TLH: Tape Shows Why Tony Romo Is Elite

[percyhoward]

I can't believe you guys really give a **** either way, to be honest.

Not everyone does, believe me.

 

[Red Dragon]

And a year from now this debate still will be going on. If you're elite, there is no debate.

I've been a member of the Giants message board for nearly 6 years now. Trust me, winning two Super Bowls still hasn't quieted the lots and lots of criticism that there is there of Eli Manning.

 

[KJJ]

I've been a member of the Giants message board for nearly 6 years now. Trust me, winning two Super Bowls still hasn't quieted the lots and lots of criticism that there is there of Eli Manning.

It's always going to be what have you done for me lately fans are fickle but if Romo won a SB it would quiet it down a lot here. Eli was expected to win a championship being the #1 overall pick and having the Manning pedigree. He came to NY with a lot of expectations unlike Romo who came to Dallas as an undrafted FA who was just trying to make the team.

Romo has already accomplished more than anyone expected when he came to Dallas in 03. You wouldn't have found anyone back then who thought he would eventually become a franchise QB while breaking every team passing record in the process.

The odds on an undrafted FA QB becoming an established NFL starter is rare to say the least. Other than Romo you have Joe Kapp, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme as the only undrafted FA QB's in NFL history that I can think of off the top of my head that became big time NFL starting QB's.

 

[jobberone]

Johnny Unitas was drafted; in the ninth round by Pittsburgh out of Louisville. But he never took a snap that year and was released then later picked up by the Colts. So he was drafted but interesting story.

 

[jrumann59]

The problem is probably 10% Romo and 90% the REST of the team including management. He is our only consistent offensive weapon, yes our WR are good but they need someone to throw it to them. Our game plan has rested on the arm of Romo, we do not run well do not block well. All we have is a QB that makes our line look better than they really are and when that is all you have is a QB he is going to make mistakes when 75% of the games fall on his shoulders to win. No QB has had to do that, Rodgers poor running game but usually a good pass blocking line and very good defense, P. Manning Ok running game, good pass blocking line and good defense, Brady one of the best systems for a QB because the skill pieces seem to be interchangible.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Show me a post where I claimed to be the #1 argument winner on CZ? I challenge you to produce a QUOTE where I said anything even remotely close to that. Jodi Arias is more credible than some here. LOL You're back at it again doing what you always do posting bull just to incite another flame war. Where's the stats, facts and quotes I asked you to bring? As usual you don't have any but here you are continuing to try and stir things up between us.

You keep starting the same thing over and over knock off the agenda As for Eskimo speak for yourself not other posters. Stop pointing at me trying to make it personal all the time. I'm here to talk serious football with serious knowledgeable fans. All you're doing is diverting just do as I asked or move on. Either post my QUOTES and address them or I'm not going to waste much more time with you. It's not doing us or this board any good.

The title of this thread has the word "elite" in it and it has to do with Romo. You posted in this thread that he is not elite and after a 7 yr track record its not even debatable. That statement was posted right after you said it all depends on how EACH fan and expert defines elite or franchise. I called you out on your contradictory statement - oh, which you failed to address BTW. There is no need for stats in this case. You have posted publically and in numerous pms that you call people out when they are wrong. Need the proof - go back and read your own stuff.

This is nothing personal, nor is it inciting a flame war. It is me simply calling you out on a ridiculous statement about Romo's 7 yr track record in the context of your post. And as far as your claims to be the best, or #1 arguer here on CZ, I still have the pms you sent me stating just that.

And as far as what I can post, or what poster's posts I can refer to I dont need you attempting to dictate to me what I can and cannot post. Until any individual poster, or mod asks me not to post in reference to another poster's post I am free to do so and w/in the CZ guidelines.

Now, to the undebatable Romo 7 yr comment you made, did you choose to ignore that simply because you have no good answer? In hopes that your myriad of followers wouldnt catch the blunder? Or are you pleading the part where you posted that the definition of elite or franchise comes down to the individual fan or expert? I f you choose the latter than each poster here has his own definition which you and me are entitled to as well. Or, if you are sticking to the undebatable 7 yr Romo comment than someone could offer up stats or info to show another way to view things.

Dont try to act all tough and serious like a man making bold pronouncements and hold other posters to a standard you yourself dont keep. You cant SPIN it both ways or you'll get called out for it.

Now if we want to go over the pros and cons of whether or not Romo is elite it is a tired argument here. It appears that you define "elite" QB play based more on team results than individual QB play. Others refer to Romo as being "elite" based on his individual play as the QB of a team and the results are more an overall aspect of the team's accomplishments. So obviously the arguments in favor of one or the other will differ because the definition and starting premise differs. Neither is necessarily right or wrong. And thats what you dont accept here. This forum is a collection of Cowboys fans who when they post express their opinions.

So, when you post (or pm) that you call people out, and people get beaten down by your debating skills your agenda is clear. Dont post here how others should be posting for the good of the forum when its clear you have your own agenda. Im here to have a good time, nothing more. The Cowboys and Cowboy info for me are an enjoyable topic and not a launching pad to somehow make myself feel better by always trying to win thread arguments.

As I evaluate whether or not Romo is an elite QB, I think he is. I thought Dan Fouts and Dan Marino were elite. Neither got a ring. Jim Kelly got to 4 SB's in a row and is in the HOF. I never considered him elite. I dont consider Rypien, Dilfer, or even Eli elite even tho they got rings. I go beyond stats and look at what happens on the field and then make my own determination.

I only have 2 posters on ignore. You may become #3. Not because you intimidate me or beat me down, but because there is no point in discussing anything with you because of your agenda. I've demonstrated, as others have as well, that your "debating skills" arent all that - Just sayn'