TO said he's heard rumors of coaching...

[Chocolate Lab]

TO needs to go. What a joke he is.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Disagree with the instantly be better part but I do agree that the drama would go away. At least a lot of it would.

I thought the reason we had to give up half of our draft next year was because we needed another receiver to take coverage off TO.

So if we let TO go, who is going to take the coverage off Roy?

And if that player could take the coverage off Roy, why couldnt that player have taken the coverage off TO and we could have saved the picks???

Doesnt make sense to get rid of TO when the Roy trade was justified by the fact Garrett needed a pair of #1 receivers to run his offense. So we cant go back to just having a single #1, we would then need to acquire another #1 using the same logic used in the Roy trade.

Am I right about this guys???

 

[silvrandbluefan]

some of you guys post crack me up... saying TO needs to go.. you would be the same next year saying we should have kept TO if he went to another team and burned our DB's.. what a joke.. TO didnt fumble the ball 2 times plus throw and int ... And to Romo.. its not big thing.. that to me is BS.. make excuses all you want about TO but from what i see he is the only vocal leader this team has.

 

[tyke1doe]

Players don't win FOR anyone.

If that were the case, Ray Lewis's teams would've never lost.

He has one ring, by the way. One.

If players don't win for anyone, who cares if they like T.O.?

That was my point for bringing that up. So what if players like him or don't like him?

The name of the game is winning. I don't care if they like T.O. or can't stand his guts.

Second, with all due respect, your Ray Lewis example is silly. No one wins all the time, but that's not always an issue of desire. Ravens players respect Lewis and look to him as a leader. And I believe he does inspire them to win.

Oh, and ONE RING is more than any player on this squad has. I'll take one over none any day.

 

[JordanTaber]

TO needs to go. What a joke he is.

Yeah, obviously; I mean, after all, Dallas has ROY WILLIAMS, who is CLEARLY the best receiver on the roster now.


How are you a real person? Just...HOW?

 

[JordanTaber]

If players don't win for anyone, who cares if they like T.O.?

That was my point for bringing that up. So what if players like him or don't like him?

The name of the game is winning. I don't care if they like T.O. or can't stand his guts.

Second, with all due respect, your Ray Lewis example is silly. No one wins all the time, but that's not always an issue of desire. Ravens players respect Lewis and look to him as a leader. And I believe he does inspire them to win.

Oh, and ONE RING is more than any player on this squad has. I'll take one over none any day.

Could've fooled me.

So if it isn't about Owens being a "team cancer," then what is it about? He's clearly the best receiver on the team...one of the best players, period. You don't just get rid of one of your best players for no good reason.

 

[Beast_from_East]

TO has destroyed several teams, look how much better Philty is with out him? I bet they are so glad Dallas got the cancer known as TO, especially today.
What a great plan to give the cancer to your enemy and see how well it worked!

Was TO making the o-line block like a JV team??

Was TO making the linebackers bounce off Westbrook??

Was TO making our d-line get driven off the ball every dam play??

Was TO making Garrett call plays he found in Tecmo Bowl??

I love it how posters blame TO for everything and the other 50+ guys on the team get a pass.

 

[khiladi]

Jason Garrett is pathetic at handling the blitz... absolutely pathetic...

 

[Batman]

I would feel much better about the Cowboy's future if T.O. said the rumor was that Stephen Jones is taking over as owner.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yap about TO all you want but today he had 6 catches for 103 yards, he did his job, too bad few others did.

 

[LenS]

How many elite wide receivers have won Super Bowls over the past decade (since the Rams)? Marvin Harrison. And he won it the year the Colt's running game and defense turned elite. The problem with elite wide receivers is that most of them have corresponding egos and suck up too much cap space.

 

[wileedog]

How many elite wide receivers have won Super Bowls over the past decade (since the Rams)? Marvin Harrison. And he won it the year the Colt's running game and defense turned elite. The problem with elite wide receivers is that most of them have corresponding egos and suck up too much cap space.

I don't know, is Plaxico considered "elite?" He certainly has the malfunctioning brain of one of the top guys.

 

[LenS]

TO had only two catches for 10 yards in the first half. His biggest catch was on the trick play from Romo to Witten to TO for 42 yards in that first drive of the second half when the team was down by 24 points. Getting open after ten seconds of QB/TE scrambling isn't exactly a big achievement. Down by 31, he got two more catches for another 42 yards combined. And a final catch for nine yards later on.

But on how many plays did it look like he didn't run the right pattern? As rough as Romo is in December, there were way too many plays where it looked like he was throwing it to spots where his WR's were supposed to be and they were off someplace else.

 

[LenS]

I wondered if we could call him elite. His behavior has definitely been as if he was elite. Of course, the Patriots last year were the team with more elite WR's and they lost.

Maybe the problem is that so many of these WR's have it easy in college. They dominate the competition in college simply by so much faster and taller than the DB's. And a dominant WR in college gets their egos appeased a lot with lots of big TD's. The position is already the most independent on the offense, so it's a recipe for elite WR's who never learn that it's different in the NFL.

 

[silver]

Really?

T.O. left Philly in 2005. They didn't make the playoffs that year with all the turmoil on that squad, produced largely by T.O.

They made the playoffs the next year, even after McNabb injured himself. And - get this - won a playoff game against the Giants before losing to the Saints. This all WITHOUT T.O.

Meanwhile, the Cowboys made the playoffs in 2006, but they were won and done WITH T.O.

The Eagles didn't make the playoffs last year. But they were hot down the stretch. And they made the playoffs this year.

I think it's a stretch to say it took them a LONG TIME to recover without T.O.

It only took less than a year, and one could argue T.O.'s meltdown in Philly caused Philly to get off track for that season.

OK lets see what they have done without TO.

6-10 in 2005
10-6 in 2006 lost to New Orleans in the playoffs
8-8 in 2007
9-6-1 in 2008

for a team coming off 3 consecutive NFC Championship games and a Superbowl appearance I'd say they havent recovered to life without TO. They were inches from a superbowl with TO and they havent gotten close ever since. And they'll get bounced off the playoffs this year aswell. Watch Adrian Peterson shred them to pieces next week

 

[tyke1doe]

Could've fooled me.

So if it isn't about Owens being a "team cancer," then what is it about? He's clearly the best receiver on the team...one of the best players, period. You don't just get rid of one of your best players for no good reason.

Uh, I was responding to your comment that the players like him.

So?

What does that have to do with winning?

 

[tyke1doe]

OK lets see what they have done without TO.

6-10 in 2005
10-6 in 2006 lost to New Orleans in the playoffs
8-8 in 2007
9-6-1 in 2008

for a team coming off 3 consecutive NFC Championship games and a Superbowl appearance I'd say they havent recovered to life without TO. They were inches from a superbowl with TO and they havent gotten close ever since. And they'll get bounced off the playoffs this year aswell. Watch Adrian Peterson shred them to pieces next week

Wow. Talk about being selective with your stats.

Without T.O.

11-5 in 2001, beat Bucs, beat Chicago in playoffs, lose to Rams in NFC Championship Game.

12-4 in 2002, beat Falcons in playoffs, lose to Tampa Bay in NFC Championship Game.

12-4 in 2003, beat Packers in playoffs, lose to Panthers, NFC Championship Game.

13-3 in 2004, (They win one more game with T.O. Whoopie Do!) beat Vikings, beat Falcons in the playoffs (WITHOUT T.O.) lose to Patriots in Super Bowl WITH T.O., who subsequently runs his mouth about how his quarterback choked. Did you hear any of the Steelers run their mouths about Neil O'Donnell after their Super Bowl 30 loss to the Cowboys? Did you hear the Bills castigate Scott Norwood for his missed field goal in Super Bowl 25?

Team player, that T.O.

In 2005, the Eagles go 6-10. But note, that's the year T.O. causes all his mess. Add to that the fact that Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Todd Pinkston, Tra Thomas, Jerome McDougle, Hank Fraley, Lito Sheppard, and Correll Buckhalter were all at some point lost for the season.

But even then in 2006, the Eagles rebound, make the playoffs and beat the Giants. I see you conveniently omitted that win in trying to cast the Eagles as losers. This "old" veteran team still wins a playoff game, something the "young" Cowboys couldn't do for two straight years.

BTW, a team's run doesn't coincide with a wide receiver. It coincides with a coach and the quarterback. McNabb is a 10-year veteran. He's getting older, but he still has enough to lead his team to the playoffs. He may or may not be as good as he was earlier in his career. But when the chips were down, he guided his team into the playoffs and has won playoff games, something Romo can't claim.

As for being shredded by the Vikings, sorry, son, your hopes don't count as evidence.

 

[silver]

Wow. Talk about being selective with your stats.

Without T.O.

11-5 in 2001, beat Bucs, beat Chicago in playoffs, lose to Rams in NFC Championship Game.

12-4 in 2002, beat Falcons in playoffs, lose to Tampa Bay in NFC Championship Game.

12-4 in 2003, beat Packers in playoffs, lose to Panthers, NFC Championship Game.

13-3 in 2004, (They win one more game with T.O. Whoopie Do!) beat Vikings, beat Falcons in the playoffs (WITHOUT T.O.) lose to Patriots in Super Bowl WITH T.O., who subsequently runs his mouth about how his quarterback choked. Did you hear any of the Steelers run their mouths about Neil O'Donnell after their Super Bowl 30 loss to the Cowboys? Did you hear the Bills castigate Scott Norwood for his missed field goal in Super Bowl 25?

Team player, that T.O.

In 2005, the Eagles go 6-10. But note, that's the year T.O. causes all his mess. Add to that the fact that Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Todd Pinkston, Tra Thomas, Jerome McDougle, Hank Fraley, Lito Sheppard, and Correll Buckhalter were all at some point lost for the season.

But even then in 2006, the Eagles rebound, make the playoffs and beat the Giants. I see you conveniently omitted that win in trying to cast the Eagles as losers. This "old" veteran team still wins a playoff game, something the "young" Cowboys couldn't do for two straight years.

BTW, a team's run doesn't coincide with a wide receiver. It coincides with a coach and the quarterback. McNabb is a 10-year veteran. He's getting older, but he still has enough to lead his team to the playoffs. He may or may not be as good as he was earlier in his career. But when the chips were down, he guided his team into the playoffs and has won playoff games, something Romo can't claim.

As for being shredded by the Vikings, sorry, son, your hopes don't count as evidence.

i can only hope. but the records don't lie, 33-30-1 after TO. I'd say they havent recovered. And their window of opportunity is closing fast. they better win it all this year cause there were already rumors of Reid and McNabb being canned this season. And the goal is to win the superbowl not just to win a playoff game. If that was the case Jake Plummer would be in the HOF.

 

[BruceWayne]

Was TO making the o-line block like a JV team??

Was TO making the linebackers bounce off Westbrook??

Was TO making our d-line get driven off the ball every dam play??

Was TO making Garrett call plays he found in Tecmo Bowl??

I love it how posters blame TO for everything and the other 50+ guys on the team get a pass.

Thank you

 

[tyke1doe]

i can only hope. but the records don't lie, 33-30-1 after TO. I'd say they havent recovered. And their window of opportunity is closing fast. they better win it all this year cause there were already rumors of Reid and McNabb being canned this season. And the goal is to win the superbowl not just to win a playoff game. If that was the case Jake Plummer would be in the HOF.

But that has less to do with T.O. and more to do with McNabb aging and Reid hitting the wall as a coach.

Now, having a receiver with T.O.'s ability would definitely help the Eagles. I'm talking T.O. minus his mouth. But, still, a Super Bowl team is only as strong as its running game, defense and coaching. It's really not the wide receiver.

Furthermore, for every Jake Plummer you cite, I can cite Dan Marino. For every Trent Dilfer, I can cite Dan Fouts.

It works both ways. Winning the Super Bowl is a great measuring stick, but that doesn't mean a quarterback isn't good or great because he doesn't win.

McNabb is a good quarterback. The evidence is what he has accomplished with the Eagles, particularly the Eagles, for the most part, not having an elite receiver.

He has done more with less than almost any other quarterback who has reached the post-season. I know people around here hate McNabb, but dems da facts.