Tnew vs Hall

[ravidubey]

Four reasons:

- His name is DeAngelo. That's cooler than Terence.

- He wears "21" which makes people think he's Deion Sanders, and since Deion came into the league image is everything with CBs.

- Terence Newman doesn't brag or boast, and is uglier than Hall.

- DeAngelo Hall has more interceptions and had a TD shown on Sportscenter.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Four reasons:

- His name is DeAngelo. That's cooler than Terence.

- He wears "21" which makes people think he's Deion Sanders, and since Deion came into the league image is everything with CBs.

- Terence Newman doesn't brag or boast, and is uglier than Hall.

- DeAngelo Hall has more interceptions and had a TD shown on Sportscenter.

Uglier than Hall?

Not to sound like a heauxmeaux or anything, but Newman isnt exactly what I would call "ugly"

 

[Aikbach]

If I were a pro bowl wideout I'd be voting for the worst possible opposition to burn in the pro bowl, I'm twisted like that and I bet some others are as well.

 

[cjonesfan921]

Any site that has those stats? I've always tried looking for sites that have the amount of catches on a CB and TDs against. Any link would be appreciated.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's legitimate to argue for our own guy, and TNew deserves it, but let's not act silly and indignant and pretend that watching ESPN makes us more knowledgable about players than the coaches and players who probably watch more game film in a season than we've watched in our lives.

But let's also realize that a player for, say, the San Diego Chargers -- or substitute any AFC or even a non-divisional NFC team -- probably sees LESS of our team than we do. Just like Parcells was saying last week, each team has to focus so much on the upcoming opponent and particularly the players they will face that week, they don't always know what's going on around the league. And players on other defenses don't watch game films of other defenses, they only watch offenses they're going to play. So a defensive lineman in Cleveland probably doesn't know any better who the best NFC corners are are than your average fan who pays attention to the league.

 

[JPM]

I'm not going to argue about it, watching the play, it's clear the corners were switching WRs, because Newman read the play and hopped to the opposite man almost immediatly. Maybe he was supposed to, maybe not, but the fact that he lacked hesitency leads me to believe Henry just ***** up and didnt switch properly

Well then Parcells is wrong too, he said it was Newman's guy on the Wayne TD.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Well then Parcells is wrong too, he said it was Newman's guy on the Wayne TD.

Link?

 

[Charles]

I don't think players look at how many td's were given up...I think they look at tackles, interceptions, td's scored. I think coaches look at guys who give up some plays but who also give the ball back to the offense.

I also think that DB's who play for teams that man-up most of the time get more respect than DB's who play more zone.

It's legitimate to argue for our own guy, and TNew deserves it, but let's not act silly and indignant and pretend that watching ESPN makes us more knowledgable about players than the coaches and players who probably watch more game film in a season than we've watched in our lives.

They like guys who make plays, not just guys who cover well, and as much as we love him, we all have to admit that TNew has not learned to play the ball or is forced to play techniques that don't lend themselves to playing the ball...he has never been an INT guy, and until he becomes one, any trips to the probowl will be infrequent.

It should come as no surprise. Newman has been overhyped by many Cowboy fans.

He's a very good CB. He's not a game changer like Williams or Ware. Sadly, Ware has had more great and game changing plays in 30 games than Newman has had in 4 seasons. Think abou that for second. A guy coming from a smaller school and changing positions.

I starting to believe the only reason Newman was drafted with the 5th overall pick was because he was a great collegiate Special teams guy and played some on offense too. Even Deion on pathetic teams was able to find the Endzone on punt returns.

Newman hasn't lived up the 5th overall pick. I like the guy, but the Newman koolaid is sickening. Even Aaron Glenn has made more game changing plays. Anthony Henry at one time last year was the best defensive player on the team..............

Can Newman pick off a pass and take it to the house atleast once. Can I get a glimpse of 41 flying down the field with everyone in his rear view mirror

 

[JPM]

Link?

It was the press conf the week after the Colts game.

 

[Oh_Canada]

D'Angelo Hall IS without question the most overrated player in the NFL.

 

[Future]

Not according to the official stats, Newman was given the TD against, so once again you are wrong...deal with it.

I have to agree with HH :

I think Newman was switching WR and thought Henry would also...it was more of miscommunication than blown coverage IMO

 

[Screw The Hall]

I don't think players look at how many td's were given up...I think they look at tackles, interceptions, td's scored. I think coaches look at guys who give up some plays but who also give the ball back to the offense.

I also think that DB's who play for teams that man-up most of the time get more respect than DB's who play more zone.

It's legitimate to argue for our own guy, and TNew deserves it, but let's not act silly and indignant and pretend that watching ESPN makes us more knowledgable about players than the coaches and players who probably watch more game film in a season than we've watched in our lives.

They like guys who make plays, not just guys who cover well, and as much as we love him, we all have to admit that TNew has not learned to play the ball or is forced to play techniques that don't lend themselves to playing the ball...he has never been an INT guy, and until he becomes one, any trips to the probowl will be infrequent.

They don't pay attention to how many TD's were given up? You must be right ... but for god sakes why not? There's a big reason why most every teams stay away from TNew most of the game ... there's no money in it.

I agree with you about his ball skills. He does need to make more plays when given the opportunity. But man come on Hall and Newman's seasons this year aren't even close. No one stays away from DeAngello ... why? Because you can win the game against that corner more times than not by going right at him.

You want to snub TNew fine. But you won't convince me by allowing Hall to be there instead. Because quite simply they aren't in the same class.

 

[The30YardSlant]

It was the press conf the week after the Colts game.

Then there's a video and a written account of it. Please post.

 

[Screw The Hall]

It should come as no surprise. Newman has been overhyped by many Cowboy fans.

He's a very good CB. He's not a game changer like Williams or Ware. Sadly, Ware has had more great and game changing plays in 30 games than Newman has had in 4 seasons. Think abou that for second. A guy coming from a smaller school and changing positions.

I starting to believe the only reason Newman was drafted with the 5th overall pick was because he was a great collegiate Special teams guy and played some on offense too. Even Deion on pathetic teams was able to find the Endzone on punt returns.

Newman hasn't lived up the 5th overall pick. I like the guy, but the Newman koolaid is sickening. Even Aaron Glenn has made more game changing plays. Anthony Henry at one time last year was the best defensive player on the team..............

Can Newman pick off a pass and take it to the house atleast once. Can I get a glimpse of 41 flying down the field with everyone in his rear view mirror

So are you saying that AGlenn and Henry are better corners than TNew? That Hall is? Or are you just saying he needs to make more plays when given the opportunity?

Because I would agree with the last question but I think whoever thinks the previous 3 are true is crazy. I also think he's been well worth the 5th pick in that draft. And I challenge whoever doesn't to find 5 picks that went in the 1st round of that draft that you'd rather have.

 

[Charles]

So are you saying that AGlenn and Henry are better corners than TNew?

At some aspects of playing the position YES Glenn and Henry are much better. Glenn is much better at baiting and attacking the point. Henry is great a smothering WR at the line of scrimmage. Newman makes up for most of his deficiencies with his speed and quickness, but unlike Deion or Hall he's not great at utilising his speed to make game changing plays like Ware or Roy do with the abilities.

That Hall is?

Yes, Hall is better, one bad year doesn't erase the past. Nothing changed with Newman, he's good, but also soooooooo nondescript.

Everyone harps on the few TDs given up, but what if he gets beat for a pass into the Red zone, then the opposing team decide to run it in or go after another defensive player, Newman also bares the responsibility, plus he rarely if ever gets picks while anticipating plays going away from him. Deion and Hall have the uncanny ability to know when to assist and get easy picks. Newman sticks to his man. Deion often seemed to pick off passes in no man lands.....meaning he was confident enough to leave his man and assist.

Or are you just saying he needs to make more plays when given the opportunity?

Thats exactly what he needs to do. Whats the value of picking a CB 5th overall when they can't even sniff the Endzone by mistake. Even Mario Edwards got lucky.

Because I would agree with the last question but I think whoever thinks the previous 3 are true is crazy. I also think he's been well worth the 5th pick in that draft.

If compared to other elite CBs taken that high. Newman is severly lacking. When you think of Ty Law you don't think about how many TDs or passes he's given up. The first thing that comes to mind is unbelievable run support and game changing hits or INTs.

Even Adam "Pacman" Jones has made more game changing plays for the Titans. Newman hasn't done squat on special teams or on offense.........that is why he was drafted 5th overall, not because of his covering skills, which have proven to be good at best on the NFL level.

Newman = Nondescript

 

[Jimz31]

Newman was the guy that was worst jobbed of any player in the NFL not selected for the ProBowl!!!!!! AGAIN FREAKING BS!!!!!

Couldn't agree more.

 

[JPM]

Then there's a video and a written account of it. Please post.

You find it, I know what I heard.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You find it, I know waht I heard.

Don't worry, so do the rest of us.

 

[speedkilz88]

But let's also realize that a player for, say, the San Diego Chargers -- or substitute any AFC or even a non-divisional NFC team -- probably sees LESS of our team than we do. Just like Parcells was saying last week, each team has to focus so much on the upcoming opponent and particularly the players they will face that week, they don't always know what's going on around the league. And players on other defenses don't watch game films of other defenses, they only watch offenses they're going to play. So a defensive lineman in Cleveland probably doesn't know any better who the best NFC corners are are than your average fan who pays attention to the league.

Only nfc players and coaches vote for the nfc team.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Only nfc players and coaches vote for the nfc team.

Ouch!

Oh well, I'll go with the rest of my points. :