Tony Romo Compared to 8 Greats After 39 Career Starts

[DallasEast]

It's what does "humerous" means. Dang if your going to correct me then correctly correct me.

Hint: Darren Hambrick quote.

 

[tomson75]

It's what does "humerous" means. Dang if your going to correct me then correctly correct me.

Woosh.....right over your head.

 

[birdwells1]

I am not sure how many people out there are acting like he has brought Dallas back to the promised land. I think most people are acting like he is capable of one day doing it one day though.

Peyton Manning is a prime example. He will go down as one of the all time greats to ever play the position. However, he did not win anything of consequence until his 9th season.

It is not a crime to look at numbers and see how they stack up. Just the other day I was looking at Demarcus Ware's sack totals compared to the all time sack leaders. Ware has a long way to go, but his numbers are among the best from the little research I did when you compare the all time greats at the same point in their career as Ware is (Minus Reggie White). It is not a crime to appreciate what Demarcus Ware has done up to this point.

Reggie White led one of the most dominating defenses ever in the NFL. So did Richard Dent and so did Lawrence Taylor. Just because Ware has yet to lead Dallas defense to one of the most dominating defense's the NFL has ever seen does not mean I can not be excited about the prospects of him possibly doing it one day? It is obvious as it can be that Ware has the potential to do just that one day, even though he has not. Just because he has not yet, does not mean that he never will.

I think the critics are a lot more harsh on Romo than the supporters are blind to Romo's weaknesses.

The QB position more than any other is judged by Superbowls. Fair or not. Troy Aikman does not get into the Hall of Fame without the SB rings, his stats don't scream HOF. The QB position maybe the most important position in sports and on the team he is not just another one of the players he is your natural leader and the pacesetter.

Name another position where a player has mediocre to good stats and get into the HOF because of his SB rings. That's right none.

 

[birdwells1]

Hint: Darren Hambrick quote.

I try not to remember anything Hambrick had to say.

 

[Alexander]

Ebb and flow isn't lost, it's just not all that important.

Tell that to a defense that is worn out and discouraged after several short drives ended by a turnover.

 

[gbrittain]

The QB position more than any other is judged by Superbowls. Fair or not. Troy Aikman does not get into the Hall of Fame without the SB rings, his stats don't scream HOF. The QB position maybe the most important position in sports and on the team he is not just another one of the players he is your natural leader and the pacesetter.

Name another position where a player has mediocre to good stats and get into the HOF because of his SB rings. That's right none.

Not sure what kind of point you are trying to make. I have said as much. QBs are ultimately judged by their Super Bowl rings. Key word here is ultimately. Would have been premature to write of Peyton Manning don't you think?

He has not won a Super Bowl yet. Out of 32 teams only 5 teams will have QB starting form them that has won a Super Bowl. Does that mean the other 27 teams can go ahead and bow out for the 2009 season? Lets face it the 27 QBs that will start this year that have not won a Super Bowl, that obviously means that they are not good enough to win one I guess.

So we agree QBs are measured by Super Bowl rings. Did I say he was a HOFer? Did I say he was the greatest ever? Did I say he won a Super Bowl?

 

[Doomsday101]

The QB position more than any other is judged by Superbowls. Fair or not. Troy Aikman does not get into the Hall of Fame without the SB rings, his stats don't scream HOF. The QB position maybe the most important position in sports and on the team he is not just another one of the players he is your natural leader and the pacesetter.

Name another position where a player has mediocre to good stats and get into the HOF because of his SB rings. That's right none.

Yes and without the other parts doing their job it does not matter if you are Dan Marino you will not win a SB. I understand many judge the greatness of a QB on the ring he has I also know sports writers are the ones who put players in the HOF and I could give a damn what they think. QB can't win SB by themselfs and any person dumb enough to judge a QB on rings alone needs to be a sports writer.

 

[THUMPER]

Does anyone here remember Sonny Jurgensen? He is a HoFer and never won a single playoff game. He played 18 seasons and only led his team to one postseason berth and lost his one and only playoff game. His playoff stats were 6 of 12 for 78 yards 0 TDs and 3 INTs!

He is in the HoF based solely on his stats, so tell me again that stats don't matter.

Romo has only played 3 seasons and has a lot ahead of him. I am not worried that he won't win several playoff games before his career is over. These people who say Romo can't be considered any good until he wins a few playoff games or a SB are confusing football with golf or tennis or some other individual activity. Football is a TEAM sport and until the TEAM starts playing well in December and the playoffs we won't win no matter how well Romo plays.

BTW, Jurgensen was a GREAT QB and deserved to be in the HoF. He was the Dan Marino of his day.

 

[Doomsday101]

Does anyone here remember Sonny Jurgensen? He is a HoFer and never won a single playoff game. He played 18 seasons and only led his team to one postseason berth and lost his one and only playoff game. His playoff stats were 6 of 12 for 78 yards 0 TDs and 3 INTs!

He is in the HoF based solely on his stats, so tell me again that stats don't matter.

Romo has only played 3 seasons and has a lot ahead of him. I am not worried that he won't win several playoff games before his career is over. These people who say Romo can't be considered any good until he wins a few playoff games or a SB are confusing football with golf or tennis or some other individual activity. Football is a TEAM sport and until the TEAM starts playing well in December and the playoffs we won't win no matter how well Romo plays.

BTW, Jurgensen was a GREAT QB and deserved to be in the HoF. He was the Dan Marino of his day.

I remember him well he was a heck of a QB. Billy Kilmer followed and the Skins did get that SB later on but watching both QB play Sonny was a better QB and Kilmer hands down.

 

[THUMPER]

I remember him well he was a heck of a QB. Billy Kilmer followed and the Skins did get that SB later on but watching both QB play Sonny was a better QB and Kilmer hands down.

The funny thing is, I liked Jurgensen as a QB but can't stand him now as an announcer, he is the ultimate Commanders homer.

Kilmer was one of those guys who stunk as a passer but found ways to win anyway. His wobbly passes were ugly but effective. I didn't like him but he was one tough SOB. His career was nearly ended after a car wreck broke his leg and it took him a number of years to recover. His career really didn't take off until he was with the Commanders and had a very good team around him. He was a terrible passer but a good leader late in his career.

 

[Doomsday101]

The funny thing is, I liked Jurgensen as a QB but can't stand him now as an announcer, he is the ultimate Commanders homer.

Kilmer was one of those guys who stunk as a passer but found ways to win anyway. His wobbly passes were ugly but effective. I didn't like him but he was one tough SOB. His career was nearly ended after a car wreck broke his leg and it took him a number of years to recover. His career really didn't take off until he was with the Commanders and had a very good team around him. He was a terrible passer but a good leader late in his career.

Well his SB came off the legs of a damn good RB in Larry Brown who the Commanders wore down as he continued to play through a tough knee injury instead of giving him time to heal they played him hard.

 

[Idgit]

Tell that to a defense that is worn out and discouraged after several short drives ended by a turnover.

They'd be on the bench if the QB got the team in position to win the game at the end.

You think Romo's putting undue pressure on the defense? That's not a conclusion I'd generally draw from his play.

 

[Alexander]

You think Romo's putting undue pressure on the defense?

I think his turnovers have. The Pittsburgh game was a classic example. That was a great defense performance sullied by his miscues.

Last year it seemed much more profound. Not only did he turn the ball over more, they were more inappropriate and often quick.

 

[Idgit]

I think his turnovers have. The Pittsburgh game was a classic example. That was a great defense performance sullied by his miscues.

Last year it seemed much more profound. Not only did he turn the ball over more, they were more inappropriate and often quick.

Romo blew the PIT game on the pick-6, no doubt about it.

I get what you're saying, and the fumbles in particular were out of control. There's no denying the guy keeps his teams in striking distance even when he's made mistakes, and the rest of the team isn't good enough ton convince me that the reality is we should just be blowing everyone out if it weren't for Romo's turnovers.

I'm sure the hand injury played a role in the fumbles last year, but we'll see soon enough whether that's something he can control the rest of his career.

 

[CATCH17]

I think his turnovers have. The Pittsburgh game was a classic example. That was a great defense performance sullied by his miscues.

Last year it seemed much more profound. Not only did he turn the ball over more, they were more inappropriate and often quick.

Our defense has let us down a lot more than Romo has and Romo was the guy who has had to take the heat for it.


Our D did step up last year but then crumbled in the Ravens game.

Even so a lot of Romo's "chokes" have been because we had to force things towards end of games when Romo had done his best the entire time to put us in a position to win.

 

[Idgit]

Our defense has let us down a lot more than Romo has and Romo was the guy who has had to take the heat for it.


Our D did step up last year but then crumbled in the Ravens game.

Even so a lot of Romo's "chokes" have been because we had to force things towards end of games when Romo had done his best the entire time to put us in a position to win.

That's one thing about Romo's picks that he's mentioned previously: the guy has an unusual awareness of where on the field it's appropriate to take chances, and of when in a game he even has to take low-percentage shots to try to win. He'll throw a pick on a bad read or a poor throw now and then, but more often than not he gets nabbed when a defender makes a good play when Tony takes risks.

The exception to this was at the end of the year last year, when it seemed like he and his receivers just weren't on the same page too often. Whether it was TO trying to get Tony's attention to freelance a route, or the Witten miscue in the PIT game, or maybe RW being so new to the team. It looked like communication and preparation problems to me.

 

[CATCH17]

That's one thing about Romo's picks that he's mentioned previously: the guy has an unusual awareness of where on the field it's appropriate to take chances, and of when in a game he even has to take low-percentage shots to try to win. He'll throw a pick on a bad read or a poor throw now and then, but more often than not he gets nabbed when a defender makes a good play when Tony takes risks.

The exception to this was at the end of the year last year, when it seemed like he and his receivers just weren't on the same page too often. Whether it was TO trying to get Tony's attention to freelance a route, or the Witten miscue in the PIT game, or maybe RW being so new to the team. It looked like communication and preparation problems to me.

There were a lot of different reasons for the struggles last year but our offense isn't anywhere as bad as the posters on this board would have you believe.

I assume the fans who say our offense sucked don't watch a lot of other teams play other than Dallas.

 

[Idgit]

There were a lot of different reasons for the struggles last year but our offense isn't anywhere as bad as the posters on this board would have you believe.

I assume the fans who say our offense sucked don't watch a lot of other teams play other than Dallas.

Definitely. Just take a look at the defensive rankings to see why we dropped off on offense. By the end of the year, though, I saw Romo throw several balls in one direction where the receiver went in the other. It even happened with Witten a few times, which I don't recall seeing before.

 

[peplaw06]

I think his turnovers have. The Pittsburgh game was a classic example. That was a great defense performance sullied by his miscues.

Last year it seemed much more profound. Not only did he turn the ball over more, they were more inappropriate and often quick.

The Baltimore game was overall a great offensive performance against a top notch defense that was sullied by the poor performance of the defense. It works both ways.