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Because Jerry was the one who built the teams coached by Gailey, Campo, Wade, and JG. He was the one wearing the GM hat, picking the players, and mismanaging the team.

Other than hiring Jimmy and giving him free reign, Jerry had nothing to do with those Super Bowl teams.
First of all...the whole free reign thing is greatly exaggerated. Second of all that's basically the same argument as "well he didn't do anything in that game if you take away the 80 yard catch."
 

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Ok, with the same regards then we need to give credit to Jimmy Johnson's mom for those Super Bowls also. Using your same logic, we would never have won those Super Bowls had Jimmy's mom not raised him proper.

Using your logic Jimmy's mom would have had to raise a billionaire so Jimmy could buy the Cowboys and coach them. :laugh:
 

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Even better. That they finished as one of the top four teams at least 70% of the time during that span.
That is why fans of other teams hate the cowboys. They were in the championship game almost every year..those fans could probably name every cowboy player in the seventies.
 

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That is why fans of other teams hate the cowboys. They were in the championship game almost every year..those fans could probably name every cowboy player in the seventies.

That would be impressive considering the player turnover from the beginning of the decade to the end of the decade.
 

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Thats why Landry is in the pro football hall of fame and Jerry never will be. lol

I don't think thats an apples to apples comparison.

This Jerry apologetics is getting crazy. It's one thing he made deals and had the money in the 90's, but for a couple of members make it seem like he did more than Jimmy, then the Cowboys should have been at least a game away from the NFC Championship since....have they?
 

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Again, your ignorance is almost offensive. Mostly funny but almost offensive. Enjoy your residence in Stupidville. Your property taxes are due.

Too funny. Resort to insults. That's mature. You can't deal with facts. Take off your Cowboys glasses ... Jerry Jones is the laughingstock of the NFL.

You're the Cowboys version of ExtremeSkins ... hope you enjoyed that single playoff win in the past 18 years. You must be proud.
 

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Jerry won football games. He hired Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy built the team, but Jimmy wouldn't have been with the Cowboys if Jerry didn't hire him.

Ralph Wilson, the late owner of the Buffalo Bills is in the Hall of Fame. Tell me again what he won. Over the past few decades Wilson contributed very little to the league making money.

Name another owner who lost 4 Super Bowls in a row? The HOF was a consolation prize.
 

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+1 on Landry as a coach and role model.

I would call Landry one of the three great system coaches: Paul Brown, Tom Landry, Bill Belichick. All of them had high emotional intelligence (read: cool), prepared well for games, liked the defensive side, innovated, had a system. Maybe some would include Bill Walsh.
 

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This Jerry apologetics is getting crazy. It's one thing he made deals and had the money in the 90's, but for a couple of members make it seem like he did more than Jimmy, then the Cowboys should have been at least a game away from the NFC Championship since....have they?

Jerry has that covered

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I don't (remotely) believe everything ESPN says, but I found a jewel.

Look at the elite teams and check out these four positions:
  • Owner
  • GM
  • HC
  • QB
Invariably the best teams have at least three of those positions right. And you can't have one position slighting one of the other positions without it hurting down the line.
 
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Repost from 2012...

Nothing like it has ever come close to happening either before or since.

Somebody in the Landry parade thread responded to a post I'd made about the consistency with which Landry's offenses and defenses ranked in the Top 10 every year, by attributing all the Top 10 finishes to the fact that free agency and the salary cap did not yet exist.

So I decided to look at the entire history of professional football to see which teams were able to put together consecutive seasons in which both their offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in their league (whatever league it was) in both scoring and total yards.

To adjust for era, I applied the "Top 10" of Landry's era as a top percentage of the teams in the league for other eras.

In 1970, the AFL-NFL merger resulted in a 26-team league. Both Landry's offense and defense were Top 10 in yards and scoring every year from 1970-1978. That put them in the top 38.5% of the league, so using the top 38.5% as the cutoff point, here are the equivalents to the 70's "Top 10" for the different eras, based on the number of teams in the league:

1991-present: Top 12
1976-1990: Top 11
1970-76: Top 10
1969: Top 6
1955-1969: Top 5 (AFL Top 3)
before 1955: Top 4

The Cowboys' rankings in 1968 and 1969 (the lowest was 4th) were also equivalent to a 70's "Top 10," so Landry's offense and defense were Top 10 (or top 38.5% of the league) in yards and scoring for 11 consecutive seasons (1968-1978).

Nothing like that has ever come close to happening either before or since.

Landry's team did it 11 straight times, and no other coach has had a team that did it more than 4 straight times.

History of Professional Football (1920-present)
Consecutive seasons with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards.

11 Landry, Cowboys (NFL, 1968-78)
4 Belichick, Patriots (NFL, 2006-09)
3 Brown, Browns (AAFC, 1946-48)
3 Grant, Vikings (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Halas, Bears (NFL, 1926-28)
3 Holmgren, Packers (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Noll, Steelers (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Seifert, 49ers (NFL, 1989-91 and 1994-96)
3 Shanahan, Broncos (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Shula, Dolphins (NFL, 1971-73)
3 Walsh, 49ers (NFL, 1986-88)

The Rams and Raiders had runs of 3 straight seasons, but in both cases it was done with two different coaches. 21 of the 32 teams in the league have never had as many as 3 straight years with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards, no matter who the coaches were.

And Landry's Cowboys did it 11 seasons in a row.

Anybody who can remember even one of those seasons saw a part of something that will never happen again.
 

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Repost from 2012...

Nothing like it has ever come close to happening either before or since.

Somebody in the Landry parade thread responded to a post I'd made about the consistency with which Landry's offenses and defenses ranked in the Top 10 every year, by attributing all the Top 10 finishes to the fact that free agency and the salary cap did not yet exist.

So I decided to look at the entire history of professional football to see which teams were able to put together consecutive seasons in which both their offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in their league (whatever league it was) in both scoring and total yards.

To adjust for era, I applied the "Top 10" of Landry's era as a top percentage of the teams in the league for other eras.

In 1970, the AFL-NFL merger resulted in a 26-team league. Both Landry's offense and defense were Top 10 in yards and scoring every year from 1970-1978. That put them in the top 38.5% of the league, so using the top 38.5% as the cutoff point, here are the equivalents to the 70's "Top 10" for the different eras, based on the number of teams in the league:

1991-present: Top 12
1976-1990: Top 11
1970-76: Top 10
1969: Top 6
1955-1969: Top 5 (AFL Top 3)
before 1955: Top 4

The Cowboys' rankings in 1968 and 1969 (the lowest was 4th) were also equivalent to a 70's "Top 10," so Landry's offense and defense were Top 10 (or top 38.5% of the league) in yards and scoring for 11 consecutive seasons (1968-1978).

Nothing like that has ever come close to happening either before or since.

Landry's team did it 11 straight times, and no other coach has had a team that did it more than 4 straight times.

History of Professional Football (1920-present)
Consecutive seasons with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards.

11 Landry, Cowboys (NFL, 1968-78)
4 Belichick, Patriots (NFL, 2006-09)
3 Brown, Browns (AAFC, 1946-48)
3 Grant, Vikings (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Halas, Bears (NFL, 1926-28)
3 Holmgren, Packers (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Noll, Steelers (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Seifert, 49ers (NFL, 1989-91 and 1994-96)
3 Shanahan, Broncos (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Shula, Dolphins (NFL, 1971-73)
3 Walsh, 49ers (NFL, 1986-88)

The Rams and Raiders had runs of 3 straight seasons, but in both cases it was done with two different coaches. 21 of the 32 teams in the league have never had as many as 3 straight years with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards, no matter who the coaches were.

And Landry's Cowboys did it 11 seasons in a row.

Anybody who can remember even one of those seasons saw a part of something that will never happen again.

Nice leg work, percy. Good stuff.
 

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Fine, then Jerry isn't responsible for any of the losses over the past however many years. It's all Gailey, Campo, Parcells, Wade, and JG who have messed everything up.

Why people refuse to give Jerry any credit for those Super Bowl teams is absolutely beyond me.

I'll split the difference with you.

Jerry gets credit for hiring jimmy and letting jimmy do his thing.
Jerry loses credit for tearing it down.
 

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Repost from 2012...

Nothing like it has ever come close to happening either before or since.

Somebody in the Landry parade thread responded to a post I'd made about the consistency with which Landry's offenses and defenses ranked in the Top 10 every year, by attributing all the Top 10 finishes to the fact that free agency and the salary cap did not yet exist.

So I decided to look at the entire history of professional football to see which teams were able to put together consecutive seasons in which both their offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in their league (whatever league it was) in both scoring and total yards.

To adjust for era, I applied the "Top 10" of Landry's era as a top percentage of the teams in the league for other eras.

In 1970, the AFL-NFL merger resulted in a 26-team league. Both Landry's offense and defense were Top 10 in yards and scoring every year from 1970-1978. That put them in the top 38.5% of the league, so using the top 38.5% as the cutoff point, here are the equivalents to the 70's "Top 10" for the different eras, based on the number of teams in the league:

1991-present: Top 12
1976-1990: Top 11
1970-76: Top 10
1969: Top 6
1955-1969: Top 5 (AFL Top 3)
before 1955: Top 4

The Cowboys' rankings in 1968 and 1969 (the lowest was 4th) were also equivalent to a 70's "Top 10," so Landry's offense and defense were Top 10 (or top 38.5% of the league) in yards and scoring for 11 consecutive seasons (1968-1978).

Nothing like that has ever come close to happening either before or since.

Landry's team did it 11 straight times, and no other coach has had a team that did it more than 4 straight times.

History of Professional Football (1920-present)
Consecutive seasons with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards.

11 Landry, Cowboys (NFL, 1968-78)
4 Belichick, Patriots (NFL, 2006-09)
3 Brown, Browns (AAFC, 1946-48)
3 Grant, Vikings (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Halas, Bears (NFL, 1926-28)
3 Holmgren, Packers (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Noll, Steelers (NFL, 1974-76)
3 Seifert, 49ers (NFL, 1989-91 and 1994-96)
3 Shanahan, Broncos (NFL, 1996-98)
3 Shula, Dolphins (NFL, 1971-73)
3 Walsh, 49ers (NFL, 1986-88)

The Rams and Raiders had runs of 3 straight seasons, but in both cases it was done with two different coaches. 21 of the 32 teams in the league have never had as many as 3 straight years with both offense and defense ranked in the Top 10 in both scoring and total yards, no matter who the coaches were.

And Landry's Cowboys did it 11 seasons in a row.

Anybody who can remember even one of those seasons saw a part of something that will never happen again.

Great stuff Percy!
 

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I'll split the difference with you.

Jerry gets credit for hiring jimmy and letting jimmy do his thing.
Jerry loses credit for tearing it down.
Tom Landry didn't have a winning season until his 7th with the team. Does having a bad team those years take away credit from the great things he did later?
 

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I never knew he served in the millitary. Guy had hell of a career,

I hope you get a chance to read this.

Landry was a highly decorated B-17 bomber pilot. He flew 30 missions at a time when many of those missions were one way trips over Germany.

On one particular mission his pane was on the way back from a mission, flying over the English channel when his plane lost power. He was responsible for everybody onboard. They were losing altitude and his co-pilot pleaded with him to eject. Landry told everybody else to get ready but he wasn't going anywhere. At virtually the last possible moment, he went through his check list again and tried to remix the fuel. The engines sputtered to life and he landed the plane saving everybody onboard.

Tom Landry was a tremendous human in every possible phase of life.
 
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