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[Swanny]

I'm tired of seeing fans, and reporters alike constantly saying McFadden "is an injury waiting to happen, or he's had one healthy season"

Um, Murray is the exact same way. Now that Murray isn't in a contract year how do u think he's going to play? Will the wrist injury he played through last season put him out a few weeks if he has a similar injury this year? Murray had a good year, but honestly I wasn't a big fan of his, I felt he played last season for a contract. Now McFadden is in a contract year, playing for very little. He probably could of got more elsewhere, yet he signed in Dallas imo because of the line. Let's see at the end of the year who's been healthy then look back.

They are both an injury waiting to happen. That's reason number 1 why I wouldn't have given Murray that contract

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm tired of seeing fans, and reporters alike constantly saying McFadden "is an injury waiting to happen, or he's had one healthy season"

Um, Murray is the exact same way. Now that Murray isn't in a contract year how do u think he's going to play? Will the wrist injury he played through last season put him out a few weeks if he has a similar injury this year? Murray had a good year, but honestly I wasn't a big fan of his, I felt he played last season for a contract. Now McFadden is in a contract year, playing for very little. He probably could of got more elsewhere, yet he signed in Dallas imo because of the line. Let's see at the end of the year who's been healthy then look back.

What if I were to say, "McFadden is fat!"?

 

[Muhast]

Yeah, I wasn't for getting AP. Honestly at the end of the season I told my son, who's also a huge cowboys fan, that we should let Murray walk, sign McFadden for cheap, give dez a 5yr 70 mil with 40 guaranteed, then try to work on the D line. When Dez signed for 70 and 45 my son was laughing asking if I'm a witch lol.

Let me guess, you also predicted we would draft Byron Jones and Randy Gregory and land La'el Collins as an UDFA .

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I'm tired of seeing fans, and reporters alike constantly saying McFadden "is an injury waiting to happen, or he's had one healthy season"

Um, Murray is the exact same way. Now that Murray isn't in a contract year how do u think he's going to play? Will the wrist injury he played through last season put him out a few weeks if he has a similar injury this year? Murray had a good year, but honestly I wasn't a big fan of his, I felt he played last season for a contract. Now McFadden is in a contract year, playing for very little. He probably could of got more elsewhere, yet he signed in Dallas imo because of the line. Let's see at the end of the year who's been healthy then look back.

That doesn't bother me at all, because Murray is no longer here and McFadden is. DMC can shut people up by going out and showing them on the field this season. Problem solved.

 

[Plumfool]

McFadden's best year was 2010. He ran for 1157 yards. No other season in his seven years did he break 725 yards. His top four years as a running back he posted (2010) 1157, (2011) 614, (2012) 707, (2014) 534 for a total of 3012 yards in four seasons.

Murray's best year he ran up 1845. In 2013 he hung up 1121 yards. His last two years he posted 2966 yards from scrimmage in the running game.

Your assumption Murray was simply playing for a contract last year ignores that he posted almost as many yards as McFadden's best season behind a line that featured Bernadeau and Waters. My suggestion is you might be jaded.

But what really strikes me as a feeble attempt to justify Murray leaving by most is the way those of you supporting this change ignore the way the offense played last year.

Your assessment, it was only the line. Yet he eclipsed 1100 yards the season before.

Let's wait and see what we've got always seems so positive. Yet the offense ginned like no time before with a Romo, Bryant and Murray.

I heard Everson Walls being interviewed on the radio this past week. The radio host asked him what worried him the most for the coming year. He stated his biggest concern was the offense trying to recapture what the second set of triplets accomplished. He was not shy about saying this might be a huge mistake.

I don't know what McF will bring. But to take his career and somehow compare it to Murray's in any way is either wishful thinking, naivete', or sour grapes.

I agree they shouldn't be compared. However there is a degree of hope. McFadden played with awful offenses. He's had maybe one decent QB to play alongside with. And that was the year he produced over 1,000 yards. Hes only carried over 200 times in a season twice. But has a nice 4 yard per carry ave. this offense is based on keeping ahead of the chains. He should help with that.

Oakland just doesn't have much. If I'm not mistaken the only Pro Bowlers they've had during McFadden's career is their punter and a Tight End. Hard to be successfull in that environment.

 

[DallasEast]

I can't wait till the real games begin in 57 days for the Cowboys.

Agreed. Real football will put the running back angst in its proper place.

 

[waving monkey]

Iam not going to regurgitate tha Oline powers that Murray played behind
but by me merely mentioning the Cowboys Oline difference the debate is closed.

 

[Nightman]

no one will admit that we are a better team with Murray on it.
exaggerate much

Not at all

Murray just had the best year a RB has ever had in DAL

If you can't admit the team is better with Murray on it, you are just be intentionally obtuse

 

[waving monkey]

I think you misread ,everybody understands Murray had a great year
please name the names that said he didnt
what we said was Murray wants too much money
because of the historical evidence of poor post performances the following year
we would be a better team with Murray but not for the money
and that will be shown

 

[gimmesix]

True but you need to look at what McFadden was playing with. Changing coaching every 6 weeks (joking) his OL wasn't very good, nor was his QBs. Last year a rookie QB and faced 8+ in the box about 70% of his carries.

I admit both have had injury issues but Murray has been in a better situation than McFadden. Maybe I'm just hopeful but honestly I see McFadden having a better season than Murray.

As for better with Murray, it depends, with our line, qb, and receivers our RBS should shine regardless who the RB is, and Murry was a fumble waiting to happen. He cost us the game against GB not Dez or Tony.

I don't know who will be better if both stay healthy, but I could easily see neither staying healthy. And I think it's close to a given that McFadden will miss some playing time ... I just don't know how much.

However, I don't expect McFadden to be the main back here, which might help him stay healthy.

 

[Redball Express]

McFadden has averaged 12 played per season.

Murray has averaged 13 games played per season.

Both played all 16 in 2014 for the first time.

Most RBs with over 370 carries had a down year the following season and most never really recovered. Considering that Murray had 392 carries, I think McFadden has a better probability of staying healthy this season than Murray.

The thing is..

until the OL was rebuilt over the last 3 years..

that also corresponds to Murray getting better and better.

I still believe our Rushing game is going too be fine.

If Linehan can get an early feel for who runs what plays well and dials it up correctly..

and Romo is effective with playcalling at the LOS like he has been in the past..

knowing what the weaknesses are and exploiting them on the ground and the air..

then we should be Ok.

I still think the key will be the health of all the RBs as the year goes on.

I would like to see us find one more guy to put in the mix to push Dunbar and Williams as they very unknown quantities and I'm fairly certain we will not be carrying 4+RBs on the active squad.

So normally a 4th deep RB is of no big deal..

but not maybe this year.

 

[guag]

But Dallas is 12m under the cap and didn't even touch Carr's contract. Murray's cap hit is 5m this year.

That tells how highly (lowly?) the Cowboys view the RB position (or at least, individual RBs making $5+ mil) relative to all others. I'm trying to remain positive and go with the idea that the front office knows what they're doing, and I will give them the benefit of the doubt considering their ability to identify talent the last several years. And I do feel positive about Randle and a healthy McFadden.

But even I have to admit that while I do think we'll have success, without Murray the RB position is largely a question mark. That doesn't mean we'll suck, and doesn't mean our group can't tear up the league, but I can't say that I'm more confident in the RB position without Murray than with him. Is even a 1200-1300 yard Murray still worth $5 mil? Probably not, but at least that question mark wouldn't be as large as it is right now for a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

However, question mark aside, I'm still confident in this group of Randle, McFadden, Dunbar, and/or Williams.

 

[guag]

I would like to see us find one more guy to put in the mix to push Dunbar and Williams as they very unknown quantities and I'm fairly certain we will not be carrying 4+RBs on the active squad.

So normally a 4th deep RB is of no big deal..

but not maybe this year.

I might be on board with 4 RBs if RB was a team strength and we had 3-4 guys who could compete for a starting position, and each had their own unique skills to contribute in different ways. But I think we have too much talent in other position groups (comparatively speaking anyway) to go long at RB.

I think Williams is a long-shot to make the team anyway... not only because he has difficulty staying healthy but because he seems to be a bit one-dimensional, and that won't fly with this team. He can certainly run well and might be the best Dirty Yards™® back we have, but unless he wins the starting job I don't know if that will be enough.

 

[plymkr]

no one will admit that we are a better team with Murray on it.
exaggerate much

I'm not sure if this is fair to say. Rosters change a little bit every year. We lost Murray and we will miss him. McFadden has yet to prove he can be The Guy for a team like Murray was. So our RB's are not as good this year as last year and no one can argue that fact. But the overall team I would say has improved. The offensive line is better with the addition of Collins. Receivers and tight ends are the same. Special teams are the same. The defensive line is better with the addition of Hardy and the draft pick (his name escapes me right now). the secondary is better through the draft.

I will never admit that we won't miss Murray. We are a better Offensive team with him on it. But the overall roster of the dallas cowboys with the additions and subtractions I feel we are a better overall team. Better front 7 on defense and better secondary.

On a football team I feel there isn't one player that you can't replace with the exception of a talented qb. Has anyone been paying attention to the Commanders the last 10 or so years? they sign everyone's all pros and they haven't won. Don't get me wrong, hopefully Murray will stay healthy and play great for the Eagles but the Dallas Cowboys are the better overall team and if we play our game we will win the division and make a super bowl run.

Murray did not take us to the playoffs last year. He was a cog in the engine, this year we're driving an overall better engine and we don't need that one cog to be spectacular. The engine is spectacular

 

[tyke1doe]

I can't wait till the real games begin in 57 days for the Cowboys.

I'm witcha. I'm almost talked out about these topics (not saying anyone else should feel the same as I). I'm ready for the season to get here so we can settled this endless debate once and for all.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm tired of seeing fans, and reporters alike constantly saying McFadden "is an injury waiting to happen, or he's had one healthy season"

Um, Murray is the exact same way. Now that Murray isn't in a contract year how do u think he's going to play? Will the wrist injury he played through last season put him out a few weeks if he has a similar injury this year? Murray had a good year, but honestly I wasn't a big fan of his, I felt he played last season for a contract. Now McFadden is in a contract year, playing for very little. He probably could of got more elsewhere, yet he signed in Dallas imo because of the line. Let's see at the end of the year who's been healthy then look back.

Both McFadden AND Murray are injury prone.

 

[CowboyRoy]

McFadden has averaged 12 played per season.

Murray has averaged 13 games played per season.

Both played all 16 in 2014 for the first time.

Most RBs with over 370 carries had a down year the following season and most never really recovered. Considering that Murray had 392 carries, I think McFadden has a better probability of staying healthy this season than Murray.

Yep.......before finally getting an entire full season of games in, these cats were averaging like 10 games played a year. Nothing impressive about that. And its not like Murray was getting over used in those years when he got hurt. Heck, I recall one year he pulled up lame running out of bounds.

 

[RS12]

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Like it or not the guy averages playing 12 games a year. FWIW I dont think there is one RB on the roster who is a lock to return from Oxnard.

 

[CowboyRoy]

McFadden thus far sucks, and the sample size is now large enough to say he's a bad football player. And not close to as good as Murray. But that doesn't mean Dallas should have signed Murray to the deal Philly gave him.

I think that fact that McFadden wasted the first 8 years of his career playing for the worst team in football with no QB and a poor OL certainly has to be taken into account. He will not average 3 yards a carry behind this line in this offense.

That being said, I would still take Murray ver McFadden. Up until last year, Murray's first 3 years were wasted on Garrett's lack of commitment to the run and an affinity to abandon it in the first quarter of most games. Heck, he didnt even play Murray until there were multiple injuries at the RB position his rookie year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

McFadden's best year was 2010. He ran for 1157 yards. No other season in his seven years did he break 725 yards. His top four years as a running back he posted (2010) 1157, (2011) 614, (2012) 707, (2014) 534 for a total of 3012 yards in four seasons.

Murray's best year he ran up 1845. In 2013 he hung up 1121 yards. His last two years he posted 2966 yards from scrimmage in the running game.

Your assumption Murray was simply playing for a contract last year ignores that he posted almost as many yards as McFadden's best season behind a line that featured Bernadeau and Waters. My suggestion is you might be jaded.

But what really strikes me as a feeble attempt to justify Murray leaving by most is the way those of you supporting this change ignore the way the offense played last year.

Your assessment, it was only the line. Yet he eclipsed 1100 yards the season before.

Let's wait and see what we've got always seems so positive. Yet the offense ginned like no time before with a Romo, Bryant and Murray.

I heard Everson Walls being interviewed on the radio this past week. The radio host asked him what worried him the most for the coming year. He stated his biggest concern was the offense trying to recapture what the second set of triplets accomplished. He was not shy about saying this might be a huge mistake.

I don't know what McF will bring. But to take his career and somehow compare it to Murray's in any way is either wishful thinking, naivete', or sour grapes.

True, but you completely ignored the fact that Murray ran behind the best line in football, on one of the best offenses in football, and got handed the ball 400 times.