Titans release Mettenberger

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BAT said:
Could give a rip about Kellen Moore. And I've presented tons of reasons why, which is evident throughout this thread except to those who choose to be blind.

1) 0-10 as a starter
2) Lowest QBR in history after 10 starts
3) Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane
4) the team that drafted him prefers Matt frigging Cassel
5) does not fit Cowboys QB profile: smart, mobile, accurate and off the chart intangibles
6) the face of the franchise cannot be a convicted sex offender
7) if first 6 reasons are not enough, the guy has a spinal condition and this is the guy who us going to replace a QB with a bad back????

Just because he is cheap and has a canon for an arm does not make this loser a good fit for the Cowboys.
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1- He is better than Moore
 
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1- He is better than Moore
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Speculative. Poor rebuttal. Moore was kept over Cassel, Cassel replaced Mettenberger.

After Weeden, I'm surprised fans are still falling for losers with strong arms.
 
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Sorry but Dak (still hate this pick And not a fan of the player) and Moore (I float lots of passes) should not stop Dallas looking at all options for the backup QB spot. He's got the tools and he's young. Wouldn't mind checking him out and seeing if he is damaged goods.
 
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Funny, after his first year in the league there were people hyping him as a hidden talent and one of the young guys that could become a solid starter.

His college career was pretty good playing in one of the toughest conferences in the league. His first year numbers weren't that bad, he did not have a good year his second year, of course the Tennessee roster is easily one of the worst in the league. Hard to blame just the QB.

Now some have brought up an incident that occurred 6 or 7 years ago which sounds to me like a kid making a really bad choice while drinking, he took his punishment and as far as I know hasn't ever been in any other trouble. I know he got assaulted a year or two ago when someone sucker punched him at a bar.

BAT keeps saying he is terrible and argues his point saying that over his first 10 starts he has the lowest QBR rating. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Kellen Moore took how many years and needed how many injuries to even get a chance to play? He had the benefit of knowing the offense and having the best OL in the game at his back and he was awful. His standard passer rating is nowhere near as poor and is the ranking that has been used for years to evaluate QBs. So at the very least, Moore and Mettenberger might be considered similar. Mettenberger however has the physical tools to develop and get better, while Moore is older, isn't going to make any significant gains to his athleticism. Mettenberger clearly fits the idea of a developmental prospect way more than Moore does. It's not even close.

It's funny how the Cowboys GM is being used to support Moore, when just a few months ago they said how much they needed to improve the position. I can assure you nothing has happened since the end of the season for Moore to suddenly go from not being good enough to being the undisputed backup.

As Fuzzy has said, BAT is clearly too emotionally involved to be rational about the prospect of bringing him in. I can understand not being in favor because of the prior sexual battery case and if you want to use the morality clause, then so be it. However Mettenberger is as valid of a prospect as any guy we have on our roster and can be had for next to nothing.

It's funny how this team will take chances on stiffs over and over again and take ridiculous picks in the draft over and over and overpay talent ridiculously yet when they get a cheap freebie they don't consider it.
 
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Funny, after his first year in the league there were people hyping him as a hidden talent and one of the young guys that could become a solid starter.

His college career was pretty good playing in one of the toughest conferences in the league. His first year numbers weren't that bad, he did not have a good year his second year, of course the Tennessee roster is easily one of the worst in the league. Hard to blame just the QB.

Now some have brought up an incident that occurred 6 or 7 years ago which sounds to me like a kid making a really bad choice while drinking, he took his punishment and as far as I know hasn't ever been in any other trouble. I know he got assaulted a year or two ago when someone sucker punched him at a bar.

BAT keeps saying he is terrible and argues his point saying that over his first 10 starts he has the lowest QBR rating. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Kellen Moore took how many years and needed how many injuries to even get a chance to play? He had the benefit of knowing the offense and having the best OL in the game at his back and he was awful. His standard passer rating is nowhere near as poor and is the ranking that has been used for years to evaluate QBs. So at the very least, Moore and Mettenberger might be considered similar. Mettenberger however has the physical tools to develop and get better, while Moore is older, isn't going to make any significant gains to his athleticism. Mettenberger clearly fits the idea of a developmental prospect way more than Moore does. It's not even close.

It's funny how the Cowboys GM is being used to support Moore, when just a few months ago they said how much they needed to improve the position. I can assure you nothing has happened since the end of the season for Moore to suddenly go from not being good enough to being the undisputed backup.

As Fuzzy has said, BAT is clearly too emotionally involved to be rational about the prospect of bringing him in. I can understand not being in favor because of the prior sexual battery case and if you want to use the morality clause, then so be it. However Mettenberger is as valid of a prospect as any guy we have on our roster and can be had for next to nothing.

It's funny how this team will take chances on stiffs over and over again and take ridiculous picks in the draft over and over and overpay talent ridiculously yet when they get a cheap freebie they don't consider it.
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Excellent points.....and we usually aren't in a top waiver position either......QBs don't come free often so you should at least look at the ones that do......
 
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Fla Cowpoke said:
Funny, after his first year in the league there were people hyping him as a hidden talent and one of the young guys that could become a solid starter.

His college career was pretty good playing in one of the toughest conferences in the league. His first year numbers weren't that bad, he did not have a good year his second year, of course the Tennessee roster is easily one of the worst in the league. Hard to blame just the QB.

Now some have brought up an incident that occurred 6 or 7 years ago which sounds to me like a kid making a really bad choice while drinking, he took his punishment and as far as I know hasn't ever been in any other trouble. I know he got assaulted a year or two ago when someone sucker punched him at a bar.

BAT keeps saying he is terrible and argues his point saying that over his first 10 starts he has the lowest QBR rating. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Kellen Moore took how many years and needed how many injuries to even get a chance to play? He had the benefit of knowing the offense and having the best OL in the game at his back and he was awful. His standard passer rating is nowhere near as poor and is the ranking that has been used for years to evaluate QBs. So at the very least, Moore and Mettenberger might be considered similar. Mettenberger however has the physical tools to develop and get better, while Moore is older, isn't going to make any significant gains to his athleticism. Mettenberger clearly fits the idea of a developmental prospect way more than Moore does. It's not even close.

It's funny how the Cowboys GM is being used to support Moore, when just a few months ago they said how much they needed to improve the position. I can assure you nothing has happened since the end of the season for Moore to suddenly go from not being good enough to being the undisputed backup.

As Fuzzy has said, BAT is clearly too emotionally involved to be rational about the prospect of bringing him in. I can understand not being in favor because of the prior sexual battery case and if you want to use the morality clause, then so be it. However Mettenberger is as valid of a prospect as any guy we have on our roster and can be had for next to nothing.

It's funny how this team will take chances on stiffs over and over again and take ridiculous picks in the draft over and over and overpay talent ridiculously yet when they get a cheap freebie they don't consider it.
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Maybe they are considering him and only playing it down. No need to advertise you're interest.

For a couples reasons, one being you dont know if he will make it to fourth claim so in keeping quiet you dont look like you whiffed on another opportunity and you also give your back up (Moore) a shot in the arm by demonstrating to him that you believe he is a more desireable qb.

Secondly, why show other front offices that your pro scouting department has interest. If they are on the fence you dont want to influence them in any way.

These may seem like silly reasons but there isnt one legitimate reason to show your hand either.
 
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Fla Cowpoke said:
Funny, after his first year in the league there were people hyping him as a hidden talent and one of the young guys that could become a solid starter.

His college career was pretty good playing in one of the toughest conferences in the league. His first year numbers weren't that bad, he did not have a good year his second year, of course the Tennessee roster is easily one of the worst in the league. Hard to blame just the QB.

Now some have brought up an incident that occurred 6 or 7 years ago which sounds to me like a kid making a really bad choice while drinking, he took his punishment and as far as I know hasn't ever been in any other trouble. I know he got assaulted a year or two ago when someone sucker punched him at a bar.

BAT keeps saying he is terrible and argues his point saying that over his first 10 starts he has the lowest QBR rating. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Kellen Moore took how many years and needed how many injuries to even get a chance to play? He had the benefit of knowing the offense and having the best OL in the game at his back and he was awful. His standard passer rating is nowhere near as poor and is the ranking that has been used for years to evaluate QBs. So at the very least, Moore and Mettenberger might be considered similar. Mettenberger however has the physical tools to develop and get better, while Moore is older, isn't going to make any significant gains to his athleticism. Mettenberger clearly fits the idea of a developmental prospect way more than Moore does. It's not even close.

It's funny how the Cowboys GM is being used to support Moore, when just a few months ago they said how much they needed to improve the position. I can assure you nothing has happened since the end of the season for Moore to suddenly go from not being good enough to being the undisputed backup.

As Fuzzy has said, BAT is clearly too emotionally involved to be rational about the prospect of bringing him in. I can understand not being in favor because of the prior sexual battery case and if you want to use the morality clause, then so be it. However Mettenberger is as valid of a prospect as any guy we have on our roster and can be had for next to nothing.

It's funny how this team will take chances on stiffs over and over again and take ridiculous picks in the draft over and over and overpay talent ridiculously yet when they get a cheap freebie they don't consider it.
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Fuzzy was wrong about Cowboys lack of interest but he's right about everything else, including his pop psychologist analysis of my emotional investment. Your argument is not only specious but laughable.

Still can't get over the love for a player that lacks so many traits that the Cowboys obviously value.
 
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It's not love. I don't see anyone in favor of bringing him in ranting and raving that he is great.

Just a free chance at a guy that was thought to have a chance to develop just a year ago. Team changes coaches, has a top pick QB and don't see a future for him there. I guess you forgot the Jimmy Johnson days of bringing in anyone with a pulse on Tuesday, signing them on Wed, them getting a day or two of practice and then playing that Sunday. Kicking the tires on a young player that isn't going to cost you anything of significance financially at a position where you are less than loaded at makes complete sense.

You on the other hand, clearly do hate the player. It's not just because of his skillset.
 
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Fuzzy was wrong about Cowboys lack of interest but he's right about everything else, including his pop psychologist analysis of my emotional investment. Your argument is not only specious but laughable.

Still can't get over the love for a player that lacks so many traits that the Cowboys obviously value.
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Can you name all these other QBs that Dallas loves, that have the traits the Cowboys value? I specifically don't see many mobile QB's that Dallas has brought in outside of UDFA or very late rounders. I see Weeden, Cassel, Matt Moore, Orton, Kitna, etc.

Also, can you name the top 5 of the available free agent QB's that aren't going to cost us an arm and a leg or a draft pick? Should be easy since you say there are so many of them and Mettenberger is clearly the worst.
 
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Can you name all these other QBs that Dallas loves, that have the traits the Cowboys value? I specifically don't see many mobile QB's that Dallas has brought in outside of UDFA or very late rounders. I see Weeden, Cassel, Matt Moore, Orton, Kitna, etc.

Also, can you name the top 5 of the available free agent QB's that aren't going to cost us an arm and a leg or a draft pick? Should be easy since you say there are so many of them and Mettenberger is clearly the worst.
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I think you are too emotionally invested in this player. All you have to do is wait a few more hours and you will see who is correct.

And the only answer you need for both your questions is Dak Prescott. Cowboys invested a valuable 4th round pick. Cowboys love him because of his leadership and intangibles (intangibles are also why they value Moore).

Prescott (and Moore) do not cost Cowboys a draft pick or any money to sign. Cowboys have invested in both players and will give them an opportunity first before bringing anyone in. The only remaining QBs available are dregs, better options will be there after cuts.

Titans cut Mettenberger to sign undrafted TRYOUT players. Let that sink in a bit and ask yourself why.
 
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It's not love. I don't see anyone in favor of bringing him in ranting and raving that he is great.

Just a free chance at a guy that was thought to have a chance to develop just a year ago. Team changes coaches, has a top pick QB and don't see a future for him there. I guess you forgot the Jimmy Johnson days of bringing in anyone with a pulse on Tuesday, signing them on Wed, them getting a day or two of practice and then playing that Sunday. Kicking the tires on a young player that isn't going to cost you anything of significance financially at a position where you are less than loaded at makes complete sense.

You on the other hand, clearly do hate the player. It's not just because of his skillset.
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Yes. I would hate to sign Mettenberger as a backup QB. On field reason, I am really tired of signing QBs with the loser mentality.

Same reason I despised the Ryan Leaf signing. I don't care how strong their arms are if they have zero leadership abilities and crap decision making.
 
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