To the Commanders fans saying it will be close because they "always play us tough"...

[Idgit]

Dude ???

Hole in the Roof is going to lose $500.

 

[Aikbach]

Hole in the Roof is going to lose $500.

It was a hole in the head move by him.

 

[Dumbsheet]

Uhhh, no... Jason did win the Saints game for them, but in the last game, the Skins were given a gift of an interception (Torrence committed blatant pass interference) that Carlos Rogers returned deep into Cards territory, then Moss took a short pass and made a good play to punch it into the end zone...

The skynyrds suck and we'll beat them by at least 4 touchdowns, but I did see this replay and it wasn't interference. The CB and WR were both going for the ball and both had their heads turned. By rule, that is okay.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Ahhh, yes. My mistake. i saw 22/30 and figured he had to have had at least 250.

He did have a 70 yd touchdown called back on a ridiculous unnecessary roughness call. The call itself was questionable, but even if the refs threw the flag correctly, when a play ends in a touchdown the 15 yds is assessed on the kickoff, and the touchdown should have stood. Our coaches should have caught that mistake. Zorn is taking about 2 shots down the field per game while the rest of it is the short stuff.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wasn't "History" the reason given by all the mediots who picked Green Bay to beat Dallas; because Dallas could not win at Lambeau? So much for "recent history"; it will mean nothing once again and we will easily destroy this Commanders team. They simply are not in the same class as the other three NFC East teams.

Yes I'm hoping we're able to over come this history as well. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying it doesn't scream blow out to me. Hopefully I'm overly nervous and worried and we'll blow them away.

Slow down partner, JC was throwing the ball against a Saints D without their top 3 CB's that game. That would be like us playing without TNew, AH, and AJ. The Foreskins had to come from behind, at home, against a severely depleted Saints secondary. Just sayin!!!

I fail to see where that's on him or the Skins. They can't help it that the Saints were missing guys, they still beat them. Does that mean we should down grade the Cowboys win over the Pack because they were without Harris (The vast majority of the game) and their starting safety as well?

I don't care about who was or wasn't in a game. You have to beat the team in front of you and they did it. That's all I care about and that's enough for me to give them a bit more concern than I would have after week one.

He did have a 70 yd touchdown called back on a ridiculous unnecessary roughness call. The call itself was questionable, but even if the refs threw the flag correctly, when a play ends in a touchdown the 15 yds is assessed on the kickoff, and the touchdown should have stood. Our coaches should have caught that mistake. Zorn is taking about 2 shots down the field per game while the rest of it is the short stuff.

That depends on when the penalty flag was thrown and if it's a during the play penalty or post play penalty. I saw this debated on another forum and the thing is that if the flag is thrown during the play then, no, it's not tacked onto the kickoff even if the team scores a TD.

Now if the score was made, everyones dancing around, and THEN a flag is thrown and it's post play, after the whistles have blown, then it would be put on the kickoff. I didn't see the play, so I don't know when it happened, but it seemed to me that the people who were debating this, on that other forum, were saying that the flag was thrown for a block, or foul, or whatever while Campbell still had the ball in his hands. That makes it during the play, not post play, and thus wipes out anything that happens on that play just like holding, tripping, clipping, and all the other penalties do.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

That depends on when the penalty flag was thrown and if it's a during the play penalty or post play penalty. I saw this debated on another forum and the thing is that if the flag is thrown during the play then, no, it's not tacked onto the kickoff even if the team scores a TD.

Now if the score was made, everyones dancing around, and THEN a flag is thrown and it's post play, after the whistles have blown, then it would be put on the kickoff. I didn't see the play, so I don't know when it happened, but it seemed to me that the people who were debating this, on that other forum, were saying that the flag was thrown for a block, or foul, or whatever while Campbell still had the ball in his hands. That makes it during the play, not post play, and thus wipes out anything that happens on that play just like holding, tripping, clipping, and all the other penalties do.

From nfl.com/rulebook
Penalty Enforced on Following Kickoff

1. When a team scores by touchdown, field goal, extra point, or safety and either team commits a personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, or obvious unfair act during the down, the penalty will be assessed on the following kickoff

So, for instance, in week two Reggie Bush pointed at one of our players while returning a punt for a touchdown. That penalty was assessed on the kickoff. In the end it didn't matter - I just would have liked for Campbell's stats to reflect how well he played.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Also from nfl.com/rulebook

Forward Pass

If a personal foul is committed by the offense prior to the completion of a pass, the penalty is 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage.

 

[Sonny#9]

193 yards, actually...

By rule, it should have been 23/31 253 yrds, 3 TD...

I just love the fact that no one here can admit Campbell has played very well the last 2 weeks.

 

[SkinsFanMania]

After reading several Commanders boards, the unanimous opinion is that, despite them being severely inferior in just about every area, the game will be close because they "always play us tough".

As it turns out, since 1998, Dallas is 15-5 against Washington with the average margin of victory for Dallas in those 15 wins being almost 13 PPG. Adding to that, 2 of the 5 wins by Washington were games in which Dallas had nothing at stake. Dallas has 6 wins of at least 16 points in that span.

Forgive me for not seeing how Washington always plays us close.

Now that you are done looking at the past 10 years, lets look at the past 4 years. I'm using four because we basically have the same team that we had four seasons ago do to the fact that in 2004 Gibbs came back.

2004 -- Cowboys 21-18
2004 -- Cowboys 13-10
2005 -- Commanders 14-13
2005 -- Commanders 35-07
2006 -- Cowboys 27-10
2006 -- Commanders 22-19
2007 -- Cowboys 28-23
2007 -- Commanders 27-06

We have won 50% of the games vs. the Cowboys. Out of the eight games that have been played since 2004 five have been within one touchdown.

Anyway, these games are a better indicator of how the game will possibly go this coming Sunday.

Anyway, Go Skins and good luck to the Cowboys. May this game be injury free and screw the Eagles and the Giants, especially the Eagles!!!

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Also from nfl.com/rulebook

Forward Pass

If a personal foul is committed by the offense prior to the completion of a pass, the penalty is 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage.

That's interesting. I didn't see that. It looked to me as though Campbell got rid of it before Heyer decked Dockett, but it is a close call. These two rules seem to contradict one another, so I'm not sure which rule would prevail. Doesn't the NFL network do a segment explaining rules or something? I wonder if they would explain this one.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I don't think these are the officially worded ones, just ones released to the general public. Let's say the QB throws a 5 yard pass to the WR, then a TE comes in and face masks defensive back, springing the WR free to run for a TD. Do you honestly think the ref would allow the TD and just penalize 15 yards on the kickoff?

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Now that you are done looking at the past 10 years, lets look at the past 4 years. I'm using four because we basically have the same team that we had four seasons ago do to the fact that in 2004 Gibbs came back.

2004 -- Cowboys 21-18
2004 -- Cowboys 13-10
2005 -- Commanders 14-13
2005 -- Commanders 35-07
2006 -- Cowboys 27-10
2006 -- Commanders 22-19
2007 -- Cowboys 28-23
2007 -- Commanders 27-06

We have won 50% of the games vs. the Cowboys. Out of the eight games that have been played since 2004 five have been within one touchdown.

Anyway, these games are a better indicator of how the game will possibly go this coming Sunday.

Anyway, Go Skins and good luck to the Cowboys. May this game be injury free and screw the Eagles and the Giants, especially the Eagles!!!

Skins Blow

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I don't think these are the officially worded ones, just ones released to the general public. Let's say the QB throws a 5 yard pass to the WR, then a TE comes in and face masks defensive back, springing the WR free to run for a TD. Do you honestly think the ref would allow the TD and just penalize 15 yards on the kickoff?

No, I think that you are right. There must be some sort of wording about whether the penalty is related to the play. But if that's the case, it's a stretch to say that Heyer's block was related to the touchdown catch. It would be nice to see the official rules.

 

[killdaskins]

This beauty is from a prominent Commanders board:I was so absolutely annoyed by Dallas' crappy play in their win against GB
I think I might need to double up my blood pressure dose.
(med folks relax... I won't really do it )

HC Jerry Jones and Assistant Wade Phillips have failed to improve that team a drop.
I feel that what we have this year is better than what we beat them with last year.
There's no reason we can't win this one.

This is clealy an upset deadskin fan upset that Dan Spider aka I wanna be Jerry hasn't done anything to improve their team even though he has made every attempt to mimac Jerry Jones:suxskins: