TO is owning & So is Quinn

[joseephuss]

I'm sorry. Did we just now sign Austin or has he been with us for some time? Austin is not his replacement. We are scoring m ore and have more yards in spite of Roy.

My whole point has been if TO would not have left and we had not gotten Roy, we would not have these atrocious offensive outings like we had the last two weeks.

Geez, do you people hate one guy so much you can't even understand simple football?

The whole reason they got Roy last season is because the offense was struggling and one of those games they struggled in was against the Commanders.

I don't hate TO. Is time was just through in Dallas. Sometimes you have to move on for the betterment of both parties. He wasn't going to produce like he did in 2006 and 2007.

Austin has been with Dallas since 2006. He was a project who was not active for most of 2006. One of the reasons Jerry cited for letting TO go when he did was that Austin had sufficiently developed to lessen the impact of losing TO. Sounds like Austin was a part of the replacement plan to me and it has worked out that way as well.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The whole reason they got Roy last season is because the offense was struggling and one of those games they struggled in was against the Commanders.

I don't hate TO. Is time was just through in Dallas. Sometimes you have to move on for the betterment of both parties. He wasn't going to produce like he did in 2006 and 2007.

Austin has been with Dallas since 2006. He was a project who was not active for most of 2006. One of the reasons Jerry cited for letting TO go when he did was that Austin had sufficiently developed to lessen the impact of losing TO. Sounds like Austin was a part of the replacement plan to me and it has worked out that way as well.

I wouldn't call 2 touchdowns in the last 8 quarters working out well if that was the plan.

 

[joseephuss]

I wouldn't call 2 touchdowns in the last 8 quarters working out well if that was the plan.

That is a small sample size. If we look at those 8 quarter you can't say it is all on Roy. Tony has made some bad throws, Barber had a big fumble and so on and so on. Stuff that TO would not have helped with had he still been here. TO can't control Barber fumbling. Looking at a bigger sample size of all 10 games played this year the offense is doing better than last year.

If Dallas is still struggling for several more games then maybe we can look back and say TO may have made a difference. Of course we also have to consider that if the offense struggled and TO was still on the team that the circus would be huge in Dallas. That is a big factor as to why he is gone.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Of course it doesn't compute because it's not a good football argument. Do you really think we would have had the poor outings if Roy would be putting up the numbers that TO did last year?

You mean like the numbers TO put up against Tampa last year...5 catches for 33 yards and no TDs?

Or the numbers TO put against Washington last year 5 catches for 38 yards and zero TDs?

Or the numbers TO put up against Pittsburgh last year with 3 catches for 32 yards and 1 TD?

Or the numbers TO put up against the Rams with 2 catches for 31 yards and no TDs?

In 2008 through week 11 with TO we averaged 23 points a game.

In 2009 through week 11 without TO we have averaged 23 points a game.

Neither of the points above (08 or 09) take into account defensive scores as I am too lazy to look into that so it is just from the total scores.

So it would seem we are on the same pace without TO as we were with him.

We do not miss TO as much as some of you think because others, not just one, has contributed.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

You mean like the numbers TO put up against Tampa last year...5 catches for 33 yards and no TDs?

Or the numbers TO put against Washington last year 5 catches for 38 yards and zero TDs?

Or the numbers TO put up against Pittsburgh last year with 3 catches for 32 yards and 1 TD?

Or the numbers TO put up against the Rams with 2 catches for 31 yards and no TDs?

In 2008 through week 11 with TO we averaged 23 points a game.

In 2009 through week 11 without TO we have averaged 23 points a game.

Neither of the points above (08 or 09) take into account defensive scores as I am too lazy to look into that so it is just from the total scores.

So it would seem we are on the same pace without TO as we were with him.

We do not miss TO as much as some of you think because others, not just one, has contributed.

I don't know why you can't grasp the concept here. My point is that if we had TO in ROys position based on the same production from him as last year, we would be a much better offense.

Look at what has happened to Austin's numbers since the KC game. They have steadily declined because the defenses know Roy isn't a threat. So they focus on taking Austin and to a large extent, Witten, out of the game.

With TO, they couldn't do that.

And don't give me the BS about TO is having a rotten year this year. He's on a rotten team.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

That is a small sample size. If we look at those 8 quarter you can't say it is all on Roy. Tony has made some bad throws, Barber had a big fumble and so on and so on. Stuff that TO would not have helped with had he still been here. TO can't control Barber fumbling. Looking at a bigger sample size of all 10 games played this year the offense is doing better than last year.

If Dallas is still struggling for several more games then maybe we can look back and say TO may have made a difference. Of course we also have to consider that if the offense struggled and TO was still on the team that the circus would be huge in Dallas. That is a big factor as to why he is gone.

I agree 100% there. And As I said earlier, I would be more than willing to accept the drama IF we had the production. Now we have the drama with Roy (not to TO's extent) with no production, and it has hurt us in terms of scoring points.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree 100% there. And As I said earlier, I would be more than willing to accept the drama IF we had the production. Now we have the drama with Roy (not to TO's extent) with no production, and it has hurt us in terms of scoring points.

It has not hurt us in scoring points...because we are still at the very same average through 11 games.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

It has not hurt us in scoring points...because we are still at the very same average through 11 games.

How did that average work out against GB?

 

[khiladi]

If TO plays next year, he needs to go play in a WCO...

 

[Sarge]

And we get stuck with slow twitch Roy....

:bang2: :bang2:

Snooze alert....

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I don't know why you can't grasp the concept here. My point is that if we had TO in ROys position based on the same production from him as last year, we would be a much better offense.

Look at what has happened to Austin's numbers since the KC game. They have steadily declined because the defenses know Roy isn't a threat. So they focus on taking Austin and to a large extent, Witten, out of the game.

With TO, they couldn't do that.

And don't give me the BS about TO is having a rotten year this year. He's on a rotten team.

Why does everyone forget that? Or is it just because they dislike him as a person? The hoopla was worth the double coverage and the LB coverage on Witten.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Why does everyone forget that? Or is it just because they dislike him as a person? The hoopla was worth the double coverage and the LB coverage on Witten.

Probably because people get tired of people making the team excuse for some players and then when it comes to others it always seems to be an indivuals game and bad things never seem to have anything to do with how the team around them plays.

Cherry picking at it's finest. It's only got something to do with the team around a player when that excuse is convient for whatever person is championing whatever player.

If the Cowboys as a team play bad against teams down the stretch it's all Romo's fault.

If TO is having a poor year in Buffalo it's all because Buffalo, as a team, sucks and apparently has nothing to do with TO himself.

 

[Hostile]

Why does everyone forget that? Or is it just because they dislike him as a person? The hoopla was worth the double coverage and the LB coverage on Witten.

Mostly because it is a cop out response. Calvin Johnson plays on a horrible team too. The iLoveMyselfMachine is over.

 

[jackrussell]

TO on cowboys = better Cowboys team. He can still play at a high level and proved that today. he is still twice as good as Miles and years ahead of #11.

Trent just cant get anyone the rock and thats why he was benched.

And Brady with a good scheme and WR's = Pro Bowl.

Charlie might be coming to Cleveland anyway next year.

Is he bringing that great Notre Dame tradition with him?:laugh2:

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't know why you can't grasp the concept here. My point is that if we had TO in ROys position based on the same production from him as last year, we would be a much better offense.

Look at what has happened to Austin's numbers since the KC game. They have steadily declined because the defenses know Roy isn't a threat. So they focus on taking Austin and to a large extent, Witten, out of the game.

With TO, they couldn't do that.

And don't give me the BS about TO is having a rotten year this year. He's on a rotten team.

He chose to play for that rotten team. He didn't have to. He'd made a ton of money and had a solid career. No one forced him to go play for "North America's Team."

For a guy with T.O.'s skins, why in the world would he sign with a team that had no chance at a super bowl and had below average quarterback play?

I don't miss him in Dallas. But sometimes I feel for the guy. It was obvious right away that that team was going nowhere fast.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He chose to play for that rotten team. He didn't have to. He'd made a ton of money and had a solid career. No one forced him to go play for "North America's Team."

For a guy with T.O.'s skins, why in the world would he sign with a team that had no chance at a super bowl and had below average quarterback play?

I don't miss him in Dallas. But sometimes I feel for the guy. It was obvious right away that that team was going nowhere fast.

And?

That doesn't change the fact he is on a rotten team.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Mostly because it is a cop out response. Calvin Johnson plays on a horrible team too. The iLoveMyselfMachine is over.

It's not a cop out. It's the truth. Unless the truth is now considered a cop out.

 

[WoodysGirl]

And?

That doesn't change the fact he is on a rotten team.

The point is, he picked that rotten team. No one forced him to sign with them.

His awful season there is of his own making. There was nothing about Buffalo that suggested they were one receiver away from a championship.

With his career and his talent, he should've been patient and signed with a better quality team.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The point is, he picked that rotten team. No one forced him to sign with them.

His awful season there is of his own making. There was nothing about Buffalo that suggested they were one receiver away from a championship.

With his career and his talent, he should've been patient and signed with a better quality team.

I totally agree. But the fact is, it's a rotten team. Based on what you are saying, and again I agree, had he signed with a better team, like say maybe the Cowboys, he would be having a better year and so would we.

Well, thanks at least for agreeing with me.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I totally agree. But the fact is, it's a rotten team. Based on what you are saying, and again I agree, had he signed with a better team, like say maybe the Cowboys, he would be having a better year and so would we.

Well, thanks at least for agreeing with me.

Didn't realize I needed to make a disclaimer:

**A better team not named San Francisco, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Miami, or Dallas.

But yes, we do agree.