To all you Roy Williams bashers out there

[Eskimo]

Good players will have sub-par seasons now and then, especially when they switch teams/systems. RW has had seasons where he has played like a true #1 WR (would you be happy if he had 82 rec for 1,310 yds next year?). We gave up draft picks for him and likely overpaid because he's a young WR who we thought would still improve. That could still be the case even though he hasn't done so yet. Sorry, but I don't agree with your proposition that RW is playing at his ceiling right now.

It may be hard to admit, but this is probably as good as he is going to play for us. Maybe if you bring in a different HC & OC and/or a different QB RW can be motivated to improve. He is not magically going to improve at this stage of his career. This is more than a down year like one some players might have with a major injury or when there starting QB goes down. He has been healthy, Romo has been playing at a Pro Bowl level. He just doesn't seem to get much separation in man coverage and doesn't seem to be able to catch the ball in tight quarters. His speed also looks like it is completely gone - he couldn't even catch up to Witten on Sunday night to throw a block.

I really don't care if he is successful elsewhere in the end because he is not going to be successful here.

 

[fan62]

I am not an RW supporter so far,
but
I saw no one else getting into the open for Romo to throw to. At least one had completely given up. The rest were completely covered and couldnt find open space. Except for RW! Thank "the almighty" he was there trying!

 

[RamziD]

It may be hard to admit, but this is probably as good as he is going to play for us. Maybe if you bring in a different HC & OC and/or a different QB RW can be motivated to improve. He is not magically going to improve at this stage of his career. This is more than a down year like one some players might have with a major injury or when there starting QB goes down. He has been healthy, Romo has been playing at a Pro Bowl level. He just doesn't seem to get much separation in man coverage and doesn't seem to be able to catch the ball in tight quarters. His speed also looks like it is completely gone - he couldn't even catch up to Witten on Sunday night to throw a block.

I really don't care if he is successful elsewhere in the end because he is not going to be successful here.

How do you know? Sounds like pure speculation to me. At least I have the facts to support that RW is not playing at his ceiling and can still play much better for us. It's obvious you have an agenda and are not worth having a discussion with.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It really doesn't bother me either, the fact that we are overpaying RW. My point is, he's simply not worth the $ we are paying him. That's all. I'd rather reward Ratliff or someone else who is ALREADY deserving of the $ than RW, who is deserving of WR #2 monies but getting paid WR#1 monies. That's it.

C'mon Sarge.

Roy Williams has the best hands in the NFL. He said it himself last week :laugh2: .

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Nice. According to you, Kevin Ogletree, in his half-a-dozen or so snaps this year, has proven to be a better receiver than Roy Williams.

Nope.

Roy Williams is a better player then Kevin Ogletree because he has more "experience".

However, Kevin Ogletree has taken advantage of just about every opportunity given to him and has played well enough to warrant more playing time.

I forget which game it was, but Jerry Jones himself said it was time to get Kevin Ogletree some more playing time.

 

[Sarge]

C'mon Sarge.

Roy Williams has the best hands in the NFL. He said it himself last week :laugh2: .

He's a head scratcher to say the least.

 

[Eskimo]

How do you know? Sounds like pure speculation to me. At least I have the facts to support that RW is not playing at his ceiling and can still play much better for us. It's obvious you have an agenda and are not worth having a discussion with.

The pure speculation is that he is going to play better in the future.

Evidence has been gathered in 20+ games indicate that is unlikely.

Sorry to burst your Roy fandom bubble. He is washed up and it is obvious to anyone without UT or silver-and-blue tinted glasses on.

Are you going to change teams if/when Roy is traded/released?

 

[RamziD]

The pure speculation is that he is going to play better in the future.

Evidence has been gathered in 20+ games indicate that is unlikely.

Sorry to burst your Roy fandom bubble. He is washed up and it is obvious to anyone without UT or silver-and-blue tinted glasses on.

Are you going to change teams if/when Roy is traded/released?

The evidence I have are the 4 seasons of better stats that RW accumulated in Detroit, including 82 rec for 1310 yds. He's shown he can do it, so the potential is there. You're saying that RW won't be any more productive in Dallas than he is right now...this based on 20 games. By that logic, you could've said the same thing about Miles Austin during his last 3 years.

You're ignorance is out of this world. I have no more use for you.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The evidence I have are the 4 seasons of better stats that RW accumulated in Detroit, including 82 rec for 1310 yds. He's shown he can do it, so the potential is there. You're saying that RW won't be any more productive in Dallas than he is right now...this based on 20 games. By that logic, you could've said the same thing about Miles Austin during his last 3 years.

You're ignorance is out of this world. I have no more use for you.

Detroit was constantly heaving the ball down the field because they were behind in almost every game. His stats are heavily inflated. Not to mention he was in a wide open offense.

If Roy didn't put his foot in his mouth every single week it would be one thing, but he never shuts up.

 

[diehard2294]

The evidence I have are the 4 seasons of better stats that RW accumulated in Detroit, including 82 rec for 1310 yds. He's shown he can do it, so the potential is there. You're saying that RW won't be any more productive in Dallas than he is right now...this based on 20 games. By that logic, you could've said the same thing about Miles Austin during his last 3 years.

You're ignorance is out of this world. I have no more use for you.

you mean that same detroit team that was constantly playing from behind and had to throw the ball to catch up! now I wont say that's his fault either but it certainly helps a players stats when your in catch up mode

 

[diehard2294]

Detroit was constantly heaving the ball down the field because they were behind in almost every game. His stats are heavily inflated. Not to mention he was in a wide open offense.

If Roy didn't put his foot in his mouth every single week it would be one thing, but he never shuts up.

beat me too it

 

[Eskimo]

The evidence I have are the 4 seasons of better stats that RW accumulated in Detroit, including 82 rec for 1310 yds. He's shown he can do it, so the potential is there. You're saying that RW won't be any more productive in Dallas than he is right now...this based on 20 games. By that logic, you could've said the same thing about Miles Austin during his last 3 years.

You're ignorance is out of this world. I have no more use for you.

The difference is that Miles was a green rookie with lots of room to improve from NFL quality coaching, work in the weight room and game/practice time spent with pros. Then he didn't really begin to polish his game until his 3rd season in the league which was hampered by injuries before emerging in his fourth year.

Roy is a former Pro Bowler who has lost his way and it has been 3 full seasons since he has put up 1000 yards which is the minimum I would expect of a #1 quality WR under most circumstances.

2008 he put up under 450 yards
2009 he has put up under 600 yards so far

Jones isn't about to give up on him yet, IMO. But Roy should have to earn his playing time from now on and shouldn't be handed the starting job at the start of TC. If that doesn't stoke his competitive fires, nothing will and he will be officially done as a top quality WR.

It is not unheard of for a top athlete to lose it after being dominant early in their careers. The longer he drifts away from a dominant year, the less likely it becomes that he will re-establish himself.

To be honest, I am as surprised as everyone else that he has tanked this badly. I didn't think he was worth the package we traded because I thought he was going to be a UFA in the offseason. I also thought we needed those picks for LB and OL. We still need those picks for LB and OL and we are no better off at WR so that is very frustrating to me as a Cowboys fan.

Would I like for Roy to turn his season around and be great in the playoffs - yes.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

As long as the Cowboys continue to win, I don't care what RW does, unless the drops become a deciding factor in us losing games.

We should care. When Austin and Jason carry all the load, they get all the coverage.

RW is no longer a weapon.

Straight up, even when he is not losing games for us with his inopportune drops, RW is a liability.
Your thesis is flawed and silly, as you are prone.
You know it, I know, it Bob Dole knows it.

Silly, silly drivel in defense of as of yet a subpar player with lots of excuses.