Time to get realistic about what the Cowboys may do if FA!

[MichaelWinicki]

odds and percentages. flo went out. rivera hurt most of the year. your injury probability goes up and if you "count" on them your success % goes down.

it's a longer shot to go this route than to plan for the long haul.

Exactly.

That's why vitually no team goes this route.

 

[iceberg]

Exactly.

That's why vitually no team goes this route.

this is the biggest reason why i get so critical of parcells moves that do nothing for the future. it's why i feel he doesn't WANT to let a young qb have some chances cause if he "had" to play them that's direct opposite of "win now".

part of me thinks this is why we've got (2) ?'s at qb - no one to challenge HIS choice. the media did it and he slapped down drew just to make him NOT a media darling it seems. we'll see.

 

[Cbz40]

I'm feeling ill all of a sudden.

It must be the start of an epidemic.....I'm feeling ill as well.

With all thos 30+ OL.......any injuries and I will start having nightmares of seeing the "02" OL once again.

 

[sago1]

Do think first 3 are legit targets of the Cowboys but am concerned about their age. We young on defense but addition of these 3 makes offense even older. So if healthy, I'll go along with Fabini as immediate upgrade at RT but only if Cowboys also draft OT or OG in first 2 rounds. Same goes for Sowell but won't waste pick on FB. Jets said when they cut him that Mawae couldn't pass his physical, but if contract allows escape clause if he cannot play, then this also immediate upgrade who hopefully can produce at high level for a 2-3 years but again, would like draft guy like Mangold who scouts say is immediate NFL starter (but is he a finesse player or roadgrinder?).

I doubt we sign Vanderjgt cause he would probably drive Parcells crazy but Longwell (if he good kickoff guy) or Matt Bryant sounds about right to me. If Vineteria shows interest in Cowboys, we might go after him. Pats offered him $2M a year in multiyear contract but there no signing bonus/guaranteed money included so he turned them down. If Jones could spend $1.4M for LS, don't see why $2M & signing bonus for Vinteria is out of line as part of 3-4 year deal.

Doubt we go after McGinnest unless he agreeable/prefers to sign 1 year deal & possible renegotiate contract in 07. Sames goes for Milloy & don't know enough about Coleman at this stage in his career to determine if he would be quality/cheap addition like Aaron Glenn.

Don't think we interested in TO cause there's no control over him once he is signed and plays in season opener. If something goes wrong in season, he could explode and destroy this team.

 

[iceberg]

It must be the start of an epidemic.....I'm feeling ill as well.

With all thos 30+ OL.......any injuries and I will start having nightmares of seeing the "02" OL once again.

look at the "success" of the older OL just last year alone. would ANYONE do the rivera deal again? well, other than BP?

 

[Cbz40]

odds and percentages. flo went out. rivera hurt most of the year. your injury probability goes up and if you "count" on them your success % goes down.

it's a longer shot to go this route than to plan for the long haul.

I bow to you old wise one.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

People keep saying lets do realistic FA's predictions and Bentley is a FA and so for some team he is very realistic. Why not us?

 

[iceberg]

People keep saying lets do realistic FA's predictions and Bentley is a FA and so for some team he is very realistic. Why not us?

risk of overpaying. the # of teams wanting to sign him will drive the price WAY up. i agree though, pay it. he's young, proven, will likely do something extraordinary and finish the contract he signs...

you can sign a fabini and another 2nd teir OL and call it 'fixed' or you can sign 1 bentley and go that route.

we've got enough "lunch pail" guys - let's get the stud and be done with it.

 

[Bizwah]

People keep saying lets do realistic FA's predictions and Bentley is a FA and so for some team he is very realistic. Why not us?

Jones has hinted that he won't go on a crazy spending spree like last year. Most folks have said that he'll go for the moderately priced FAs.

Bentley will command huge bucks.....plus, it appears Philly already has the inside track.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Thats the whole point of the post. I was trying to be realistic and we all know Parcell's MO is to go after his former players. Well there are alot of those guys out there this year at positions of need for the team and I believe thats who the team will go after instead of all these high priced big named guys.

Yep, I agree. BP likes BP guys and there are several of them at positions of need this offseason, none of whom will break the bank. We'll be able to make a run at all of them, grab most of them, and still have excess cash left over.

Our OL is going to be old, old, old.

 

[iceberg]

Yep, I agree. BP likes BP guys and there are several of them at positions of need this offseason, none of whom will break the bank. We'll be able to make a run at all of them, grab most of them, and still have excess cash left over.

Our OL is going to be old, old, old.

as our starting wr's and qb.

 

[Rockytop6]

Dwight Smith was only 26 and way better. He only signed for a $3.5 million signing bonus with the following salaries:

2005 900000.00
2006 1200000.00
2007 1600000.00
2008 2500000.00
2009 3500000.00


I certainly wouldn't pay Hope more than that (and I actually really like Hope).

I like Hope. He is solid but not spectacular. The bigger problem is that he grossly overvalues himself.

 

[Rockytop6]

i think parcells needs to put all this "blankies" down and realize players who have NOT played for him can still be good players. the vast majority of your picks are all former BP guys - just how far do we take that?

I would feel good about Fabini, Sowell, Coleman and Longwell. Mawee and McGinest have possibilities but the age, health and contract would be the determining factors.

I don't think Parcells should pass up a better deal to sign somebody because they have played for him. On the other hand, I would not want to discredit somebody just because they have played for him if they are the better players at the better price.

 

[AbeBeta]

Do you all really think Fabini is the guy automatically?

As I understand it, he was cut. That means he was free to talk with teams and even sign a contract before free agency started. If Bill was so in love wiht the guy why wouldn't we have snatched him already?

Me. I think we may end up with Fabini but are going to look at some other guys first. Ashworth is the one who I think is our first choice target. He's 28 and would not be hugely expensive

 

[junk]

I like Hope. He is solid but not spectacular. The bigger problem is that he grossly overvalues himself.

I haven't seen any quotes on his contract expectations. What is he looking to get?

 

[boysfanindc]

I have less of a problem bringing in OL in his early 30's then a OLB who will be 35 this year. OL if not pulling don't have to play in space, but bringing in Willie who will be a 35 year old OLB I think would be a bad move.

Somone will give him a multi year deal I just hope it is not us.

 

[Nors]

Free agency tomorrow:

Fabini - OT
Kemateau - NT
Vinateri - PK

 

[Redball Express]

Exactly.

That's why vitually no team goes this route.

Just reminds me of all the zinging we do with the Commanders about them scavenging for instant success.

Only we've taken it up a notch and not only do they have to be vets that have to be paid big bucks but they also have to be BP guys of some sort.

I'd like to see us draft youth at WR, FS, OT and C/G with our draft picks and if we need more on defense, it can come in later rounds or reasonable vet help in FA.

I'd prefer us to also find a vet QB to backup Bledsoe incase of injury, too. And decide once and for all whether it's Romo or Henson that is our next QB or even let them both go and draft a young QB that has none of their bagagge.

That makes total sense to me. We can't just keep standing pat at the QB position with Bledsoe there and nobody of NFL caliber behind him and nobody of NFL caliber on the roster that will eventually compete for a #1 QB job.

While I think it's understood that Parcells is in it for the short-term now, it's irresponsible to ignore the future of the team once he's gone now. As was done to the defense last year in drafting youth in the DL and Lbers for longterm..

..it's now the offenses' turn for a similar youth facelift that would help immediately and down the road.

That's not to say that bringing in an OT and a TE or FB from FA at reasonable numbers wouldn't be fine to help this year and maybe next..

..somebodies to upgrade the guys like Potite and Tucker and Pettiti and move them back to backup or off the roster completely.

But no more Fergusion/Rivera deals with FA's that are on the backside of their careers.

At some point, hopefully starting now, I really expect the coaching to carry this team further than it has. To me, coaching should be worth at least 2-3 games a year in the win column.

So far, BP and his staff haven't made that difference yet.

The ideal situation is not to get caught any deeper in pursuing expensive FA's. But to get reasonable players to fill needs, draft youth for impact and the future and coach like heck to get more out of them than expected.

Frankly, none of us can honestly say BP has excelled yet at the coaching part...and especially at the playcalling part, which again, he's doing himself.

So I say we need to expect less out of FA to cure our problems and look more closely at what we are paying BP $5 million a year for.

Superior coaching and results on the field.

After 3 years now, BP has had a solid chance at producing like he suggested he was going to. This year, I expect more from him and the team.

And more from guys we are going to basing our future on after BP is gone in 2 years. That's why I want more youth and less high priced vets.

Part of coaching in the NFL is to build a team for the future..not to be a used player advocate and whistle-stop for past Jet/NE/Jints players and coaches.

And I don't want us to become guilty of exactly what we accuse the Commanders of doing. Trying to buy championships and instead blowing to pieces our futures.

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