Tony Romo Stats

[percyhoward]

Just curious Percy, where does Romo rank on this list?

Peyton Manning (14) 1999-2010, 2012-13
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (11) 2001-07, 09-12
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Sammy Baugh (9) 1937, 40-45, 47, 49
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 57, 61-63
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Ben Roethlisberger (8) 2004-05, 07, 09-13
Drew Brees (8) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-13
Otto Graham (7) 1947, 49-53, 55
Charlie Connerly (7) 1948, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (7) 1950-53, 55, 59-60
Bob Griese (7) 1968, 71, 73-74, 76-78
Roger Staubach (7) 1971, 73, 75-79
Mark Brunell (7) 1996-98, 2000-02, 06
Tony Romo (7) 2006-09, 11-13

 

[percyhoward]

As I said, because it's become a more pass oriented league with QBs who understand the game a lot more. Even though the difficulty has gone up, you have QBs who can perform much better.

I'm not saying the rule changes haven't been a factor, but I think they're less of a factor than people want to claim.

We're kind of spinning our wheels now.

 

[DandyDon1722]

And this greatest QB and football player who ever lived isn't on that list... Joe Montana

I'm never going to say Montana wasn't great or clutch but there is no mistaking the fact that on the game winning Super Bowl drive agains the Bengals, on the pass before the TD to Taylor he threw a game ending interception right in the hands of cornerback Lewis Billips who dropped or it would've been one of the most bone-headed throws in Super Bowl history.

A little good fortune never hurt anybody - ask Eli.

 

[jobberone]

....snip....
He is 3 for 5 on passes thrown 41+ yards

Surprisingly he is 2 for 10 on passes thrown 31-40 yards... we need to start hitting on these.

He is 6 of 14 for passes thrown 21-30 yards.

I think this is the result of having a real offensive coordinator in Linehan, having a real offensive line, and having a supportive running game.

50% CR on DP (deep passes= >20yds) is a very good number. So he is having a very good year.

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I'll look for a breakdown of the long passes. Right now that's just those over 20.

 

[jobberone]

I think people have been unfair in regards to this.

I don't think it's just the pass happy rule changes, but also that QBs are playing better football than they ever have before. They're more athletic, have stronger arms, and have a better understanding of the game.

You can leave Unitas out of the latter part of the last statement. And leave Graham out of the last sentence altogether.

Manning reminds me of Unitas and that says a lot for me. Graham might have been the best ever. You can't use rankings solely anymore than just your eyes. But I believe in the eyes more than most although I would say using the brain which can calculate all of it better than a computer can. But I'm not saying dismiss the rankings or ratings or whatever stats you use. The stats and your eyes have to corroborate each other.

Otherwise you leave out a QB like Aikman who managed a run happy team. You also leave out QBs who played on horrible teams or even those just not good enough.

Finally, you do have to factor in the intangibles like those of a Staubach or (yuck) Montana.

The latter is why you cannot leave out a QB like Otto Graham (even though some of you have to look him up to know who he is).

 

[DallasInDC]

Peyton Manning (14) 1999-2010, 2012-13
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (11) 2001-07, 09-12
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Sammy Baugh (9) 1937, 40-45, 47, 49
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 57, 61-63
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Ben Roethlisberger (8) 2004-05, 07, 09-13
Drew Brees (8) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-13
Otto Graham (7) 1947, 49-53, 55
Charlie Connerly (7) 1948, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (7) 1950-53, 55, 59-60
Bob Griese (7) 1968, 71, 73-74, 76-78
Roger Staubach (7) 1971, 73, 75-79
Mark Brunell (7) 1996-98, 2000-02, 06
Tony Romo (7) 2006-09, 11-13

Thanks Percy! So by the end of this year, he will be somewhere between 9th and 11th (depending on where Brees and Roethlisberger finish this year). pretty amazing when you consider Brees became a starter 4 years earlier and only had 1 more year in the top 10, Brady started 5 more years with 4 more years in the top 10, i.e. Romo is trending better than the top active QBs. If Romo can continue his pace for three more years he will finish in the top 5. Amazing for a QB who gets so little credit for his statistical accomplishments.

 

[Gameover]

I'm never going to say Montana wasn't great or clutch but there is no mistaking the fact that on the game winning Super Bowl drive agains the Bengals, on the pass before the TD to Taylor he threw a game ending interception right in the hands of cornerback Lewis Billips who dropped or it would've been one of the most bone-headed throws in Super Bowl history.

A little good fortune never hurt anybody - ask Eli.

Ask Troy and Michael!! They're in the HOF because of it!!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The thing is, he was usually pretty good without a running game. It's just a shame it took Dallas this long to put one back together, because there's a season or two they might have been able to make some noise in the playoffs had they had an O-line like this one.

Dallas always had a run game. You'd have to go back to.....maybe the Troy Hambrick era to go back to when they didn't.

 

[SuspectCorner]

I believe most of us can agree that Romo is anything BUT a chink in the Dallas Cowboys' armor... if the team should falter it will be resultant of some OTHER area of weakness.

 

[DFWJC]

Peyton Manning (14) 1999-2010, 2012-13
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (11) 2001-07, 09-12
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Sammy Baugh (9) 1937, 40-45, 47, 49
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 57, 61-63
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Ben Roethlisberger (8) 2004-05, 07, 09-13
Drew Brees (8) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-13
Otto Graham (7) 1947, 49-53, 55
Charlie Connerly (7) 1948, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (7) 1950-53, 55, 59-60
Bob Griese (7) 1968, 71, 73-74, 76-78
Roger Staubach (7) 1971, 73, 75-79
Mark Brunell (7) 1996-98, 2000-02, 06
Tony Romo (7) 2006-09, 11-13

Nice list

A huge factor on how high you are, however, is how many years you were the starting QB.

Other than the broken collarbone season, it looks like Romo is 100%?
So he'll be tied with YA Tittle after this year if he keeps it up.

To me, one of the many amazing things about Montana was that his postseason QB rating was also in the 90s...and even higher than his regular season numbers.
I know he played on preposterously good teams, but still...
That's very rare.

In fact, most QB at all levels usually see the QB rating drop 7-10% with the much higher completion in the playoffs.
Not Joe.

 

[Galian Beast]

Dallas always had a run game. You'd have to go back to.....maybe the Troy Hambrick era to go back to when they didn't.

That's just not true. We had a decent running game in 2009, and part of 2011...

Consistency in the run has never really been there though.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

We're kind of spinning our wheels now.

You are, but I think it's worth one more try.

Galian, one can't logically credit passer rating inflation to the greater athleticism and knowledge of today's QBs once you accept that defenses are also more athletic and knowledgeable. Any advantage QBs gain by being more athletic and having a better understanding of the game is presumably offset by competing against players that are also more athletic and have a better understanding of the game.

The explanation for passer rating inflation logically lies elsewhere.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Peyton Manning (14) 1999-2010, 2012-13
Joe Montana (12) 1980-85, 87-90, 93-94
Fran Tarkenton (11) 1964, 67-70, 72-77
Dan Marino (11) 1983-87, 90-92, 94-96
Tom Brady (11) 2001-07, 09-12
Johnny Unitas (10) 1956-60, 63-67
Brett Favre (10) 1992, 94-97, 2001, 03, 04, 07, 09
Sammy Baugh (9) 1937, 40-45, 47, 49
Y.A. Tittle (8) 1948, 52-54, 57, 61-63
Len Dawson (8) 1962-68, 71
Ken Anderson (8) 1973-75, 77, 79, 81-83
Dan Fouts (8) 1978-85
Steve Young (8) 1991-98
Ben Roethlisberger (8) 2004-05, 07, 09-13
Drew Brees (8) 2004-06, 08-09, 11-13
Otto Graham (7) 1947, 49-53, 55
Charlie Connerly (7) 1948, 52, 54, 55-57, 59
Norm Van Brocklin (7) 1950-53, 55, 59-60
Bob Griese (7) 1968, 71, 73-74, 76-78
Roger Staubach (7) 1971, 73, 75-79
Mark Brunell (7) 1996-98, 2000-02, 06
Tony Romo (7) 2006-09, 11-13

Arguably, top ten passer ratings should be divided by years in which they started (and perhaps had some minimum number of pass attempts, in order to account for injury-shortened seasons). This list undervalues a guy like Staubach who had a relatively short career.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Nice list

A huge factor on how high you are, however, is how many years you were the starting QB.

Beat me to it.

 

[percyhoward]

A huge factor on how high you are, however, is how many years you were the starting QB.

Beat me to it.

Look at the years listed, guys.

Here's a different list:

Consecutive Seasons
Top 10 Passers
(adjusted for league size)
14 Manning (1999-2010, 2012-2013)
11 Brady (2001-07, 09-12)
8 Fouts (1978-85)
8 Young (1991-98)
7 Dawson (1962-68)
7 Romo (2006-09, 2011-13)
6 Griese (1971, 73-74, 76-78)
6 Baugh (1940-45)
6 Tarkenton (1972-77)
5 Unitas (1963-67)

Gaps are non-qualifying seasons (not enough attempts).

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Look at the years listed, guys.

Thanks Percy. I had understood the years listed to be those in which they had top ten passer ratings. Do the listed years represent something other than that?

In any event, I guess I'm suggesting that yrs with a top 10 passer rating as a percentage of years as a starter might be a fairer metric, since the raw number of yrs as a top 10 passer doesn't account for the fact that QBs with fewer qualifying years will have had fewer opportunities. Your response suggests I'm missing something but I must confess I still don't see what it is I'm missing.

 

[burmafrd]

As I said, because it's become a more pass oriented league with QBs who understand the game a lot more. Even though the difficulty has gone up, you have QBs who can perform much better.

I'm not saying the rule changes haven't been a factor, but I think they're less of a factor than people want to claim.

You clearly never saw the game in the pre 1977 era. DBs could MUG wrs and nothing was called. Lester Hayes was all over a guy all the time.

The rule changes are HUGE for QB play. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap.

 

[Temo]

You clearly never saw the game in the pre 1977 era. DBs could MUG wrs and nothing was called. Lester Hayes was all over a guy all the time.

The rule changes are HUGE for QB play. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of crap.

What I don't get is why then DBs and defenses of this era who still do well don't get more credit. Like the Seahawks last year limiting opposing offenses to 5 yards per pass attempt, by far the best in the league. Yet no one says they're one of the best defenses ever, or that Richard Sherman is one of the best DBs ever.

You can't have it both ways where everyone "back in the day" was better than everyone now.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's just not true. We had a decent running game in 2009, and part of 2011...

Consistency in the run has never really been there though.

What's not true? Whether it was Julius and Barber, Tashard, Felix and Barber or Demarco and Felix....the run game has always been there. Now were we run first teams? No. But they've had decent lines and solid running backs here.

 

[mahoneybill]

No way. Montana had ice water running through is veins. 4 Superbowls- a number of close ones, and he didn't have the Steel Curtain defense helping him (although the 49ers defense was pretty good).

Montana was actually awarded a basketball scholarship, but decided to play football. For those who remember his style of play he had some BB like moments in his movement, and passing.