Tony Romo is again the #1 Rated QB

[SaintReginald]

i just read this on SI.com. Apparently when Romo played against the texans and threw only 2 passes (completing both, with one for a touchdown) and received a perfect QB rating which is factored into his yearly ratings...further proof on the argument that qb rating stats are a bit questionable. (yes that includes for my man brees..)

 

[Hostile]

i just read this on SI.com. Apparently when Romo played against the texans and threw only 2 passes (completing both, with one for a touchdown) and received a perfect QB rating which is factored into his yearly ratings...further proof on the argument that qb rating stats are a bit questionable. (yes that includes for my man brees..)

I think QB rating is calculated on a cumulative basis, not game by game getting an average. So when and where he threw those 2 passes and their results are irrelevant to how high the rating is. In other words, if he had a 10 rating in that game for those 2 passes it would not drop his overall QB rating into the 80's.

 

[joseephuss]

i just read this on SI.com. Apparently when Romo played against the texans and threw only 2 passes (completing both, with one for a touchdown) and received a perfect QB rating which is factored into his yearly ratings...further proof on the argument that qb rating stats are a bit questionable. (yes that includes for my man brees..)

Take away his appearance in the Texans game and he has a 96.8 rating for the season, which would rank him #6 in the NFL and #2 in the NFC.

How about taking out his stats from the first Giants game? He didn't practice that week as the starter. He had to come in the game in the 2nd half with the Giants leading and with momentum. That would give him a 100.0 rating, but it shouldn't be done. Every pass matters. What matters most is watching them play. I am sure most guys don't consider what he did against the Texans. What matters is the games he led the Cowboys. They look at his last drive against the Giants when he hit Witten on a beautiful pass. He struggled that game statistically, but you can see he put Dallas in position to win. That matters much more than stats alone.

 

[gbrittain]

I am one of the few who does place some emphasis on the QB rating. No, it is not perfect and it is not a substitute for watching the game. You can have a horrible rating and a pretty good game or a good rating and a horrible game. It can happen. I do believe though that the QB rating is normally good for looking at what the QB has done over a period of time.

Kind of like sacks. A great sack master could go out and harass the QB all day long yet not have any sacks to show for it. However, at the end of the year typically the players that harassed the QB the most will also be the ones with the most sacks. Self explanatory if you ask me.

All that to say this. Forget the QB rating for a second and just see how much better this team is now than when Bledsoe was the helm. This team is a big time threat with Romo in charge. That is when you know you have made it at the QB position and deserving of all the accolades that accompany it.

Dallas was dead in the water before Romo. With Romo and a little bit of defense Dallas could easily be playing in the Super Bowl. Any single player that can elevate his team from also rans to Super Bowl contenders is deserving of a Pro Bowl nod.

 

[joseephuss]

I am one of the few who does place some emphasis on the QB rating. No, it is not perfect and it is not a substitute for watching the game. You can have a horrible rating and a pretty good game or a good rating and a horrible game. It can happen. I do believe though that the QB rating is normally good for looking at what the QB has done over a period of time.

Kind of like sacks. A great sack master could go out and harass the QB all day long yet not have any sacks to show for it. However, at the end of the year typically the players that harassed the QB the most will also be the ones with the most sacks. Self explanatory if you ask me.

All that to say this. Forget the QB rating for a second and just see how much better this team is now than when Bledsoe was the helm. This team is a big time threat with Romo in charge. That is when you know you have made it at the QB position and deserving of all the accolades that accompany it.

Dallas was dead in the water before Romo. With Romo and a little bit of defense Dallas could easily be playing in the Super Bowl. Any single player that can elevate his team from also rans to Super Bowl contenders is deserving of a Pro Bowl nod.

It is the Morton/Staubach part 2. It is a very similar situation. The team was decent with Morton, but Staubach was a difference maker and the team became a winner with him. Romo is obviously a difference maker and hopefully the Cowboys can become winners again.

It is not an exact same situation. We all know Romo is not as good Staubach. Just like Bledsoe is not as good as Morton.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is the Morton/Staubach part 2. It is a very similar situation. The team was decent with Morton, but Staubach was a difference maker and the team became a winner with him. Romo is obviously a difference maker and hopefully the Cowboys can become winners again.

It is not an exact same situation. We all know Romo is not as good Staubach. Just like Bledsoe is not as good as Morton.

Romo career is just starting so who knows how good he will be and what he may accoplish as the QB of this team. As Roger said recently he sees a lot of himself in Romo.

 

[burmafrd]

the rating system was developed in the 70's before the West Coast Offense was out. That is why so many mediocre WCO QB's have high ratings. It needs to be changed so that things like 3rd down conversion passes are added and completion % is downgraded. And YPA is emphasized; and INTs for TD's are give added weight to regular INTs.

 

[Doomsday101]

the rating system was developed in the 70's before the West Coast Offense was out. That is why so many mediocre WCO QB's have high ratings. It needs to be changed so that things like 3rd down conversion passes are added and completion % is downgraded. And YPA is emphasized; and INTs for TD's are give added weight to regular INTs.

I just wish there was a way not to punish the QB on ints that are not his fault or at least count less aginst him. When I see a WR have the ball bounce out of his hands and into the arms of a defender it is hard for me to blame the QB for that.

 

[joseephuss]

I just wish there was a way not to punish the QB on ints that are not his fault or at least count less aginst him. When I see a WR have the ball bounce out of his hands and into the arms of a defender it is hard for me to blame the QB for that.

That kind of stuff evens out. There are lots of passes where defenders should intercept the ball, but because of their stone hands they drop them.

 

[Doomsday101]

That kind of stuff evens out. There are lots of passes where defenders should intercept the ball, but because of their stone hands they drop them.

I have always tried to look at it that way as well but in the rating system ints really kills you.

 

[joseephuss]

the rating system was developed in the 70's before the West Coast Offense was out. That is why so many mediocre WCO QB's have high ratings. It needs to be changed so that things like 3rd down conversion passes are added and completion % is downgraded. And YPA is emphasized; and INTs for TD's are give added weight to regular INTs.

All the rules changes since the 70s have more of an impact on QB rating than running the WCO. It is just easier to throw the ball in today's era than in yesteryear. Perhaps they could include yards per completion and a TDs per completion into the mix. That would help even out the eras a little. Right now everything is based on attempts, which is good. Back in the day, they did not complete a high percentage of passes, but they tried to make sure their completions really meant something. Big gainers and TDs.

For example:

Joe Montana
63.2% completion percentage
7.5 yards per attempt
5.1% TDs per attempt
11.9 yards per completion
8.0% TDs per completion

Don Meredith
50.7% completion percentage
7.5 yards per attempt
5.8% TDs per attempt
14.7 yards per completion
11.5% TDs per completion

Johnny Unitas
54.6% completion percentage
7.8 yards per attempt
5.6% TDs per attempt
14.2 yards per completion
10.2% TDs per completion

 

[chinch]

the QB rating is a common problem for all sports where people glorify stats over what they see with their own eyes.

...why lost puppies like AROD are widely regarded as "the best player in baseball" when his teammate DEREK JETER is 2x the player Arod ever can dream of being, regardless of the stats.

the main problem with the "qb rating" is it's not weighted per stat it doesn't account for the system and it doesn't account for bad throws or RAC. worst of all it doesn't factor "clutch" obviously

a ball off the WRs hands that goes for an INT (ie terry had a couple this year) counts the same as throwing the ball into the breadbasket of the defender. that is silly.

a 2 yard dumpoff and 60 TD run (and #33 had few of those in his day) counts more than a 55-yard pass into the endzone.

it doesn't account for the fact you might have less TDs vs INTs (aikman) because you run the ball effectively at the goalline vs being pass happy (mcnabb, WCO) where almost every TD is a pass

either way the "rating" is more usefull for weeding out ineffective QBs.

most of the best "QB rating" players in recent years have been stat hangers and choke-artists in the crunch more than true playmakers. just look at this sorry list. 3 out of 4 you wouldn't want on your team for the most part of their career. Favre has been HORRIBLE for 3-4 years now and still is #12 all time. Warner had more bad years than good and is #2. Daunte Culpepper... Ugh

1 Steve Young * 96.8
2 KURT WARNER 94.1
3 PEYTON MANNING 93.5
4 Joe Montana * 92.3
5 DAUNTE CULPEPPER 91.5
6 MARC BULGER + 90.6
7 TOM BRADY 88.5
8 TRENT GREEN 88.3
9 MATT HASSELBECK 86.64
10 Otto Graham * # 86.63
11 Dan Marino * 86.4
12 BRETT FAVRE 86.0
13 JEFF GARCIA 85.8
14 DREW BREES + 84.9
15 BRIAN GRIESE 84.8
16 Rich Gannon 84.7
17 JAKE DELHOMME + 84.5
18 Jim Kelly * 84.39
19 BRAD JOHNSON 84.36
20 DONOVAN McNABB 84.08
21 MARK BRUNELL 84.07

 

[sonnyboy]

All the rules changes since the 70s have more of an impact on QB rating than running the WCO. It is just easier to throw the ball in today's era than in yesteryear. Perhaps they could include yards per completion and a TDs per completion into the mix. That would help even out the eras a little. Right now everything is based on attempts, which is good. Back in the day, they did not complete a high percentage of passes, but they tried to make sure their completions really meant something. Big gainers and TDs.

For example:

Joe Montana
63.2% completion percentage
7.5 yards per attempt
5.1% TDs per attempt
11.9 yards per completion
8.0% TDs per completion

Don Meredith
50.7% completion percentage
7.5 yards per attempt
5.8% TDs per attempt
14.7 yards per completion
11.5% TDs per completion

Johnny Unitas
54.6% completion percentage
7.8 yards per attempt
5.6% TDs per attempt
14.2 yards per completion
10.2% TDs per completion

GREAT POST! I've been complaining about this rating system forever.
From what I understand these categories each get a 25% weighting:
COMP%--YPA--%TD--%INT
The flaw is counting COMP%. YPA is the key stat. It should get a 50% weighting and COMP% should be dropped.
Look at these stats. Assuning Montana and Meredith had the same INT% Montana would get a higher rating because of Comp%.
Even though Don had the same YPA and a HIGHER %TD.

In my near perfect system YPA would count 50% and %INT would count 25%
For TD's I'd have a more complex formula that gave a QB credit for all offensive points scored including FG's and a double credit for the points scored passing. This formula would count 25% in the final rating.

This way a QB would get credit for all those last minute drives that ended in a FG when a TD wasn't needed and credit for all those scoring drives that ended in a one yard TD run. At the same time the QB that actually throw the TD would get extra credit.

My system would more accurately measure how well a QB performed. You wouldn't get these skewed one game results like Romo's in NY.
He was exceptional in that game but given little credit because of the 58 rating.
It doesn't matter that his 7.56 YPA was better than Eli's. That two of his drives were in hurry up mode and resulted in a FG when a TD wasn't needed or practical. That two of his drives ended in a one yard Barber run, when he did most of the damage.
All people see is the 58 rating and say bad game certainly not as good as Eli with his 103 rating.
I see a game as good as any he played.
If you put Romo and Eli's stats in my formula they would rate much closer.

 

[silverbear]

in the NFL per NFL.com

Carson Palmer dropped to 4th @ 96.9 (with his "performance" tonight)

Romo is #1 @ 98.4

Uhhh, Peyton Manning's rating is 99.0...

But Romo is indeed second... and he's the top rated QB in the NFC...

 

[Screw The Hall]

What Romo has done for his football team they can't put a numeric value on.

How do you quantify going from screwed to anything is possible?

 

[smarta5150]

Isnt P Manning #1 with a 99 ?

Romo 98.4.

 

[LeonDixson]

You edited the post. When I replied, all that was there was "per NFL.com" as evidenced by my quote of your post.

Not arguing here, but I have a question. Isn't a post that has been edited labled "edited" along with the number of edits? Or is there a way for a non-mod poster to erase the label?

 

[burmafrd]

Daunte Culpepper, according to rating, is the 5th best QB of all time.Better then Tom Brady, Marino, Staubach, Aikman, Elway, etc. Tell me that rating is worth much. Brian Griese has a higher rating then Aikamn, Elway, Staubach.
what a joke.

 

[jeffreyweinstein33]

in the NFL per NFL.com

Carson Palmer dropped to 4th @ 96.9 (with his "performance" tonight)

Romo is #1 @ 98.4

He is second to Peyton Manning, not first.

 

[superpunk]

Is it that hard to look at a six page thread that was started yesterday to realize this guy's already been corrected about 1100 times?