Time to move on from Moore

[glimmerman]

I think Bill was the last coach that would tell the QBs to knock it off and get back to the run game.

I think the OCs and the QBs (romo and dak) have been given too much power to change plays and get pass happy,

Most QBs and OC love to throw the ball. If you establish the run even they know it makes it easier to pass and it creates trouble for the defenses.

 

[infamousstyles]

He did scheme guys wide open for long TDs at least 3 times in the game. Dak ignored one and underthrew the other two.

I'm referencing not running the ball on 2nd and 2 before halftime. Dak throws an INT and we give up 3 points where we could have been up 3 with the ball after halftime.

 

[Cowboyny]

Sorry but he just can’t stay with the formula. After playing a good game the week before and being balanced he abandons the run once again. We have Malik and he can play. No excuse after Pollard went down.

It’s a team game and you put Dak throwing 37 times and run 16 times. Meanwhile the other team runs 28 and pass 29.

Our Defense played good enough to win. Our Offense floundered. Dak could have played better but we could have helped by running the call.

Steve Young said last week, they were the easiest to defend as it was a basic scheme. Think the Jones Family will give MM another season to produce, why not allow him to run his offense, with his people.

 

[kramskoi]

We’re stuck with Dak so you might try something different but Dak is the problem. Not Moore.

He's kinda part of the problem sir. He and Dak together are a dysfunctional combination. I've said it since last year. Prescott needs a fresh pair of eyes and a more quarterback-friendly scheme. Not a buddy.

 

[kramskoi]

I'm referencing not running the ball on 2nd and 2 before halftime. Dak throws an INT and we give up 3 points where we could have been up 3 with the ball after halftime.

Not Moore's fault. Prescott can audible out of plays. He can throw it away. He can run. He can take a sack. He throw a check down. Just don't force the ball where it doesn't belong. Even a less than elite quarterback should know that by year seven.

 

[CowboyFrog]

This is not just a Moore and Dak thing,
This was a major problem before Moore or Dak was even here,
This has been happening since the Tuna Left.

Exactly!!! its almost like someone is telling them to recreate "The greatest show on turf" but doesnt have the weapons to do so. I am for moving on from the OC since I dont see a way to move on from the QB..."We are going to run the ball and play defense" needs to be a real thing the next 2 years or we will just waste a very good defense moving on from the QB and coaching staff.

 

[phildadon86]

Prescott isn't going anywhere, so it's pointless chirping that

Moore might have to go. He's nice sometimes, but the way this offense was called vs the 49ers is absolutely minor league. Awful management, play calling and stop with the idiotic trick plays.
Does anyone thing waiting until the 3rd quarter is good enough to run play action?
We need a change.

Whats crazy is that from Garrett to Moore. Every single OC has gone away from what works. Its mind boggling. You call an amazing game against TB. Then go completely against that game plan and you're calling curl routes again? Like what is happening? Get rid of Moore and the entire scheme. Bring in someone who can run MM's WCO and see what happens.

 

[G2]

Whats crazy is that from Garrett to Moore. Every single OC has gone away from what works. Its mind boggling. You call an amazing game against TB. Then go completely against that game plan and you're calling curl routes again? Like what is happening? Get rid of Moore and the entire scheme. Bring in someone who can run MM's WCO and see what happens.

I agree, it's great here and there, enough to give homers like me some hope. But then they call plays that make me question their football IQ from my couch, and I probably have a fair point, lol.
You're right. The JG/Linehan era would not only stop short of being a successful running team, but they would call similar plays with inadequate O line blocking. I can't remember where I saw the stat, but it was glaring.
I'm paraphrasing, but basically out RBs get 1 yard or less before contact on average. You can the RB or the line, but they're barely getting to the line of scrimmage before contact.
How does anyone with an NFL job get by?

 

[glimmerman]

Steve Young said last week, they were the easiest to defend as it was a basic scheme. Think the Jones Family will give MM another season to produce, why not allow him to run his offense, with his people.

Absolutely. MM was saddled with him when he came here. He said he wanted to keep him but I don’t believe that. He is a product of Linehan. When JG was let go he asked JJ for another year where he got to call the plays himself. JG played and has the simple Offense style we had in the 90’s. It was balanced and he likes to run. It was Linehan that would get pass happy and Moore was taught by him. If you run that simple style you depend on players to be better than the other side. Like in the 90’s they knew we were going to run it but could not do anything about. We don’t have that kind of talent anymore.

 

[Staubacher]

I'm referencing not running the ball on 2nd and 2 before halftime. Dak throws an INT and we give up 3 points where we could have been up 3 with the ball after halftime.

I'm pretty sure the play call wasn't Dak throw into double coverage.

2nd and 2 is usually a run down, that's true, but the play is being judged in retrospect. Often throwing on a run down is a good idea since you may catch the defense off guard.

I'm not saying Moore is a genius. But the loss was 100 percent on the crappy QB play.

There were many great play calls that should have led to points.

 

[glimmerman]

I'm pretty sure the play call wasn't Dak throw into double coverage.

2nd and 2 is usually a run down, that's true, but the play is being judged in retrospect. Often throwing on a run down is a good idea since you may catch the defense off guard.

I'm not saying Moore is a genius. But the loss was 100 percent on the crappy QB play.

There were many great play calls that should have led to points.

Dak needed to roll out and take the ball himself. It was the time of the game to do it with his feet and confuse defense.

 

[Staubacher]

Dak needed to roll out and take the ball himself. It was the time of the game to do it with his feet and confuse defense.

Yup. An OC can't tell the QB what to do once the ball is snapped. Lots of options on that play that would have kept us in favorable down and distance and put points on the board and a halftime lead.

It was a monumentally stupid decision by the QB

 

[glimmerman]

Yup. An OC can't tell the QB what to do once the ball is snapped. Lots of options on that play that would have kept us in favorable down and distance and put points on the board and a halftime lead.

It was a monumentally stupid decision by the QB

Yeah I don’t know why he did that. Simple run and points. Then get the ball back in the second half. Could have so started taking the game over.. Made them pass more and go after the rookie. Our Defense played well with the exception of Diggs that could have opened up the game with a easy int..

 

[Cowboyny]

Absolutely. MM was saddled with him when he came here. He said he wanted to keep him but I don’t believe that. He is a product of Linehan. When JG was let go he asked JJ for another year where he got to call the plays himself. JG played and has the simple Offense style we had in the 90’s. It was balanced and he likes to run. It was Linehan that would get pass happy and Moore was taught by him. If you run that simple style you depend on players to be better than the other side. Like in the 90’s they knew we were going to run it but could not do anything about. We don’t have that kind of talent anymore.

I think the switch is necessary, it's time to see a more modern scheme, like they have on Defense now.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Sorry but he just can’t stay with the formula. After playing a good game the week before and being balanced he abandons the run once again. We have Malik and he can play. No excuse after Pollard went down.

It’s a team game and you put Dak throwing 37 times and run 16 times. Meanwhile the other team runs 28 and pass 29.

Our Defense played good enough to win. Our Offense floundered. Dak could have played better but we could have helped by running the call.

The defense didnt play good enough to win. The Niners defense played good enough to win.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

People said Romo was the problem and not JG. They said JG will do much better with another team. How did JG workout with the Giants?

Funny because Linehan and Garrett both left didn't even get jobs. Linehan is a offensive analyst for Missouri after he was fired by LSU in 2020. Garrett crashed the giants. I hope Kellen Moore leaves and he meets the same path ending up coaching in college. Dak is a average QB but Kellen Moore isn't a good OC either. He's stubborn and has no creativity game to game just like his mentor Linehan and his former head coach Garrett.

 

[Zman5]

Another issue with KM is that he used to be Dak's teammate. A guy Dak beat out for the job. How much respect do you think Dak has for KM as an authoritative figure?
Does KM have enough balls to tell Dak not to do something (changing plays in games)? Or tell Dak he is screwing up? Even if he does, would Dak respect him and listen?