Time to learn some truth about the front office

[cern]

biggest problem has been poor coaching. perennial playoff contenders have good hc's. seahawks, pats, steelers, saints, ravens, and most recently the 49ers and rams. cleveland seems have gotten it together. flynn looking good in green bay. colts and titans getting better. all because of better hc's.

 

[Redline360]

Since 1995, only 3 nfc teams have not advanced to the nfc championship game -- the Lions, Washington, and the Cowboys.

25 years.
Jerry sucks as a GM.
Stephen sucks as VP, and as the CEO.
They have produced nothing.

Jerry has been riding on Jimmy's coattails for the last 25 years.

The advocates for the Jones family cannot see the forest for the trees.

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If it wasnt for Jimmy Jerry would very well be the worst owner / GM( now his useless son)in football

 

[CouchCoach]

biggest problem has been poor coaching. perennial playoff contenders have good hc's. seahawks, pats, steelers, saints, ravens, and most recently the 49ers and rams. cleveland seems have gotten it together. flynn looking good in green bay. colts and titans getting better. all because of better hc's.

The talent issue can't be denied as we're seeing in NE and SF. Was McVay a great HC on Sunday facing the winless Jets? Yet I consider him a very good HC.

It is such a mixed bag for any NFL team but health is the #1 concern and that caught up to NE, PHL, SF and DAL this season.

When I think of the the coaching part of this, I think about the end of one game, the playoff game between LAR and NO. All anyone talked about after that game was the no call that temporarily changed the rules. Except there were two people talking about how that game was handled by supposedly one of the better HC's in the game. Aikman was in shock at the play calling and it was as if Payton didn't realize the score or the time left. Sean Payton escaped one of the worst play calling sequences in NFL playoff history because of that one play.

I think one of the more interesting things the NFL could do is let us in on what's going on in those headphones. Coaches are by nature an emotional and excitable bunch and sometimes it looks as if chaos is ruling on the sideline and field, I would love to hear what's going on in those headsets. Couple that with the noise in the Superdome in that game and player movement all over the field getting in and out of the game and it was easy to see Payton screwing up. And that's exactly what he did. When Buck asked Aikman "why is he calling passes"? Aikman just said "I don't know" is a real perplexed delivery. What he should have said was "because he's Sean Payton".

 

[CouchCoach]

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If it wasnt for Jimmy Jerry would very well be the worst owner / GM( now his useless son)in football

If it wasn't for Jimmy, it is most likely Jones would have had to sell the team just as Bright did. He bought a team in the red and Jimmy turned it into the black.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

You must be that fly on the wall or that worm at the bottom of a bottle. Because you sure know the inner workings of this organization, better than any of us normal fans.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I have 0 issues with this front offices ability to find talent. I actually think they are way ahead of 80% of teams in terms of drafting. That's where my frustration comes in though. We have a ton of talent seemingly every year, but have nothing to show for it.

Why is it when it comes to things like coaching where Jerry can spend unlimited dollars we have to settle for Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Dave Campo, Chan Gailey, etc. I wont lump Mike McCarthy into the group of failed coaches we have had just yet, but this is the Dallas Cowboys. We should be able to have the cream of the crop when it comes to a coaching staff.

 

[calicowboy54]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

this is a good evaluation. i think the main thing i’m seeing here is our FO is capable of finding football player talent. what they lack is finding capable coaching talent. switzer riding on jimmy coat tails. the gailey and campo failure. then parcels (got that right) let payton get away. wade, garrett and now big mac.

wade should have not been the coach. and then we know garrett was not ready.

what they need to do if mm fails is to bring in a bunch of people to consult on hiring the next coach.

 

[Kingofholland]

I get what your saying and agree with most of it, but a lot of their mistakes came down to coaching hires. Outside of Parcells and maybe McCarthy they've hired a bunch of yes men. Which has resulted in poor playoff results. There's no secret from the players who's nin charge of keeping them on the team. I hope McCarthy will bring different results.

Talent acquistion has been pretty good over the last decade and regardless what we think about some contracts handed out now, all are players any fan would want to have on the team at the time. Where you can fault the front office is giving into Zeke's demands 2 years earlier than they should have and being in a hurry to sign Jaylon to an extension to tout it as a team friendly deal. However, this isn't the same Jones family that wasted a ton of picks after Jimmy left.

 

[Brax]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

The simple answer is the FO sucks and are incompetent. Jerry is in total control and makes the final yes no decisions. The last 20 odd years of Jerrys GM decision making rates a D- and if you believe anything else it is a homers view. A FO of any major business would be fired 5 times over for the results produced the last 20 odd years. Lastly COOP was a perfect example of the FO failure no matter how you cut it. Your list is a great example of how bad Jerry and boys FO is .

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[NoLuv4Jerry]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

You do realize the front office is responsible for the coaches hired as well. Correct? The biggest mistake Jerry made was staying in bed with Jason Garrett WAY TOO LONG. First of all....he hired a coach in training during the prime of some future or almost future HOFers (Ware, Witten, Romo)....who does that? Then....stuck with him because he wanted to look smarter than EVERYONE else in the room.

So there has been enough talent on the field to have produced better results....but Jason Garrett was given more rope than any coach in the history of the NFL based on his results. Has there ever been a head coach in the NFL granted 10 years....but never played in a conference title game? Maybe Marvin Lewis?

 

[Ekspozed]

Cowboys put too much focus on elite players. The secret to success in the NFL is the accumation of small improvements across the entire roster. From a FO perspective, replacing JAGs with slighly better than JAGs. Replacing poor players with JAGs.

From a coaching perspective its getting the average players to perform a little above average and getting the poor players to be average.

We have good depth on offense. Our backup te has better stats then most starters. Our backup rb a lot of fans like better. Oline depth pretty good. Wr depth good. Our backup qb is good depth.

Its when you get to that defense where starters and depth alike are questionable.

Jerrys biggest problem is he has no direction or plan especially on defense.

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

Jerry, is that you...

 

[DallasEast]

No one knows exactly how much influence Jerry Jones has over final selection of players being added to the roster, whether through the draft or free agency. However, two facts must should always be acknowledged:

1. Jerry Jones is the general manager
2. Stephen Jones is the director of player personnel

Those two gentlemen are and have been the unchanging, ultimate decision-makers for roster and coaching infusion over the past three decades. Players and coaches bear responsibility for on-the-field performance and results. Yet, the organizational philosophy integrating players and coaches into a single goal for championship success falls on them, in particularly Jerry Jones.

Neither are yes men. Neither simply sign off on player or coaching evaluation from support staff and give their okay without reservation. They provide their input based upon their insights and then agree or disagree on players and coaches. That is their philosophy. And their particular philosophy became static a long time ago.

Sensible managerial self-consideration should have motivated Jerry and Stephen Jones to allow fresh perspective AT their own level long ago. Instead, they have adopted new perspective in piecemeal fashion from football knowledgeable individuals like Will McClay, a source of wisdom valued so much that his Vice-President of Player Personnel title remains omitted from the franchise's official front office website page.

True change begins with modified comprehensive approach to getting things done. Why real change has not occurred at the top of the franchise's food chain is a truth that should have been strongly questioned, every day, by those with access to Jones and his number one DNA kid.

 

[ICP]

Since 1995, only 3 nfc teams have not advanced to the nfc championship game -- the Lions, Washington, and the Cowboys.

25 years.
Jerry sucks as a GM.
Stephen sucks as VP, and as the CEO.
They have produced nothing.

Jerry has been riding on Jimmy's coattails for the last 25 years.

The advocates for the Jones family cannot see the forest for the trees.

This

 

[CyberB0b]

The biggest issue is lack of accountability. Jerry or Stephen can't be fired.

 

[MonsterD]

So the OP is saying we have drafted the best and had superior talent, but other teams that haven't done so well (a few) can consistently make the playoffs and win in post season. So what does that say? Plus you have teams that went from being average or worse to making playoffs and at least winning more than a couple of playoff games in the last 20 plus years. Gee I guess no one can be held accountable for that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

The FO is 100% trash. Results dont lie.

 

[Aviano90]

The problem is the owner is a players owner and GM with low expectations so there is very little accountability for underperforming. It’s why our super talented players need excuses for why they don’t play up to superstardom. As long as they are just good enough to not be “the problem” it’s good enough. And it’s why underperforming players are kept around far too long. The country club atmosphere needs to change.

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

I think drafting has been solid. It's the FA and trades that the FO have made that continues to hamper the team.

 

[fivetwos]

Where’s this evidence of him not wanting good coaches because of “having fun”? Other than a popular fan/radio myth. He’s a loyalist more than anything. Garrett’s were on the field payroll since the day he arrived in 89. That’s why he gave Jason every chance possible.

I dont think that's a radio myth but I'm not up for debating it.

I do agree that Jerry himself (throw the kid in there also) isnt necessarily the problem.

He just needs to realize how his actions and mouth undermine the staff and make their jobs that much more difficult.

True, there have been many, many good players come through here in the last 20 years.

There should have been much more on the field success than there has been.

They are entitled and never tough when need be. They are routinely out coached or under prepared in too many spots.

Bottom line is we have to suffer through second rate coaching that kisses up to Jerry and makes him comfortable.

The players not fearing or looking at the HC as the ultimate power is a recipe for disaster, and has been going on here since BP left.