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I wanted Tiger to win, but I kinda feel bad for Rocco. At 45 years of age, this may have been his last (best) chance to win a major. And as the father of three sons, this would have capped the perfect Father's Day weekend. Oh well.
 

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Tiger puts away Mediate on 91st hole to win U.S. Open

SAN DIEGO -- With a throbbing knee and a pounding heart, Tiger Woods made one last improbable escape Monday and won the U.S. Open in a 19-hole playoff over Rocco Mediate, his 14th career major and maybe the most amazing of them all.

One shot behind after a collapse no one saw coming, Woods birdied the 18th hole to force sudden death at Torrey Pines against a journeyman with a creaky back who simply wouldn't go away.

But that one extra hole was enough to doom Mediate, trying to become the oldest U.S. Open champion at 45 years, 6 months.

He put his tee shot in the bunker at No. 7, knocked his approach off a cart path and against the bleachers, chipped some 18 feet past the hole and missed the par putt.

On the verge of one of golf's greatest upsets, Mediate instead became another victim.

"Great fight," Woods told him as they embraced on the seventh green.

Woods, who delivered so many spectacular moments over four days along the Pacific bluffs, only needed a two-putt par to win the U.S. Open for the third time, and the first since it last was held on a public course at Bethpage Black in 2002.

It capped a remarkable week for the world's No. 1 player, who had not played since April 15 surgery on his left knee and looked as though every step was a burden. But the knee held up for 91 holes, and the payoff was worth the pain, even if doctors had warned him that he risked further injury by playing the Open.

"I'm glad I'm done," Woods said. "I really don't feel like playing anymore. It's sore."

Woods joins Jack Nicklaus as the only players to capture the career Grand Slam three times over.

Mediate's odyssey began two weeks ago when he had to survive a sudden-death playoff simply to qualify for this U.S. Open. Even more unlikely was going toe-to-toe with Woods -- whom Mediate referred to as a "monster" -- and nearly slaying him.

He had a 20-foot birdie putt on the 18th hole to win, but it slid by on the left.

Mediate struggled to keep his emotions after taking bogey on the first extra hole, but he walked off Torrey Pines with 12,000 new friends who crammed both sides of every fairway for a playoff that was tighter than anyone imagined.

"Obviously, I would have loved to win," he said. "I don't know what else to say. They wanted a show, they got one."

Did they ever.

From the opening tee shot Thursday in a light fog known as "June Gloom," this U.S. Open simply shined.

"This is probably the greatest tournament I've ever had," Woods said.

It was filled with some of his greatest moments -- a 30 on the back nine Friday to get into the mix, two eagles from a combined 100 feet and a chip-in birdie on Saturday to take the lead, and one of the biggest putts of his career when he holed a 12-foot birdie with the final stroke of regulation to force the playoff.

Then came a playoff in which he built a three-shot lead with eight holes to play, only to find himself trailing four holes later.

Next up for Woods? Even he isn't sure after hobbling around on a knee that clearly hasn't healed.

"I'm going to shut it down for a while," Woods said. He answered "maybe" when asked if he thought he made it worse by playing the Open, and he said he didn't know if he would play the British Open at Royal Birkdale next month.

He nearly shut down too early. Woods seized control when Mediate bogeyed consecutive holes around the turn, but Woods bogeyed the next two from the bunker and Mediate tied him by nearly driving the 267-yard 14th hole and chipping to a foot for birdie. Then the playoff took yet another surprising turn on the 15th.

Woods hit his tee shot so far to the right that it landed in a fairway bunker along the adjoining ninth fairway. But he carved a sand shot around the trees to 12 feet, one of those defining shots that turns a tournament in his favor.

But that didn't happen.

Mediate dropped in a 25-foot birdie putt, while Woods missed and spent the next three holes in a desperate chase to make up ground. Woods finally caught him on the last hole, reaching the green in two and two-putting from 45 feet.

"I never quit. I never quit," Mediate said. "I've been beaten down a few times and came back, and I got what I wanted. I got a chance to beat the best player in the world. And I came up just a touch short."

Woods moved within four of the record 18 professional majors that Nicklaus won. And it was the second time he has won a PGA Tour event and a U.S. Open on the same course -- Pebble Beach (2000) and Torrey Pines.

He won the Buick Invitational by a tournament-record eight shots in January, but that was before he had surgery to clean out cartilage in his left knee, before he wasn't sure if pain would shoot down his leg with every swing.

Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of this victory? Woods had four three-putts and four double bogeys, and he still won.

It was his 65th career victory, passing Ben Hogan for third all-time, raised his playoff record to 15-2 and made it 14-of-14 in majors when he had at least a share of the lead going into the final round.

He now has won every major in a playoff except for the British Open.

Just like the last U.S. Open playoff seven years ago, both players arrived wearing the same outfit -- khaki trousers and a white shirt at Southern Hills, black slacks and a red shirt with a black vest at Torrey Pines.

That's typical for Woods, and when he saw Mediate, Woods removed his vest.

It felt like a prize fight the way both players marched through a wall of fans and onto the first tee, posing before the silver U.S. Open trophy. And it finished that way, too.

"With everybody in the world all looking in, and everyone expecting me to get my [behind] handed to me, and I didn't," Mediate said. "And I almost got it done. I almost got it done."

Woods raised his arms like a heavyweight champion walking off the first tee, but only because he found the fairway for the first time all week. Mediate flipped his club to the front of the tee box when he came within inches of an ace on the par-3 third.

Back and forth they went, Woods building an early lead with consecutive birdies, Mediate refusing to go away. But when Mediate three-putted from 15 feet for bogey on the ninth, and Woods holed a 20-foot par putt from the fringe on the next hole to go three shots ahead, it looked as though this playoff would turn into another snoozer.

Then it was Woods who faltered, and Mediate caught a second wind. It set up a fabulous finish, just like everything else this week on the public course in the tony hamlet of La Jolla that translates to "The Jewel."

"It was just unreal," Woods said. "It was back and forth, back and forth. And 90 holes wasn't enough."
 

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ajk23az;2119376 said:
You can take this either way. By saying there is "more depth" of competition means the guys Woods is playing against aren't consistent. There's always going to be someone coming in 2nd place. The 3rd ranked golfer in the world, Scott, has only won 7 times in his career of 8 years. Not very good for #3 in the world, and Scott has played in A LOT of tournaments.
IMO, better competition means that the same guys are in the top 10 consistently.
No, more depth doesn't mean lack of consistency. More depth means on any given week there are more guys who can play lights out and challenge for a Top 10 finish. There's no denying that. There just weren't as many world-class golfers back in those days.

It's like the old greatest baseball player ever argument. Was Babe Ruth the greatest ever? It's arguable. And the main reason it's arguable is because he gets knocked because the league was not integrated when he played. It's all relative to your competition. When there are more world-class players, it becomes harder to finish in the Top 10 week in and week out.

:confused: . Lack of good competition? The guys I previously mentioned are pretty much all in the hall of fame. there was no "lack of competition" during Jack's days IMO.
First of all, Ben Hogan was not one of Jack's contemporaries. Hogan was 28 years older than Jack.

In the context of my comment, lack of competition is relative to the depth of the PGA at that time.

And while you may have had some great players around the same time as Jack, again, you just don't have the numbers of guys who could have won on any given week. When you have only a handful of guys who are going to threaten to win, and add into that the many variables as there are in golf, your odds of winning go up.

It is a grind to go out and compete each and every week, which is why you see Tiger take many weeks off during the season. So if any of those handful of guys you mentioned had an injury or took a week off here and there, then there are even less guys challenging Jack.
 

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bbgun;2119485 said:
I wanted Tiger to win, but I kinda feel bad for Rocco. At 45 years of age, this may have been his last (best) chance to win a major. And as the father of three sons, this would have capped the perfect Father's Day weekend. Oh well.

One of the AP stories reported that he has made $14 million over the course of his PGA career, which is not too shabby. I typically root for the underdogs, but by any stretch he had a heck of a career, making six or seven times more than the average Joe, or even the average NFLer.
 

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peplaw06;2119542 said:
No, more depth doesn't mean lack of consistency. More depth means on any given week there are more guys who can play lights out and challenge for a Top 10 finish. There's no denying that. There just weren't as many world-class golfers back in those days.

It's like the old greatest baseball player ever argument. Was Babe Ruth the greatest ever? It's arguable. And the main reason it's arguable is because he gets knocked because the league was not integrated when he played. It's all relative to your competition. When there are more world-class players, it becomes harder to finish in the Top 10 week in and week out.

First of all, Ben Hogan was not one of Jack's contemporaries. Hogan was 28 years older than Jack.

In the context of my comment, lack of competition is relative to the depth of the PGA at that time.

And while you may have had some great players around the same time as Jack, again, you just don't have the numbers of guys who could have won on any given week. When you have only a handful of guys who are going to threaten to win, and add into that the many variables as there are in golf, your odds of winning go up.

It is a grind to go out and compete each and every week, which is why you see Tiger take many weeks off during the season. So if any of those handful of guys you mentioned had an injury or took a week off here and there, then there are even less guys challenging Jack.

Sorry, but Nicklaus did play against Hogan at the beginning of his career.

You say any other player can win it any given week? These guys have one good week, and then disappear for years..ben curtis...rich beem..angel cabrera (hasnt got close to winning since his US open)..one hit wonders is not "depth".

if you are arguing Jack's competition was lighter than Tiger's is right now, you will have a hard time proving it when you can call out 7-8 hall of famers in Jack's era.

Els---hasnt been the same for 2 years since his surgery
Phil---the best competition tiger has
Vijay---gone WAY downhill since his one year of dominance, cant putt.

What other players in Tiger's era have a chance to make the HOF?
 

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Hostile;2119402 said:
These are the records Tiger is aiming at.

  • 18 Majors by Jack Nicklaus. Tiger has 14 and is 2nd all time.
  • 82 Tour wins by Sam Snead. Tiger has 65 and is 3rd all time. Nicklaus has 73.
  • 6 Masters by Jack Nicklaus. Tiger has 4 and is tied with Arnold Palmer as 2nd all time.
  • 4 US Opens by Willie Anderson, Ben Hogan, Bobby Jones, and Jack Nicklaus. Tiger has 3 along with Hale Irwin.
  • 6 British Opens by Harry Vardon. Tiger has 3. The Modern record is Tom Watson's 5.
  • 5 PGA Championships by Walter Hagan & Jack Nicklaus. Tiger has 4.
Those are the 6 records I think he covets and will achieve. He's still very young in comparison to most golf careers and when he is on, no one is even close.

While he is young, he has already had 3 knee surgeries on the same leg. This could catch up to him.
 

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True but the surgery tech of today is so good it might not be anywhere as bad as thought

Hogan was pretty much done by the time Nicklaus played him. Basically for the first 10 years Nicklaus only had Palmer and Player as real challengers. That is not DEPTH like there is in todays game. The Europeans are much more present and deep and contending then they were during Nicklaus's time.
Overall while I think there were individuals that were better- Watson, Palmer, Player, Trevino were probably better then all but one or two of todays players, the level below them was much lower then todays group.
 

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It's like being a hEavyWeight boxer - the greats need to beat some greats. Tiger really never has had that. Yes he is dominant and up there with Jack. But he clearly played against inferior golfers past 10 years versus Jack in his career.
 

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burmafrd;2119686 said:
True but the surgery tech of today is so good it might not be anywhere as bad as thought

Hogan was pretty much done by the time Nicklaus played him. Basically for the first 10 years Nicklaus only had Palmer and Player as real challengers. That is not DEPTH like there is in todays game. The Europeans are much more present and deep and contending then they were during Nicklaus's time.
Overall while I think there were individuals that were better- Watson, Palmer, Player, Trevino were probably better then all but one or two of todays players, the level below them was much lower then todays group.

In my early 40's I am still a 8 handicap - I have and still do hit 300 yard drives. Its all in the torque. Most amatuers try and arm the drive with upper body strength. True power is in the legs, hips and SHOULDER turn. You have a bad knee - that will go South for Tiger someday - but thats his game.
 

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ELDudearino;2119737 said:
Who has the least strokes in a series record?

With equipment, course changes - thats not a great baromoter anymore
 

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ELDudearino;2119737 said:
Who has the least strokes in a series record?
What do you mean by series?

A tournament? Or a particular tournament? A Major? I can at least answer the Majors.

  • Tiger has the Masters record with a 270, 18 under par.
  • 4 people have the US Open record with a 272. Jack and Tiger among them. Tiger has the record for 12 under par.
  • Greg Norman has the record for the best British Open score of 269. Tiger has the record for 19 under par.
  • David Toms has the record for all Majors with a 265 at the PGA Championship. Tiger and Bob May hold the record for 18 under par.
 

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That was far and away the most compelling 4 days of golf I've ever watched.

I spent who knows how many hours with my butt planted on the back porch couch at the lake, soaking in every minute I could stand.

Yesterday was riveting, and Rocco Mediate has earned a top-5 spot on my "most respected athletes" list.

FWIW, Tiger's little girl is a Q-T!!
 

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ajk23az;2119633 said:
Sorry, but Nicklaus did play against Hogan at the beginning of his career.
That's like saying Tiger's records were more impressive because he played against Jack in the Masters a couple of times. It's ridiculous. Hogan didn't win a PGA tournament after 1959. Jack started on the PGA tour in 1961.

You say any other player can win it any given week? These guys have one good week, and then disappear for years..ben curtis...rich beem..angel cabrera (hasnt got close to winning since his US open)..one hit wonders is not "depth".
It's pretty hard to evaluate something like this when these guys are still playing. There are plenty of young major winners who have promising futures, as well as young guys who haven't won majors who have won a number of tournaments.

Just as I'm sure you can find "one hit wonders" from Jack's era. One of my old bosses was a one hit wonder, Charles Coody. Won the Masters in '71, and never won another major.

if you are arguing Jack's competition was lighter than Tiger's is right now, you will have a hard time proving it when you can call out 7-8 hall of famers in Jack's era.

Els---hasnt been the same for 2 years since his surgery
Phil---the best competition tiger has
Vijay---gone WAY downhill since his one year of dominance, cant putt.

What other players in Tiger's era have a chance to make the HOF?

If I'm defining "era" as loosely as you are, then add Greg Norman, Nick Price, Davis Love III, Nick Faldo...

And that's not considering the fact that his era isn't over yet. Some of these young guys who have won majors, could win some more, and some of the young guys who haven't, but are great players, could win some to put themselves on the list.

Trevor Immelman, Zach Johnson, Paddy Harrington, Geoff Ogilvy, Retief Goosen and guys like Sergio, Adam Scott, etc.
 

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If a guy is really good for a year or two that is still tough competition.
And there are a lot more then there were 20 years ago.
 

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burmafrd;2121049 said:
If a guy is really good for a year or two that is still tough competition.
And there are a lot more then there were 20 years ago.

20 years ago was 1988

Jacks era was 1960- 1985
 
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