To all you Roy Williams bashers out there

[TwoCentPlain]

okay, let's play Roy Williams in the red zone and Ogletree outside the red zone. Ogletree sets it up and Roy finishes with a TD. Works for me.

 

[DallasEast]

Thank ***. It was almost 10 minutes since the last RW thread.

 

[RamziD]

I really don't understand why so many of you ladies get sand in your cooch over the fact that our #2 WR is being paid #1 money and vice versa. Miles Austin has stepped up his game big-time, and thank goodness for that, otherwise we wouldn't be in this position. Roy Williams hasn't played up to expectations (which is very frustrating, I agree) but is still contributing and putting up good #2 WR numbers. Despite what the reactionists will tell you, RW is still a very talented receiver and has the potential to improve his connection with Romo and put up better numbers every season. It's Jerry's money and he understands how to spend it, so stop needlessly worrying - no one player's contract is going to keep us from keeping the core of this team together.

 

[Sarge]

I really don't understand why so many of you ladies get sand in your cooch over the fact that our #2 WR is being paid #1 money and vice versa. Miles Austin has stepped up his game big-time, and thank goodness for that, otherwise we wouldn't be in this position. Roy Williams hasn't played up to expectations (which is very frustrating, I agree) but is still contributing and putting up good #2 WR numbers. Despite what the reactionists will tell you, RW is still a very talented receiver and has the potential to improve his connection with Romo and put up better numbers every season. It's Jerry's money and he understands how to spend it, so stop needlessly worrying - no one player's contract is going to keep us from keeping the core of this team together.

Because he is being SERIOUSLY overpaid for what he is producing (or not producing). That is money that could potentially be spent elswhere. You want to get your bang for your buck ALWAYS.

There will come a time when we have to ante up to keep Miles. We don't want to be screwing that up (if we have a cap) by overpaying RW.

It's not rational to justify paying RW what we do, because we are underpaying Miles. Bad business.

 

[Sickwitit]

I really don't understand why so many of you ladies get sand in your cooch over the fact that our #2 WR is being paid #1 money and vice versa. Miles Austin has stepped up his game big-time, and thank goodness for that, otherwise we wouldn't be in this position. Roy Williams hasn't played up to expectations (which is very frustrating, I agree) but is still contributing and putting up good #2 WR numbers. Despite what the reactionists will tell you, RW is still a very talented receiver and has the potential to improve his connection with Romo and put up better numbers every season. It's Jerry's money and he understands how to spend it, so stop needlessly worrying - no one player's contract is going to keep us from keeping the core of this team together.

now that is a good post...people act as if hes hurting the team and that is soooo far from the truth is not even worth mentioning HE HELPS THIS TEAM!

 

[RamziD]

Because he is being SERIOUSLY overpaid for what he is producing (or not producing). That is money that could potentially be spent elswhere. You want to get your bang for your buck ALWAYS.

There will come a time when we have to ante up to keep Miles. We don't want to be screwing that up (if we have a cap) by overpaying RW.

It's not rational to justify paying RW what we do, because we are underpaying Miles. Bad business.

Roy Williams' contract is not going to keep us from eventually signing Miles to a #1 WR contract (this is assuming that Miles has another season like this one and that he will not be an UFA until 2011 b/c of the uncapped year). Good teams find a way to keep their players and if you doubt the Jones family's willingness to do this, then you just haven't been paying attention.

 

[Sarge]

Roy Williams' contract is not going to keep us from eventually signing Miles to a #1 WR contract (this is assuming that Miles has another season like this one and that he will not be an UFA until 2011 b/c of the uncapped year). Good teams find a way to keep their players and if you doubt the Jones family's willingness to do this, then you just haven't been paying attention.

That still does not address the fact that we are overpaying RW. Should we dump him? No. Does he suck? No. Is h eworthless, as some suggest? No..................Is he overpaid..yes.

That is my point.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Thank ***. It was almost 10 minutes since the last RW thread.

Note to profanity filter: G O D and C H R I S T, (as in Christmas) are NOT naughty words!

 

[Eskimo]

I really don't understand why so many of you ladies get sand in your cooch over the fact that our #2 WR is being paid #1 money and vice versa. Miles Austin has stepped up his game big-time, and thank goodness for that, otherwise we wouldn't be in this position. Roy Williams hasn't played up to expectations (which is very frustrating, I agree) but is still contributing and putting up good #2 WR numbers. Despite what the reactionists will tell you, RW is still a very talented receiver and has the potential to improve his connection with Romo and put up better numbers every season. It's Jerry's money and he understands how to spend it, so stop needlessly worrying - no one player's contract is going to keep us from keeping the core of this team together.

Roy's numbers are not particularly good for a #2WR and they are worse than the numbers Crayton put up as the #2 back in 2007. What I recall back then is many thought Crayton wasn't good enough at the #2 because of so-so numbers and a critical drop against the Giants. So if Crayton wasn't good enough at the #2, why is RW good enough to be the #2?

This question is lobbed over to all the RW supporters.

The second point about Jerry's money is incorrect. He may technically own the Cowboys, but I think it really belongs to all of the fans collectively as an entity far greater than its physical assets, FO staff and players. The problem with it being looked at as "just Jerry's money" is that there is a salary cap. If there were no salary cap and Jerry were willing to dip into his pocket and correct any mistake he made, that would be fine. But right now his mistakes can't be corrected by his money alone as even in perhaps the short-lived "no cap era" there are lots of restrictions on player movement so he may not be able to just go and buy out of his mistakes. He still needs to acquire the players primarily through draft and UDFAs and the odd UFAs that are available and we are allowed to sign. The picks he gave up for RW have severely impacted our ability to acquire players to shore up problem areas of the team.

Roy is a problem. I expect Jerry to make the best decision for the Cowboys irrespective of his ego. If the best decision is to keep Roy then he has to let Roy know he needs to earn his playing time and he needs to work hard. No more coddling from the coaching staff. If he isn''t doing things the proper way, he can be benched.

 

[RamziD]

That still does not address the fact that we are overpaying RW. Should we dump him? No. Does he suck? No. Is h eworthless, as some suggest? No..................Is he overpaid..yes.

That is my point.

I don't disagree that RW hasn't had the production of a #1 WR. It's in my first post: I say he's a #2 WR (at least for now) making #1 WR money. So, as of right now, he is technically overpaid. No contention there. My question, again, is why do so many of you get absolutely apoplectic over this? You answered by saying that it will prohibit us from re-signing other talented players on this team. I don't see that to be the case.

 

[gimmesix]

That still does not address the fact that we are overpaying RW. Should we dump him? No. Does he suck? No. Is h eworthless, as some suggest? No..................Is he overpaid..yes.

That is my point.

I can get behind this post. But it doesn't really bother me that he's overpaid. If this was the mid-1990s Cowboys who were figuring out how to manipulate the salary cap, I'd be concerned. However, the Joneses now know how to work the cap to keep who they want, so it doesn't bother me.

The lost draft picks are in the past, and if the price of Williams doesn't hurt us, then all I'm concerned about is what he can do now to help this team.

The past couple of weeks, even though he's had a couple of big catches, have got people piling on him again, but we've seen a better rapport between him and Romo and that's reason to hope his contributions will rise.

 

[RamziD]

Roy's numbers are not particularly good for a #2WR and they are worse than the numbers Crayton put up as the #2 back in 2007. What I recall back then is many thought Crayton wasn't good enough at the #2 because of so-so numbers and a critical drop against the Giants. So if Crayton wasn't good enough at the #2, why is RW good enough to be the #2?

This question is lobbed over to all the RW supporters.

The second point about Jerry's money is incorrect. He may technically own the Cowboys, but I think it really belongs to all of the fans collectively as an entity far greater than its physical assets, FO staff and players. The problem with it being looked at as "just Jerry's money" is that there is a salary cap. If there were no salary cap and Jerry were willing to dip into his pocket and correct any mistake he made, that would be fine. But right now his mistakes can't be corrected by his money alone as even in perhaps the short-lived "no cap era" there are lots of restrictions on player movement so he may not be able to just go and buy out of his mistakes. He still needs to acquire the players primarily through draft and UDFAs and the odd UFAs that are available and we are allowed to sign. The picks he gave up for RW have severely impacted our ability to acquire players to shore up problem areas of the team.

Roy is a problem. I expect Jerry to make the best decision for the Cowboys irrespective of his ego. If the best decision is to keep Roy then he has to let Roy know he needs to earn his playing time and he needs to work hard. No more coddling from the coaching staff. If he isn''t doing things the proper way, he can be benched.

Because RW has proven that, not only can he put up good #2 WR numbers, but he can actually be a team's reliable #1 WR. If you invest a lot of money in a player, you're not going to throw him to the wolves after 1 less than stellar season. If he's still producing similar numbers after the 2011 season, I'll be the first one to wish him luck elsewhere.

Your point about the fans collectively owning the Cowboys is, I'm sorry, just pure BS.

 

[Sarge]

I don't disagree that RW hasn't had the production of a #1 WR. It's in my first post: I say he's a #2 WR (at least for now) making #1 WR money. So, as of right now, he is technically overpaid. No contention there. My question, again, is why do so many of you get absolutely apoplectic over this? You answered by saying that it will prohibit us from re-signing other talented players on this team. I don't see that to be the case.

Good, then we agree. For the record, I never said overpaying RW "will prohibit us from resigning other talented players etc." I said we don't want to be screwing things up by overpaying RW...meaning, the potential is there.

My main point was we are overpaying RW bigtime and we have given up a lot for him. There is no question he is tying up too much money.

 

[Bleu Star]

I really don't understand why so many of you ladies get sand in your cooch over the fact that our #2 WR is being paid #1 money and vice versa. Miles Austin has stepped up his game big-time, and thank goodness for that, otherwise we wouldn't be in this position. Roy Williams hasn't played up to expectations (which is very frustrating, I agree) but is still contributing and putting up good #2 WR numbers. Despite what the reactionists will tell you, RW is still a very talented receiver and has the potential to improve his connection with Romo and put up better numbers every season. It's Jerry's money and he understands how to spend it, so stop needlessly worrying - no one player's contract is going to keep us from keeping the core of this team together.

Roy Wiliams 2009 salary: $6,667,385

Kevin Ogletree's 2009 salary: < $500,000

Kevin's better. It's not rocket science.

 

[Sarge]

I can get behind this post. But it doesn't really bother me that he's overpaid. If this was the mid-1990s Cowboys who were figuring out how to manipulate the salary cap, I'd be concerned. However, the Joneses now know how to work the cap to keep who they want, so it doesn't bother me.

The lost draft picks are in the past, and if the price of Williams doesn't hurt us, then all I'm concerned about is what he can do now to help this team.

The past couple of weeks, even though he's had a couple of big catches, have got people piling on him again, but we've seen a better rapport between him and Romo and that's reason to hope his contributions will rise.

It really doesn't bother me either, the fact that we are overpaying RW. My point is, he's simply not worth the $ we are paying him. That's all. I'd rather reward Ratliff or someone else who is ALREADY deserving of the $ than RW, who is deserving of WR #2 monies but getting paid WR#1 monies. That's it.

 

[RamziD]

Roy Wiliams 2009 salary: $6,667,385

Kevin Ogletree's 2009 salary: < $500,000

Kevin's better. It's not rocket science.

Nice. According to you, Kevin Ogletree, in his half-a-dozen or so snaps this year, has proven to be a better receiver than Roy Williams.

 

[Cover 2]

Nice. According to you, Kevin Ogletree, in his half-a-dozen or so snaps this year, has proven to be a better receiver than Roy Williams. That tells me all I need to know about your reasoning skills and maturity level. That's the posting of a frantic, overly dramatic, child.

Babe Laufenberg thinks Ogletree is better than Roy.

 

[Eskimo]

Because RW has proven that, not only can he put up good #2 WR numbers, but he can actually be a team's reliable #1 WR. If you invest a lot of money in a player, you're not going to throw him to the wolves after 1 less than stellar season. If he's still producing similar numbers after the 2011 season, I'll be the first one to wish him luck elsewhere.

Your point about the fans collectively owning the Cowboys is, I'm sorry, just pure BS.

He has been in the league six seasons. This is as good as he is going to get unless he suddenly develops a work ethic which is exteremely unlikely.

The past 20 games with us show he is no better than a borderline #2 WR in terms of production with our Pro Bowl QB at the helm. Why in the world should he get two more seasons to turn him around when the odds suggest that it is extraordinarily unlikely. His presence will inhibit our ability to develop a good complement to Austin. If you don't give a player playing time in games he will not be able to refine his game enough to be a quality player.

I think if Roy is kept it is under the understanding that he is competing for the #2 and #3 WR spots on the roster. Playing time henceforth will be dependent on production.

The coddling of him needs to end. It is not doing him or the team any good.

 

[RamziD]

He has been in the league six seasons. This is as good as he is going to get unless he suddenly develops a work ethic which is exteremely unlikely.

The past 20 games with us show he is no better than a borderline #2 WR in terms of production with our Pro Bowl QB at the helm. Why in the world should he get two more seasons to turn him around when the odds suggest that it is extraordinarily unlikely. His presence will inhibit our ability to develop a good complement to Austin. If you don't give a player playing time in games he will not be able to refine his game enough to be a quality player.

I think if Roy is kept it is under the understanding that he is competing for the #2 and #3 WR spots on the roster. Playing time henceforth will be dependent on production.

The coddling of him needs to end. It is not doing him or the team any good.

Good players will have sub-par seasons now and then, especially when they switch teams/systems. RW has had seasons where he has played like a true #1 WR (would you be happy if he had 82 rec for 1,310 yds next year?). We gave up draft picks for him and likely overpaid because he's a young WR who we thought would still improve. That could still be the case even though he hasn't done so yet. Sorry, but I don't agree with your proposition that RW is playing at his ceiling right now.

 

[Sixert]

It seems like most are forgetting that Roy has 7 TD's on the season, which is second on the team and ranks tied for 16 in the league. Then theres also the fact that he had a TD last night (heck of a play by Romo), but you guys want to forget about that one and focus on his drops. One of the drops i honestly thought was PI live and have yet to see a replay and the other drop was a simple case of turning his head and trying to run before he caught the ball. Comeon who hasnt had one of those before, haha im sure everyone on here has done it playing back yard football AT LEAST ONCE in our lives and other professionals do it quite a bit themselves.

Everyone wants to complain about all the drops that he has had this year, if you had any common sense and knew football, you would know that at least half if not more were on poorly thrown balls. They were either behind him on a slant route where he had to reach back across his body and try to snag or over thrown like in the Green Bay game (btw he could have just let the ball go and not made an attempt, but he tried catching it and paid the price of cracked ribs). It seems like you didnt notice the ball that was over thrown in the endzone that Austin got his hand on, but wasnt able to come down with or the pass the Crayton dropped last night (although he got his wig split) and he has had a history of dropped balls in the past as well. Speaking of Crayton all of you guys saying we should start him over Roy, do you not remember that earlier in the year PC was a starter and lost his job to Austin, obviously he wasnt producing enough then to remain a starter, so what on earth makes you think you can do it now?

I'll be honest before this year I thought you was going to a great season. Has he? Most would say no and i partially agree, but you cant say he has had a terrible one either. Like i said before when it comes to tds hes tied for 16, which isnt bad at all. Could be better, but im not complaining bc the team is winning games and has a chance to win the east and the way their playing make a deep run in the playoffs. Something just isnt right with him and Romos timing, although i will say it has gotten better as the season has progressed. With that being said just think about how much more it will improve over the next few games and after another offseason together. It seems like most of the Roy Williams bashers out there that want him released asap are forgetting that him and Romo have only had one offseason together and dont think that they can improve their chemistry with more time together.

Heres an interesting link to an article from the Washington Post when it comes to dropped passes thru Dec. 27. Look and see where the name Roy Williams is. You might be surprised as to see whose above and tied with him.http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

Roy!!! Get off this message Board. Players not allowed....