that equates to a better player. I have seen more promise in a few games with Hoyte than I EVER saw with Martin. His limitations is why we cut him and factored in to the Jets cutting him as well.

You can say anything you want but it won't change the fact that I disagree with you. As a matter of fact to compare Martin to hoyte is absurd in my opinion. Martin couldn't move people he would just stun them. hoyte has a lot more skill with his hands from playing LB. Hoyte moves people back.

 

[Wolfpack]

1) Romo puts a smile on my face. He made some huge plays escaping and avoiding the rush. Yep, great stuff here.

2) The OL played really well.
Eh, not really. Never really got a running gaming going, which is gonna be a realy big issue next week.
3) Oliver Hoyte is the best blocker I have seen on the Cowboys since Moose.
Maybe I missed them but I only saw him make a few blocks, mostly on the edge. Seemed to be somewhat of a mess inside for most of the game.
4) Crayton played really well but the guy better stop one arming when he gets into a pile. Put two arms on the damn ball.
Agree
5) Hurd is for real and made an unbelievable catch behind him and was robbed on the TD. Where is K-Mart now ?
Hurd looked good.
6) I was proud of TO today. He started slow with some mistakes but stepped up to redeem himself. He also did not celebrate after the TD.
Yep, agree.
7) TNew continues to play lights out.
Did they even throw at him ?
8) Henry is the absolute BIGGEST weakness on our defense. I hope BP replaces him and puts AG or JR on Wayne. I hope Burnett plays alot against the Colts specifically on their TE.
Henry is a good corner. He is picked on because Newman is the other corner . He doesnt have the speed Newman does but he is a tough guy and plays well, especially with a safety over him. His game is physical so he will draw the calls.
9) I want Watkins in the game full time because Keith is not very good in space.
Maybe a little of each untill 25 gets his sealegs. He got targeted so bad early that just starting Davis seems to help. I agree that his is better however.
10) Another great game from Witten and he needs to teach Crayton how to cover up the damn ball.

Good post !

 

[Rack]

Martin was one dimensional Hoyte is not. Hoyte can move in all directions. In my mind that equates to a better player.

I agree. No doubt about that. Doesn't mean he was a better blocker though. He's a better PLAYER, no doubt. But Martin was an exceptional blocker. He just couldn't run, catch, or play special teams.


You seem to think I'm disappointed in Hoyte or something, or wish we still had Martin. I'm not. I like Hoyte. I prefer Hoyte. He's a better player. Read my posts more carefully, all I've said is Martin was a better BLOCKER. Nothing else.

As an overall player? It's not even close. Hoyte is better.

 

[Paniolo22]

Martin was one dimensional Hoyte is not. Hoyte can move in all directions. In my mind that equates to a better player. I have seen more promise in a few games with Hoyte than I EVER saw with Martin. His limitations is why we cut him and factored in to the Jets cutting him as well.

You can say anything you want but it won't change the fact that I disagree with you. As a matter of fact to compare Martin to hoyte is absurd in my opinion. Martin couldn't move people he would just stun them. hoyte has a lot more skill with his hands from playing LB. Hoyte moves people back.

I personally don't think we got to see enough of Martin. What we did see was him clear holes with authority. I was disappointed when he got cut, but blocking alone will only get you so far in the NFL.

 

[DBoys]

I agree. No doubt about that. Doesn't mean he was a better blocker though. He's a better PLAYER, no doubt. But Martin was an exceptional blocker. He just couldn't run, catch, or play special teams.

HAHAHAHAHA ok man I yield

 

[AdamJT13]

we have absolutely no pass rush to speak of...we might be the worst pass rushing team in football, bar none

Plenty of teams have a worse pass-rush than we do.

 

[lurkercowboy]

I was honestly not too impressed by Jamar Martin in his time as a Cowboy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I was honestly not too impressed by Jamar Martin in his time as a Cowboy.

Me either. He is gone for a reason.

 

[justbob]

Ok --I am reading all the posts with total envy ---this is my first time on line in several days and I also did not get to see all the great things you
guys are talking about---because I have not had TV for several days --
Please if anyone can send me a copy of the game --send me an e-mail

 

[Natedawg44]

I agree rack he was a better blocker but not near the player that Hoyte is. At fullback it doesn't matter how good a blocker you are if you can't move into position to get there. Hoyte can do that. Martin couldn't. Honestly I think Martin would have been better off bulking up and trying to play guard. Him playing deep in the backfield just exacerbated how little he could move laterally

 

[dbair1967]

Plenty of teams have a worse pass-rush than we do.

I dont watch every single game every week, but I do watch alot of games around the league...and of the teams I see we have by far the worst pass rush

forget the sacks, we rarely knock down or even BOTHER another teams QB, and our blitz designs have to be the worst in the NFL and have been for years

IMO our pass rush is even sorrier than the last years lousy pass rush was

take out the 1st Commander game (which was obviously a fluke) and we have 13 sacks now in 8 games...thats pathetic with the talent we have

David

 

[Aikbach]

Watch the game again and tell me which side of the field the passes were completed on!

Henry got owned.

Getting owned is giving up points which he did not.

 

[DBoys]

I not a fan of spinning definitions of what it means to be owned. Henry was getting beat left and right. going from memory I can recall about 5 first downs Henry gave up to keep drives going. That 10 points is on Henry as far as I am concerned.

 

[Aikbach]

I not a fan of spinning definitions of what it means to be owned. Henry was getting beat left and right. going from memory I can recall about 5 first downs Henry gave up to keep drives going. That 10 points is on Henry as far as I am concerned.

Damn him.

 

[DBoys]

Damn him.

You can say I am stretching things all you want but the simple fact is when he goes against a good WR he gets beat. Lloyd made him look silly the week before.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Anyone with any solid amount of football knowledge can see that Hoyte is a solid blocker, but he isn't as good as Martin was. He's A LOT more versatile though.

Thanks Rack. I mean really, you played small college football and thus your 'solid' football knowledge just makes us saying anything invalid.

I mean really to have an OPINION on who is the better blocker that is any differrent than yours is just stupid as it is with most everything.

I mean I can look at Hoyte moving linebackers out of the hole consistently and remember Martin not doing the same for Emmitt or Martin pretty much ever but I have you to point out that what I see is flawed in the awe inspiring well of knowledge that you represent.

 

[DBoys]

Thanks Rack. I mean really, you played small college football and thus your 'solid' football knowledge just makes us saying anything invalid.

I mean really to have an OPINION on who is the better blocker that is any differrent than yours is just stupid as it is with most everything.

I mean I can look at Hoyte moving linebackers out of the hole consistently and remember Martin not doing the same for Emmitt or Martin pretty much ever but I have you to point out that what I see is flawed in the awe inspiring well of knowledge that you represent.

You can't argue with him though. I totally lost contact with his reasoning after he said Hoyte was a better player but Martin was a better blocker . I don't remember Martin being good at blocking either. I compared Hoyte to Moose not Martin.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can't argue with him though. I totally lost contact with his reasoning after he said Hoyte was a better player but Martin was a better blocker . I don't remember Martin being good at blocking either. I compared Hoyte to Moose not Martin.

Its just Rack he thinks because he played in division I aa that his armchair observations are superior to any others. Hell argue about position terminology based on his college day experience. I mean obviously because podunk state called this a ROLB then every pro team must too.

Pick any thread that Rack starts and its the same thing every time.

Weve both seen Hoyte consistently make blocks that Martin wasnt. We both know this whole versatility argument makes little sense considering we NEVER have thrown to Hoyte and all he does is block. But were wrong because Rack played div 1 aa several years ago and he says so.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Um, forgetting the Martin v. Hoyte debate this thread has turned into (I agree w/ Rack, BTW), good point on Fowler. He's playing great this year in the roles Parcells has given him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Um, forgetting the Martin v. Hoyte debate this thread has turned into (I agree w/ Rack, BTW), good point on Fowler. He's playing great this year in the roles Parcells has given him.

Exactly what did Martin do in profootball that merits saying hes a better blocker?

I remember quite a few times where Martin completely failed to move a linebacker out of the hole and Smith would get tagged whereas Hoyte actually produced on the field.

Martin was and still remains a bunch of hype and no production.