Tnew vs Hall

[speedkilz88]

Then there's a video and a written account of it. Please post.

He's telling the truth, so you look it up.

 

[burmafrd]

Charles is so funny. Yes Hall makes game changing plays- he gives up 3 long TDs per everyone he scores. Can he really be that ignorant?

 

[Screw The Hall]

Glenn is much better at baiting and attacking the point. Henry is great a smothering WR at the line of scrimmage.

With Glenn I agree with you he is better at attacking the ball but then when you are responsible for the other teams number one as much as Newman is it adds a different element to that equation.

With Henry he has to be better at being physical at the line of scrimmage ... his assets are his size and strength. If he doesn't use those to his advantage he's toast ... so that strength of his is born out of necessity.

With all that said Newman is a much better corner than either of them overall. Just think about Newman out of the lineup for an extended period if you don't think so. Do you really want AGlenn to have the bulk of the responsibility against the S Smiths of the league? I don't.

Yes, Hall is better, one bad year doesn't erase the past. Nothing changed with Newman, he's good, but also soooooooo nondescript.

Everyone harps on the few TDs given up, but what if he gets beat for a pass into the Red zone, then the opposing team decide to run it in or go after another defensive player, Newman also bares the responsibility, plus he rarely if ever gets picks while anticipating plays going away from him. Deion and Hall have the uncanny ability to know when to assist and get easy picks. Newman sticks to his man. Deion often seemed to pick off passes in no man lands.....meaning he was confident enough to leave his man and assist.

This is where I disagree with you most.

Number one by admitting Hall is having a bad year I'm guessing you agree with me he has no business going to Hawaii regardless of whether you think Newman should be there or not. So I won't argue how he's been toasted repeatedly this year.

But I think he's been overrated all along even before this year. Comparing his and Deion's anticipation for the ball is off base IMO. Deion anticipated Hall gambles ... that's the difference for me.

Deion was the best ever at knowing when to make a break on the ball Hall just does it but not with the same uncanny sixth sense that Primetime had of when to do it.

Sometimes it works for Hall and a big play is born. But he's just as apt to give up a big play and that tendency didn't originate this year ... it just has gotten worse.

The brass tax for me is that a corners 1st responsibility should be to shutdown the man he's covering as best he can ... 2nd to make the big play when he has the opportunity ... and 3rd to be a good football player in all other respects like tackling,blitzing, and being a team first guy.

Newman takes care of that first responsibility as well as anyone can possibly expect. His completion % and TD % against are off the charts ... as good or better than any other corner in the league. That's not something to be taken lightly ... it's a corners primary responsibility. Hall severely lacks in this element as far as elite corners are concerned. I mean he's not close to being top notch in this respect.

The scripts are reversed for the 2nd element of making big plays when given the opportunity. But understand Hall accomplishes this by compromising his first responsibility. That's why he can't be compared to Deion. Deion for all the showboating shut you down first then made the big plays. Hall makes big plays at the expense of being solid. That's not acceptable to me.

Newman is far and away the better tackler, he's better in the locker room, and off the field. So element number 3 is all Newman.

To be completely fair it's not right to measure either player to Deion he trumps both at what they do best.

But Newman takes care of the business of being solid before worrying about the flash. Hall is the opposite. Your corners will get you beat way more often by giving up big plays than they will win by making big plays. So give me Newman everyday of the week and four times on Sunday. To me it's not even close.

 

[burmafrd]

That is what so many so called experts and wannabes keep ignoring- the PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of a CB is to PREVENT catches. Newman does that better then anyone else including Champ. Hall is not even in the same zipcode.

 

[InmanRoshi]

No one, fans media or players, has the first clue as to what makes a good CB unless they watch the player game in and game out, since the real indictor stats for CB's are not frequently used. Its mostly based around hype and name recognition.

If Terrence did more to draw attention to himself like Hall does ... trash talked, did a celebration dance every time a pass he was defending fell incomplete, said quotable things in the newspapers ... he would probably get in the Pro Bowl. Likely quite easily. But, I'm sorry, to say DeAngelo Hall is a better cornerback is absolutely laughable. Better self promoter? Sure. And when you play a position without any real indicative stats for people to go by, like CB or OL, that's all that matters.

 

[JPM]

No one, fans media or players, has the first clue as to what makes a good CB unless they watch the player game in and game out, since the real indictor stats for CB's are not frequently used. Its mostly based around hype and name recognition.

If Terrence did more to draw attention to himself like Hall does ... trash talked, did a celebration dance every time a pass he was defending fell incomplete, said quotable things in the newspapers ... he would probably get in the Pro Bowl. Likely quite easily. But, I'm sorry, to say DeAngelo Hall is a better cornerback is absolutely laughable. Better self promoter? Sure. And when you play a position without any real indicative stats for people to go by, like CB or OL, that's all that matters.

It's too bad Newman is a classy person.

 

[Screw The Hall]

No one, fans media or players, has the first clue as to what makes a good CB unless they watch the player game in and game out, since the real indictor stats for CB's are not frequently used. Its mostly based around hype and name recognition.

If Terrence did more to draw attention to himself like Hall does ... trash talked, did a celebration dance every time a pass he was defending fell incomplete, said quotable things in the newspapers ... he would probably get in the Pro Bowl. Likely quite easily. But, I'm sorry, to say DeAngelo Hall is a better cornerback is absolutely laughable. Better self promoter? Sure. And when you play a position without any real indicative stats for people to go by, like CB or OL, that's all that matters.

I think Chad Johnson's idiotic assertion that Hall is the best corner in the league has done more for his career than anything he has done on the field himself.

All the so called experts started really paying attention to him at exactly that point in time.

 

[yeaman]

It's too bad Newman is a classy person.

too bad

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Terence Newman doesn't get the ball thrown at him often because teams know he's too good... I'm tired of the snubs due to lack of knowledge about NFL football!

 

[smarta5150]

Its pretty ironic that D-Hall gets in a few days after he gets beat up and down the field by a NON-Pro Bowler in TO.

 

[MapleLeaf]

when you are responsible for the other teams number one as much as Newman is it adds a different element to that equation.

...this statement is accurate. For the majority of Newman's young career in Zimmer's defence he was responsible for his side of the field. He's followed a #1 receiver every so often,but it hasn't been the situation exclusively.

Also Newman's case is made worse by the amount of times he is held in zone coverage. If you want the pro bowl you have to be running stride for stride in man to man day in and day out.

That puts you more in the spotlight. As others have said before, self promotion is another part of the equation.

 

[Screw The Hall]

...this statement is accurate. For the majority of Newman's young career in Zimmer's defence he was responsible for his side of the field. He's followed a #1 receiver every so often,but it hasn't been the situation exclusively.

Also Newman's case is made worse by the amount of times he is held in zone coverage. If you want the pro bowl you have to be running stride for stride in man to man day in and day out.

That puts you more in the spotlight. As others have said before, self promotion is another part of the equation.

I never said that was the case exclusively. I simply said that AGlenn has some advantages that TNew doesn't have when dissecting their aggressiveness in coverage.

Let Glenn be responsible for shadowing S Smith and others like him as often as TNew does and I guarantee you he either curbs his aggressiveness or pays the price for it. That was my point.

As far as having to run stride for stride day in day out in man coverage to make the probowl that has never been the case for Ronde Barber. He has played his entire career almost exclusively in zone but books flights to Hawaii with regularity. He deserves it too.