Tom Brady suspension nullified

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And lets be clear here. I don't really care if they let him off. I wouldn't have cared if they did nothing at all to him. This league has had no problem with cheating in the past. The Oakland Raiders of the 70's and 80's are celebrated for the fact that they were renegades and found every way they could to cheat to gain advantages.

So I'm not bothered personally by the fact that he cheated. It sucks that he and the Patriots do, but there are players on all teams who do it and more than likely every single team does cheat in some way to try and gain advantages.

It's stupid either way that Brady can cheat and have people actually want to believe he didn't, or didn't know, and that he's being bullied for getting caught cheating.
 
erod said:
I wonder how players truly feel about this. They know he did it, too.
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fwiw....Pro Bowl Left Tackle, Joe Thomas, thought the punishment did not fit the crime at all....

"I would equate what [Tom Brady] did to driving 66 [mph] in a 65 speed zone, and getting the death penalty," Thomas said Sunday after the Cleveland Browns' training camp practice
 
Sydla said:
But that's not right. People convicted on circumstantial evidence probably shouldn't have been. The judge was right in his ruling. You can't assume he cheated just because he destroyed a phone. Further, as noted earlier, the judge also pointed out that the league didn't follow on precedent in matters like this. The league warned the Vikes and Panthers when they were tampering with balls during a game last year. You can't then turn around and throw this punishment at the Pats and Brady and expect it would hold up.
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Circumstantial evidence put together usually pushes things "beyond a reasonable doubt."
 
nake said:
Let me just say with your stated standard it isn't too difficult to "know" something.:)

It sounds more like you believe it than you know it, which is fine.
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I KNOW he knew for a fact. As I've played enough football in my life to know, without a doubt, that a QB absolutely knows when the balls are tampered with in any way.

I didn't even play QB and I knew for sure when our footballs were not the same. You can absolutely tell the difference when the football you're working with is not the same. Anyone whose ever played football can.

Especially the guy who plays QB and handles the football on every single play.

He knew. If he wasn't directly involved in the decisions of what PSI to have the football at (Which, without question, he was) he absolutely had no issue with their ball boy, equipment manager, or whoever else they chose to scapegoat on it, deflating the footballs.
 
nake said:
Let me just say with your stated standard it isn't too difficult to "know" something.:)

It sounds more like you believe it than you know it, which is fine.
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There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that he did this, both empirical and circumstantial. If he didn't do it, then nobody ever did anything and they need to get rid of suspensions, period.

This is not a murder case.

And though it's not usable evidence, did you see that first press conference of Brady's? LOL, if that's not the guiltiest person you've seen, I don't know what to tell you. He looked like a five year old with chocolate chips all over his face swearing he didn't eat the cookies.

And of course, we all destroy our phones routinely. Sure.

Brady is forever tainted. This will haunt his career forever. That will never change.
 
Gotta hand it to Brady and Kraft.

Kraft probably paid off judge.

Brady wins Super Bowl by Carrol and Wilson gaff.
Brady guilty, but wins suspension.

I actually like it. That's power.



Judge Berman, "didn't he throw the ball better in 2nd half"??

Gold Jerry.... Gold I tell ya! Lol
 
casmith07 said:
THIS RULING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GUILT OR INNOCENCE, CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, OR THE INVESTIGATOR.
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Okay? And?

Feeling better now?

The only part that matters to sports fans, in regards to this case, is that Brady is going to get away with cheating. As are the Patriots.

I don't care what reason they found to allow them to get away with it. lol
 
casmith07 said:
THIS RULING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GUILT OR INNOCENCE, CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, OR THE INVESTIGATOR.
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This is true.

Unfortunately, today's legal system is never about guilt or innocence anymore. The truth is a trivial detail.

That's why we get one activist judge's court decision every week these days. Especially from the Supreme Court, which is supposed to be immune to that.
 
erod said:
There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that he did this, both empirical and circumstantial. If he didn't do it, then nobody ever did anything and they need to get rid of suspensions, period.

This is not a murder case.

And though it's not usable evidence, did you see that first press conference of Brady's? LOL, if that's not the guiltiest person you've seen, I don't know what to tell you. He looked like a five year old with chocolate chips all over his face swearing he didn't eat the cookies.

And of course, we all destroy our phones routinely. Sure.

Brady is forever tainted. This will haunt his career forever. That will never change.
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I just remember Brady's response when someone asked him if he was a cheater. He kind of paused and then in a slow manner said "I don't think so"...that right there told me all I needed to know about his guilt. To me, in his mind at that time, he knew that he was involved in the footballs being deflated, but didn't really consider it as cheating. I fully realize that I don't know what was actually in his mind at that time, but that's how it came across to me.
 
I've only read up to the part about the comparison to steroid use and proper notice. The judge's argument is pretty weak on that point IMO. I'll see what the rest of his arguments are.
 
I for one look forward to the changes that will occur from this. For starters, Goodell will likely never serve as the arbitrator again, and we will see far less over reaching from him, like the cap penalties, 10 games suspensions for transgressions that call for 2 games.
 
Manwiththeplan said:
I for one look forward to the changes that will occur from this. For starters, Goodell will likely never serve as the arbitrator again, and we will see far less over reaching from him, like the cap penalties, 10 games suspensions for transgressions that call for 2 games.
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It just boggles my mind that a billion dollar corporation could screw up the basics of administrative law and due process.
 
When is Sean Payton going to sue the league?

When Jets fans tried to sue the league for Spygate, the courts essentially ruled the NFL being entertainment, can punish them how they want.
 
Nirvana said:
But of course! And we wonder why deregulation of Wall St is so popular in certain circles...

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I don't see why it's suspicious, the judge did everything short of announce to the world he was siding with Brady.
 
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