Time to learn some truth about the front office

[Bobhaze]

I have never viewed a selection to the pro bowl as anything more than a consolation prize for not being good enough to make it to the super bowl. Tom Brady said it himself a few seasons ago - he doesn't go into a season with hopes of playing in the pro bowl, he plays for championships. Thats the same attitude that is needed with Dallas, and also with quite a few fans who put too much stock into pro bowl selections.

It was mentioned yesterday that Lee has been with Dallas for 11 seasons and that caught me by surprise. As many games as he has missed to injury it doesn't seem like he has been here anywhere close to that amount of time. At most it seems he has only played 3-4 seasons worth of games, not 11.

Sean Lee has missed a whopping 58 regular season games in 11 seasons due to injury. That’s the equivalent of missing 3 and a half seasons. But as @Reality said earlier, the most important ability a player has is availability.

Lee’s a great talent for sure as he was in college....except for the fact he was an injury problem at Penn State too. It’s why he was available in the 2nd round in 2010. Guys like Sean Lee should be drafted in rounds 3-7 because despite his talent, the injury factor is a killer to your team if you can’t count on him being there.

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry Jones has been the GM for this entire drought, so no we are not unique or new.

any like the OP shows many new players and coaches have come through, this isnt a GM issue even if you try and make it out to be.. way back during the campo gaily years those were mistakes but jerry built teams that could compete for SBs easily..some bad luck and execution's and some bad calls killed our hopes those years..get over it..im with the OP and that where ill stay!!

the last decade has been a lot different and also lie the OP pointed out Jerry is only the GM in name many FO people all are running this franchise

 

[Risen Star]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

 

[Reality]

i stand by my post, there would be much shorter list on which teams players that never get inured then your ridiculous example to shame the joneses..all GMS have issues with injuries' on rosters yearly.like i said would take hours listing all the nfl layers on IR or who have missed games on every team and use them to show how bad GM was. That not barometer of good or bad gm and your obvious hate for the jonses was evident in the statement..

Personally, I stand by facts, not opinions.

The only "example" I posted was pure factual information. The idea those facts offend you in some way is something you should analyze in yourself.

I did not say they were good or bad draft picks. I simply showed how injuries impacted the performance of those draft picks and stated that no matter how great a player is, if they are not on the field, it does not matter.

If Tom Brady suffered a career-ending injury in his first game and never played another down, was he a great draft pick? Were the Patriots a dynasty?

If Patrick Mahomes got injured in the first game last year and missed all of 2019, would the Chiefs have still won the Super Bowl?

My post was not about bashing or supporting the front office of the Cowboys .. it was simply stating facts. I am sorry those facts interfere or conflict with whatever opinions you are pushing.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Jerry seems to have gotten religion several years ago, and the organization has improved. There certainly had been too many years in the wilderness. But much of the goofiness has been set aside the last decade or so.

I think the OP makes some extremely good and valid points. Player acquisition generally has been quite good. The past offseason was a setback for vet FA. Need to rebound there.

Hung with Garrett too long. But in fairness, good organizations generally are slow to fire a coach. Garrett is a bright guy who didn't adapt to the changing league. He wanted to win with 90s power offense and the Tampa 2.

The Cowboys haven't been the luckiest organization. A dropped pass here, a fumble there... sometimes the breaks are the breaks. And while I do think the team has taken too many risks with players who didn't stay healthy in college, some of the injury issues have been bad luck. Nobody could have predicted the Frederick circumstance. Tyron Smith wasn't an injury red flag. Romo and Prescott suffered more or less freak injuries.

Winning is the bottom line. When you don't get it done, critics are harsh. It's a competitive world and a competitive sport.

I do think the Cowboys are closer now to putting it all together than they've been since Parcells' final season. Injuries wrecked 2020.

 

[Bobhaze]

One, "some other guy" didn't have the authority to sign Zeke's contract. It was approved by the Jones boys. Otherwise, it wouldn't happen.

Two, I couldn't care less about the number of Pro Bowlers. Part of it is fan voting, and the Cowboys haven't sniffed the "bowl" that matters in 25 years.

This.
I literally care zero about pro bowlers. It’s nice to have players good enough to make them but good players don’t necessarily make a good team. Pro bowlers don’t win playoff games. Good teams win playoff games. As we’ve seen for decades, having talent alone isn’t enough to win in the playoffs.

 

[Cmac]

 

[Mr_437]

FO is trash, for sure.

 

[kskboys]

Calculated risk. Kind of odd to take Jaylon, given the apparent sell out for the Romo window on the first pick. Instead of a strategic vision, looked like "one for my vision, one for yours".
Another risky pick at LB in 2018 with LVE.

But in 2018, it looked like it was going to work out. Plenty of talk about having the best LB duo in the league in the near future.

This year, not so much talk like that.

Cowboys Top Defensive Picks
2016 Jaylon 1st
2017 LVE 2nd
2018 Taco 1st
2019 Hill 2nd

Just brutal.

I don't think so. I don't think it was calculated. I think it was a GM who doesn't study tape and who doesn't understand how to build a contender because he's not interested in studying making a seat of his pants draft throw at a flashy player.

 

[gjkoeppen]

There’s been crazy and negative speculation on here as it regards the front office. Why do people here think:

1) Jerry is still the day to day GM?
2) The team has been bad at drafting?

Jerry is only involved in the big decisions. And even then it’s to give his stamp of approval. Stephen is the one actually making the day to day decisions and even then it’s guys like Will McClay for player scouting and others that do contracts doing most of the work. It wasn’t Stephen or Jerry that did Zekes contract. It was some other guy who I don’t recall his name.

As for drafting the Cowboys have been pretty good relative to the rest of the league. Yes thereve been misses but every team has them.

In the last 10 years the team has drafted:

Tyron
Frederick
Dez
Dak
Zach
DLaw
Byron
Zeke
CD
Diggs
Gallup
Pollard
LVE
Lee
Murray
Schultz
Dwayne Harris (still in the league 9 years later)
Crawford (still in league 8 years later)
Hitchens (starting for Chiefs)
Damien Wilson (starting for Chiefs)
Traded a 1 for Coop

Overall they’ve drafted 13 pro bowlers which is an average of 1.3 per draft and will probably be more in a few years with at least CD and Diggs.

If you’re going to average 1 pro bowler every draft and numerous starters that will play 8-9 years you’re doing your job. Find me how many pro bowlers over 10 years other teams have drafted. I’d imagine Dallas is in the top 10 in the league in that.

The player personnel has been pretty good. I’d say poor coaching on defense and bad luck is the reason the team hasn’t gotten to NFC title games the last 10 years. DeMarcos fumble in 2014 in GB and the 3rd down bomb from Rodgers in 2016.

Defensively the scheme has never complimented the offense and was a liability in the playoffs in 2018 and all season in 2019. This year it’s just all over the place between coaches and players.

If I had to grade the front office on player personnel, I’d say a B+ and that’s mainly due to handling of contracts not the talent they bring in. The biggest error they made was trying to use Jaylons one good season as leverage against Zeke in training camp in 2019. Shouldn’t have extended him. They also gave Marinelli way too much input in the draft. Cost them Taco and Trysten. But the Patriots miss with WRs in the 1st round all the time so mistakes happen everywhere. Their drafted WRs since like 2010 have 183 total catches in the league on a graphic Fox showed a few weeks ago.

Stop taking the easy road and saying the FO is trash. Because reality is their among the best in talent acquisition, probably below average on contracts and average in evaluating coaches. The rest of the league minus New England and Kansas City have all the same complaints about who wears their headset. Even Sean Payton went 7-9 3 straight years.

Five years ago Jerry made Stephen the CFO, Chief Financial Officer and he then took over negotiating the contracts. You might believe that both Jerry and Stephen would trust some no-name to negotiate what turned out to be the biggest contract for a RB in the history of the NFL but the rest if us don't. When you can come up with not just the name but some verifiable proof that someone other than Stephen negotiated that contract I will believe it.
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[kskboys]

Not w/ Jerry Jones it's not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MaineBoy]

Some good research there and I’ll take your word on all of it however to your point- luck should not be a reason for anything good or bad. Every team has good/bad luck and 25 years should be enough time to overcome “luck”. The front office doesn’t carry the ball, play defense or miss field goals...the players do. So if, as you point out, we have had a B+ draft over time then it’s not the players fault it’s coaching. Who is responsible for hiring coaches?
25 years of mediocrity.

You’re as delusional as the OP; This FO is trash - waste high draft picks on injured players who can’t stay on the field or suck (LVE, Lee, and Jaylon)...using a #4 pick on a frigging running back...handing out terrible contract extensions to players that don’t perform at an elite level...drafting terribly with picks like Taco while bypassing elite players...and those are just the things that came to me in the first 5 seconds...oh yah, and then there’s the FO office track record of winning nothing in the last 25 years...and counting...

 

[Redline360]

So pointing out facts without any opinions is "worst reply ever" in your opinion ..

I think that shows a lot of people here how credible your opinions are

I've come to the conclusion he must be related to the Jones cause....I just don't know otherwise

 

[kskboys]

I've come to the conclusion he must be related to the Jones cause....I just don't know otherwise

Judging from his run together nonsense, I'd say he's 12.

 

[Silly]

Jerry and son are also responsible for crippling trades and contracts. Roy Williams and Austin come to mind. The team would be stronger without Jerry.

 

[DuncanIso]

The defense has been a problem for most of the decade.

we keep hiring washed up DCs.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Five years ago Jerry made Stephen the CFO, Chief Financial Officer and he then took over negotiating the contracts. You might believe that both Jerry and Stephen would trust some no-name to negotiate what turned out to be the biggest contract for a RB in the history of the NFL but the rest if us don't. When you can come up with not just the name but some verifiable proof that someone other than Stephen negotiated that contract I will believe it.
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“While Jones never got involved in the negotiations, there was constant communication with Hannula and Cowboys contract expert Adam Prasifka.”

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/am...orts/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article234959462.html

Jerry and Stephen were in NYC when the deal was done opening up the stock exchange. I had forgot that part.

 

[JoeKing]

The utter ignorance being propagated in this thread is astounding. The Jones family deserves better from "so-called" Cowboys fans.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Jerry and son are also responsible for crippling trades and contracts. Roy Williams and Austin come to mind. The team would be stronger without Jerry.

Do they get credit for the Cooper trade that basically saved Daks development? Only having to give 1 first round pick for a 24 yr old WR

 

[Silly]

Do they get credit for the Cooper trade that basically saved Daks development? Only having to give 1 first round pick for a 24 yr old WR

No. The wildcat draft pick concept crippled the team. As well as the flex SPARQ super athlete philosophy. As well as the WR by committee approach which brought Cooper to Dallas. As well as the Hydra Monster 3 HB approach, without an decent oline, flopped as well. All of Jerry's concepts have failed!!!!!

If people keep watching the Cowboys people will start to get the idea that Jerry doesn't know what he is doing.