Time to make some hard decisions on a few long-term starters

[Typhus]

He should, just like pollard. Cowboys are going to have to revamp their offense.

Pollard is a more interesting subject honestly, do we throw the tag on Pollard and absorb that cap hit on a proven RB?

 

[CowboyFrog]

Pollard is a more interesting subject honestly, do we throw the tag on Pollard and absorb that cap hit on a proven RB?

Love Pollard, but no, draft RB's use Davis... Paying RB's seems to be a losing prop in the NFL

 

[fansince68]

Tyron Smith-has 1 yr left on his contract and counts over 17 million against the cap. With his long, injury history and the emergence of Tyler Smith, it's time to make the move. Unless, he takes a pay cut or they can find a trading partner, he is a release candidate. I've heard they can save close to 10 million as a June 1st cut.

Zeke Elliot-he was the Cowboy offense for the first few years of his career, but Garrett ran him into the ground and appears he end is here. Shell of his former self and has zero burst any longer. He wants to stay, but he is now a progress stopper that is holding the team back.

Dalton Shultz-I have gone back and fourth about him, as he was a huge part of the team's passing attack, but having Shultz as the team's #2 option means your offense just isn't good enough. He is a good player, but isn't worth an elite contract. We have a few good young options, draft upcoming has a deep class, maybe add a low level veteran to the group.

Agreed, however. We need draft capital for the next few years. It's time to trade a player or two while they are still in their prime and have high value. Then we can add free agents at key positions. Diggs deserves a max contract? Micha? It's currently time to pay Steele. We have albatross contracts that we don't need to rework.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pollard is a more interesting subject honestly, do we throw the tag on Pollard and absorb that cap hit on a proven RB?

For one year maybe. draft a back and sign 2 cheaply in FA. Good year for FA backs. need a RB by committee approach to the position. Can’t pay backs big money in this environment.

 

[Typhus]

Love Pollard, but no, draft RB's use Davis... Paying RB's seems to be a losing prop in the NFL

We have to look at the entire pool of FA RBs in order to establish an economic cap value first, so here is the list.
1 Saquon Barkley
2 Josh Jacobs
3 Tony Pollard
4 Miles Sanders
5 David Montgomery
6 Jamaal Williams
7 Kareem Hunt
8 Damien Harris
9 Devin Singletary
10 Donta Foreman

Its a crowded room as you can see, and teams are finally starting to figure out RB values, so Pollards situation will be a very interesting situation as the off season and FA begins to unfold.

 

[jazzcat22]

Designating Zeke a post-June 1st release splits his $11.8M in dead money between 2023 and 2024 ($5.9M each season) thereby Dallas saves almost $11M against the cap in 2023 and roughly $8.3M in 2024.
As far as Tyron Smith, he has $8M worth of dead money remaining with a 2023 cap charge of $17.6M so he too would get designated a post-June 1st release thereby splitting the dead money ($4M each season) and saving Dallas $13.6M in 2023.

So those 2 players alone could save Dallas $24.6M in 2023 and $8.3M in 2024.

Time to cut bait and move on from those two.

You can only have 1 post June cut. And that $$$ does not come off the books until then.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I'd seriously look at drafting Hendon Hooker with the 2nd round pick if he's there. That kid has the "it" factor and plenty of arm strength. Groom him for a couple seasons behind Dak since we are stuck with his contract.

No way.

Hendon Hooker tore his ACL during the last game of the season. He will have to sit out a whole year before he's ready. Plus, he's already 25 years old. No way should any team use a high draft pick on this QB. Maybe a 6th or 7th round would work due to this issues mentioned above, but not a costly early round pick where we need starters.

 

[jazzcat22]

Most of the better GMs realize it’s better to release a guy a year early and save some cap space than wait until it’s a year late and there’s no other option.

That guy that coaches in NE, Bill, was a master at this. Releasing or trading players that had value, but was also near the end of their value to the team.

 

[jazzcat22]

Easy decisions.

smith and zeke gone.

shultz is a tough one.

How much would Schultz cost compared to giving Ferguson a shot at starting, and drafting another TE?
That needs to be considered.

 

[CowboyRoy]

How much would Schultz cost compared to giving Ferguson a shot at starting, and drafting another TE?
That needs to be considered.

You get rid of cooper, now Shultz? Now its getting thin. pollard is likely gone.

 

[jazzcat22]

You get rid of cooper, now Shultz? Now its getting thin. pollard is likely gone.

I think they get a deal done with Schultz, or they may tag him again.
They can save $$ with Zeke and Tyron gone, but that is not Jerry's way. Expect renegotiated deals for both.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think they get a deal done with Schultz, or they may tag him again.
They can save $$ with Zeke and Tyron gone, but that is not Jerry's way. Expect renegotiated deals for both.

So sad!!
being a cowboys fan is a curse. Jerry is the curse.

 

[kskboys]

Problem is your paying $10M for depth when that can net you a really good starting DT, CB, or WR.

Tyron can no longer stay healthy. Time to move on.

The NFL is a young man's game.

 

[kskboys]

I think they get a deal done with Schultz, or they may tag him again.
They can save $$ with Zeke and Tyron gone, but that is not Jerry's way. Expect renegotiated deals for both.

Egads.

IDK, man, we cut bait w/ quite a few players last offseason, I think it continues.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Tyron can no longer stay healthy. Time to move on.

The NFL is a young man's game.

That’s an easy easy decision.

 

[Sully]

Tyron Smith-has 1 yr left on his contract and counts over 17 million against the cap. With his long, injury history and the emergence of Tyler Smith, it's time to make the move. Unless, he takes a pay cut or they can find a trading partner, he is a release candidate. I've heard they can save close to 10 million as a June 1st cut.

Zeke Elliot-he was the Cowboy offense for the first few years of his career, but Garrett ran him into the ground and appears he end is here. Shell of his former self and has zero burst any longer. He wants to stay, but he is now a progress stopper that is holding the team back.

Dalton Shultz-I have gone back and fourth about him, as he was a huge part of the team's passing attack, but having Shultz as the team's #2 option means your offense just isn't good enough. He is a good player, but isn't worth an elite contract. We have a few good young options, draft upcoming has a deep class, maybe add a low level veteran to the group.

Elliott is done. He is a RB3 and when you are a RB3, you play special teams. Look at M Davis. And even playing Elliott the veteran minimum is too much.

This team has so many hole that it can't be filled in one season. It depends where this team can fill holes in free agency that will determine the route the go with the draft.

 

[MAZEREZAM]

We’re not going to cut Tyron because we’re not going after huge contracts in FA and can create cap room by restructuring his contract. Now that Tyler Smith has solidified the LT spot, Tyron can finish out his career at RT. Makes tons more financial sense than relying on a rookie or signing a guy with 1 good year on his resumé and a major knee injury to a new contract.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Tyron Smith-has 1 yr left on his contract and counts over 17 million against the cap. With his long, injury history and the emergence of Tyler Smith, it's time to make the move. Unless, he takes a pay cut or they can find a trading partner, he is a release candidate. I've heard they can save close to 10 million as a June 1st cut.

Zeke Elliot-he was the Cowboy offense for the first few years of his career, but Garrett ran him into the ground and appears he end is here. Shell of his former self and has zero burst any longer. He wants to stay, but he is now a progress stopper that is holding the team back.

Dalton Shultz-I have gone back and fourth about him, as he was a huge part of the team's passing attack, but having Shultz as the team's #2 option means your offense just isn't good enough. He is a good player, but isn't worth an elite contract. We have a few good young options, draft upcoming has a deep class, maybe add a low level veteran to the group.

No more guaranteed money on Tyron or Zeke, so there's technically no rush on either.
But I'd just dump Zeke today. Just move on. There is no way he is worth his contract.

Tyron might be worth his contract, or less, or more.

I can understand thinking he is just too broken down, but that hamstring tear was not a long time issue for him. Just by eyeball, it seems like he has largely recovered from his batch issues. I can see Tyron having more good years ahead of him. I can see him continue to be on and off.
The oline is losing the LG this year, and LG and RT next year. That's a lot of bodies to replace. And that's just the starters. We already had nothing at backup spots. We gave up on Ball very quickly, and have Farniok as our backup interior oline.

Keep Tyron, and we can go into next year without needing a new LG, and we could be starting our planned oline from last year. Because Tyron might be worth his contract, or more, I wouldn't be in a hurry to dump him. I'd rather see him in camp. And if someone gets injured, the rights to Tyron, even if he isn't quite worth his contract on play alone, may become worth it because of the situation we are in. Tyron may have some trade value as well.

Tyron we should keep around and decide later on.
... but, I think they already tipped their hand on Tyron this year by *not* putting him back at LT. He's gone.

Schulz is a free agent who is good but not great. Those are the guys we don't sign unless we get a way under market value contract. And we have 2 TEs I like in Ferguson and Hendershot, so it's not like we'd be in a bind at the position without him. Just wave goodbye and take the comp pick in 2024.

So, yeah, I think they're all gone.

 

[buybuydandavis]

We’re not going to cut Tyron because we’re not going after huge contracts in FA and can create cap room by restructuring his contract. Now that Tyler Smith has solidified the LT spot, Tyron can finish out his career at RT. Makes tons more financial sense than relying on a rookie or signing a guy with 1 good year on his resumé and a major knee injury to a new contract.

Steele is RFA next year, so he'll be back. We've got a RT, and a good one.
If we want Tyler at LT, we should just move on from Tyron. Thinking about it now, that seems to be the intention. All the gyrations on the oline were odd and only make sense to me if they were already planning on moving on from Tyron at LT and keeping Tyler at LT permanently.
I don't like it, but I see an argument for it. I think Tyron is gone because they've already decided that he is gone.

 

[buybuydandavis]

They definitely can’t keep Tyron with his current number. But I’d be surprised if they didn’t restructure him to a dirt cheap number and have him as the swing tackle for the next 2 years. As much as I like Pollard, go draft a runningback or 2.

If Tyron is healthy enough to play he's no one's backup. I don't see getting him dirt cheap as remotely possible.