Tom Landry wiki page is awesome

[atlantacowboy]

That isn't a minor thing. If it were then other teams would have hired Jimmy.

You know that Jimmy was the top coach in college at the time Jerry hired him right? He lost one regular season game in 4 seasons prior to coming to dallas. He was a winner when he came to Dallas and he left Dallas a winner.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Tom Landry didn't have a winning season until his 7th with the team. Does having a bad team those years take away credit from the great things he did later?

No it doesn't b/c he did right the ship and prove his genius. Garret hasn't righted anything or won anything. He'll probably get at least 7 years to prove something but he hasn't yet.

 

[joseephuss]

You know that Jimmy was the top coach in college at the time Jerry hired him right? He lost one regular season game in 4 seasons prior to coming to dallas. He was a winner when he came to Dallas and he left Dallas a winner.

No, I had no idea.

Actually it was 2 regular season losses in those 4 seasons. NFL teams were not rushing to hire him because he had no NFL experience. There is still a hesitancy to hire college coaches who have zero NFL experience(as a player or assistant coach).

 

[atlantacowboy]

No, I had no idea.

Actually it was 2 regular season losses in those 4 seasons. NFL teams were not rushing to hire him because he had no NFL experience. There is still a hesitancy to hire college coaches who have zero NFL experience(as a player or assistant coach).

Jim Harbaugh, Tom Coughlin, Pete Carrol, and Chip Kelly.......... All of those guys got opportunities to coach in the NFL b/c of their college success. It had nothing to do with whether or not they played in the NFL. I think they all owe Jimmy Jonson a debt of gratitude b/c Jimmy's success paved the way for teams to look to college football to fill coaching positions. It wasn't done in the 1980's.

I guess Jerry is now going to get credit for being a visionary when in fact he hired the only football coach he knew.

 

[joseephuss]

Jim Harbaugh, Tom Coughlin, Pete Carrol, and Chip Kelly.......... All of those guys got opportunities to coach in the NFL b/c of their college success. It had nothing to do with whether or not they played in the NFL. I think they all owe Jimmy Jonson a debt of gratitude b/c Jimmy's success paved the way for teams to look to college football to fill coaching positions. It wasn't done in the 1980's.

I guess Jerry is now going to get credit for being a visionary when in fact he hired the only football coach he knew.

Harbaugh, Coughlin and Carrol all had NFL experience as NFL assistant coaches prior to getting jobs as NFL head coaches. As I said the NFL rarely highers guys with absolutely no NFL experience. Chip Kelly is the first one in a while.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Tom Landry didn't have a winning season until his 7th with the team. Does having a bad team those years take away credit from the great things he did later?

Jimmy's cowboys were a wrecking machine.

You cannot deny the fact that we were not given the opportunity to do more in early to mid 90s. It's irrefutable.

 

[Dodger12]

It's not and it's not even close. The volume of youth that would be needed for such a commitment today are far too myopic and self involved to ever look beyond themselves and their facebook page to ever make that type of sacrifice on such a large scale. I have a ton of respect for all the Veterans of this country, both past and present, but I have a special kind of respect for the kids that are doing it right now because they are serving in a society that is becoming more "me, me, me" by the day. Military service, for the most part, is about self sacrifice. **** you can't get the average young person to travel to the woods to cut firewood to help heat their home for the winter if their isn't a 4g connection to post their selfies of themselves "wrkn the chnsw, yo".

I regret that I have but one "like" to give for this post....................

 

[big dog cowboy]

NFL teams were not rushing to hire him because he had no NFL experience. There is still a hesitancy to hire college coaches who have zero NFL experience(as a player or assistant coach).

This is exactly true. I vividly remember when Jimmy was hired there were very few who thought he could coach in the NFL because of his lack of experience at the pro level. It's hard to believe that 25 years later that hasn't changed much.

 

[Dodger12]

No, I had no idea.

Actually it was 2 regular season losses in those 4 seasons. NFL teams were not rushing to hire him because he had no NFL experience. There is still a hesitancy to hire college coaches who have zero NFL experience(as a player or assistant coach).

I think it was Jimmy that mentioned the Eagles were interested in him prior to being hired by Dallas. It's killing me now trying to remember where I heard it but it was possibly a recent Jimmy interview.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I think it was Jimmy that mentioned the Eagles were interested in him prior to being hired by Dallas. It's killing me now trying to remember where I heard it but it was possibly a recent Jimmy interview.

And J Johnson did coach the defense - Jim Johnson.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Harbaugh, Coughlin and Carrol all had NFL experience as NFL assistant coaches prior to getting jobs as NFL head coaches. As I said the NFL rarely highers guys with absolutely no NFL experience. Chip Kelly is the first one in a while.

My point is that it was success on the college level that paved the way for their hires in the NFL. Harbaugh had 1 year as a QB coach in Oakland. I am 99% sure that wasn't the qualification that pushed him to the head of the list in SF.

I don't think there is such a clear prestige line between college coaching and pro coaching as their was in the 1980's and prior. If anything, the college jobs are less stressful and pay as well these days. Coaches bolt the pros for college now. Bobby Petrino , Saban, and I'm betting Harbaugh leaves SF and takes the Michigan job.

 

[joseephuss]

It was actually 2 seasons at Oakland. Jim Harbaugh played in the NFL for years for several teams. He made his connections at that time. His father was also a football coach and played ever so briefly at the professional level. His brother is also a coach at the NFL level. Jim got his head coaching experience at the college level, but he also had deep ties at the NFL level. That is my point. It was rare and still is to hire guys with no NFL experience. It had been done, but no one was really too successful until Jimmy came along.

I don't think prestige matters, but having some form of NFL ties and experience does. There are limited opportunities for head coaching experience in the NFL, so it makes sense for NFL assistants to get a college head coaching job and then graduate to an NFL head coaching job. That gives them both NFL experience and head coaching experience before getting a job at the NFL level. Maybe it will change in the future, but right now teams are more likely to hire someone who has been a part of the NFL rather than hire someone who has no ties. The Chip Kelly hire was a rarity.

 

[atlantacowboy]

It was actually 2 seasons at Oakland. Jim Harbaugh played in the NFL for years for several teams. He made his connections at that time. His father was also a football coach and played ever so briefly at the professional level. His brother is also a coach at the NFL level. Jim got his head coaching experience at the college level, but he also had deep ties at the NFL level. That is my point. It was rare and still is to hire guys with no NFL experience. It had been done, but no one was really too successful until Jimmy came along.

I don't think prestige matters, but having some form of NFL ties and experience does. There are limited opportunities for head coaching experience in the NFL, so it makes sense for NFL assistants to get a college head coaching job and then graduate to an NFL head coaching job. That gives them both NFL experience and head coaching experience before getting a job at the NFL level. Maybe it will change in the future, but right now teams are more likely to hire someone who has been a part of the NFL rather than hire someone who has no ties. The Chip Kelly hire was a rarity.

Ok. I get your point and i'm not disagreeing with it. But, is it a rarity b/c its harder to convince these top college guys to leave their fiefdoms to come to the NFL? Kelly and Carrol were running from NCAA rules violations. But how do you convince a guy like Kevin Sumlin whose making 3+ million in salary alone to come to the NFL? Or Art Briles? Someone going to pay Saban 10 million per to leave Bama? The top college jobs are better than the pro jobs now. The money in college football has increased 10x since the 1980's.

 

[joseephuss]

Ok. I get your point and i'm not disagreeing with it. But, is it a rarity b/c its harder to convince these top college guys to leave their fiefdoms to come to the NFL? Kelly and Carrol were running from NCAA rules violations. But how do you convince a guy like Kevin Sumlin whose making 3+ million in salary alone to come to the NFL? Or Art Briles? Someone going to pay Saban 10 million per to leave Bama? The top college jobs are better than the pro jobs now. The money in college football has increased 10x since the 1980's.

I think that is a contributing factor in today's era.