Twitter: Tony Romo talking with Norm - 12/28/15

[Cebrin]

Can we at least eliminate the chance that we draft a former baseball player?

You mean like the one who's won two games since he left Dallas for Houston? Clearly QB isn't the only thing causing this offense not to produce.

 

[MRV52]

Can they take Romo to a metal shop and insert some iron into him. Just putting a plate on his collar bone is not enough, they have to stengthen entire body.

 

[DABOYZ]

You mean like the one who's won two games since he left Dallas for Houston? Clearly QB isn't the only thing causing this offense not to produce.

haha, a Weeden supporter. Move to Cleveland and follow Weeden. He sucks regardless of any system. This team could have ran the ball 50 times a game and been 8-8. Don't be fooled by the Weeds, he still sucks ***. You will see that in time grasshopper.

 

[bodi]

give me Wentz at the end of1st or top of the 2 nd

 

[visionary]

Way to put words in my mouth

Why don't you read ..
Then when you think you comprehend my point read again.. Ok?

Where do I say I have lost faith in talent evaluation ????? Where???

I simply state that evaluators over the years have been wrong too .., IT IS others who say they have no faith in our current evaluators .. Then they say show qbs taken since 91... I was pointing out that outside of a few former cowboy qbs the franchise as a whole has had its share of mis picks at qb when looking for that successor .. I personally love our chances of getting a good player not just in the first round but subsequent rounds as well...
Where we disagree is where you say it's a fact that one of the top 3 qbs taken in this years draft is guaranteed to be a top 10 qb in 5 years ..
That isn't factual ... That is pure speculation
So I understand your a visionary .. But even as wise as you are .. You can't predict future events as factual ..

I trust our teams evaluators will find there next Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, Tyron Smith etc .., but my realist side also understands that there is a chance of a Claiborne pick in there as well.. That's not losing faith .. That's understanding the FACT that even the best evaluators of talent can make a mistake ...
Let's agree to both hope they don't and that we find our next Aikman!!! That would be sweet !!!
I've been a cowboys fan for more than 40 years... I never give up or lose faith .. So don't confuse me with others visionary .., thx

Go cowboys !!!!

If that is the case, and evaluators have been right AND wrong then why do you say "evaluators can be wrong" and "it is a crap shoot". Why don't you say "evaluators can be right and I have faith they can pick the right QB". Why not state the positive rather than the negative. You are basically starting with a defense for the failure you expect from our FO just in case that failure happens so you can point to it later. It is a well known defense mechanism and tells me what you really think.

I never called your fan good into question So the fact that you feel you have to "defend it" is also telling about your thinking

Of course we both would like our FO to make the right pick but using the possibility of failure as a reason to run and hide is not a strategy for success. I have little doubt though that it is exactly what jerry will do

 

[cheftjpeck]

If that is the case, and evaluators have been right AND wrong then why do you say "evaluators can be wrong" and "it is a crap shoot". Why don't you say "evaluators can be right and I have faith they can pick the right QB". Why not state the positive rather than the negative. You are basically starting with a defense for the failure you expect from our FO just in case that failure happens so you can point to it later. It is a well known defense mechanism and tells me what you really think.

I never called your fan good into question So the fact that you feel you have to "defend it" is also telling about your thinking

Of course we both would like our FO to make the right pick but using the possibility of failure as a reason to run and hide is not a strategy for success. I have little doubt though that it is exactly what jerry will do

Partially wrong again .... Oh well no use trying to convince you
You go ahead and think you know what I mean ... Go ahead and think I'm defending myself when I am clarifying
While you are at it .. Look up any of MY posts and see where I call out office as having an inability to make picks ... Heck I'm still optimistically hopeful that Claiborne becomes something for the Cowboys ...
You are mistaking me for some others here but oh well ..
Never once have I hedged a bet to come back later to call it out but hey you claim that's me so it must be true (sarcasm) LOL
my point about evaluators was simply to point out that previous regimes evaluators have struggled at times as well but too many use selective history for their agendas. It was in essence to defend current regimes evaluators

But if me saying that the draft process is a crap shoot means I am saying I don't trust our evaluators then you are really reaching to find negativity in my posts and that is telling about who you are I guess ... I don't know ..
The draft process is a science to a point however like anything in life there are no guarantees .. But that doesn't mean the evaluation and homework was wrong .. Saying that makes me negative ? Oh ok ..

 

[vaturkey]

I still remember the stupid play to move up for Claiborne. Going to be the next Deon Sanders, the ultimate of shutdown corners. Never had the speed of Prime, never had the hands of Prime, never had the ball skills of Prime. If you look at who the other corner was a LSU when Claiborne was there you will quickly learn that its better to evaluate one great corner on a team who has to defend every teams top receiver rather then the other guy who is always matched up against the opponents number 2 receiver. Look at the measurables. Peterson was taller, and faster and bigger then Claiborne.

 

[gmoney112]

I still remember the stupid play to move up for Claiborne. Going to be the next Deon Sanders, the ultimate of shutdown corners. Never had the speed of Prime, never had the hands of Prime, never had the ball skills of Prime. If you look at who the other corner was a LSU when Claiborne was there you will quickly learn that its better to evaluate one great corner on a team who has to defend every teams top receiver rather then the other guy who is always matched up against the opponents number 2 receiver. Look at the measurables. Peterson was taller, and faster and bigger then Claiborne.

I didn't mind the pick that yeae, mainly because I look at a lot of draft resources and the overwhelming opinion was that he was the best defensive prospect in that draft. Not sure what you mean by ball skills, he had 11 ints in 2 seasons.

Just goes to show, a player at a skill position doesn't need to necessarily blow up the Combine, but even with a productive college career, they need to fall within certain criteria.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Fact is there will be two QBs - Lynch and Goff - whose grade will fall within a few picks +\- of where we pick in the top 8. We need to take one of them. We were fortunate to get two first round talents - Gregory and Collins - last year without spending a first round pick. Now we are drafting at a place we are unlikely to be for a while (I hope). In these circumstances, there is no reason to pass on the Qb. Sit him behind Romo and Moore and develop him for a year or two. And hopefully when you need him, he is ready to become Aaron Rodgers or at worst Brock Osweiler.

 

[birdwells1]

Haven't you figured it out? Jerry is a copy cat. It started with him copying the Rams (greatest show on turf) by bringing in Galloway to pair with Rocket. Next, he saw the Eagles having success with McNabb (the runner/thrower) qb so who does he reach to draft (Q. Carter). When Sean Payton went to NO and had success transforming that organization and doing so by being an young offensive guru, who does JJ hire as coach another young offensive mind to run his team (JG). So when the Cardinals draft Peterson from LSU and he made a big splash returning kicks and playing corner who does JJ move up to draft? The other LSU corner. There's probably more examples but those are those ones I could think of off the top of my head.

 

[vaturkey]

I didn't mind the pick that yeae, mainly because I look at a lot of draft resources and the overwhelming opinion was that he was the best defensive prospect in that draft. Not sure what you mean by ball skills, he had 11 ints in 2 seasons.

Just goes to show, a player at a skill position doesn't need to necessarily blow up the Combine, but even with a productive college career, they need to fall within certain criteria.

We gave up a number 2 pick to move up for a guy who was never the stud there and who was almost always covering the number 2 receiver. I mean who would the opposing QB rather throw against, Peterson or Claiborne? Claiborne of course, but Claiborne was never covering the stud receiver on the other team, so he had a tendency to look better then he really was.

 

[Deep_South]

Not what I said. If Romo plays 2 more years, that's 2 years you have a 1 Rd pick sitting on the bench. That's plausible now, but I can see why they haven't drafted high in some time for QB. Personally, I don't think there's a top 10 talent at QB anywhere in this draft. They're all projects.

Yeah, I was talking about the general philosophy of the front office, and trying not to mention anyone's name to skirt the recent demands to compartmentalize observations about certain people who work there to other threads. That said, QB is clearly different than other positions, IMO, in that they are probably not going to play special teams, so they most likely won't play at all until something happens to the starter, or they beat out the starter. That's just the way it works, but it is the same for all of the teams, and I really don't think the solution is for us to only sign quarterbacks who have already proved they can't play at the NFL level or just aren't wanted by other teams. I think we should take a close look at QB this year, because we probably won't be drafting this high for quite a while.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Here's our QB draft history since our talent evaluators aren't trusted; I'll keep it at 25 years of history for simplicity sake:

2009 - Stephen McGee - Round 4, Pick 101
2002 - Quincy Carter - Round 2, Pick 53
1991 - Bill Musgrave - Round 4, Pick 106

The simple fact is that we don't draft QB's. We try and develop UFA's or vagabond veterans, but we've drafted three QB's in the last 25 years and none at an extremely premium pick. It's gotten us enough playoff wins to count on one hand and enough SB's to count on Captain Hook's hand.

Look around the league and you'll see that most starting QB's are high draft picks. They vary in quality, but the trend is obvious.

Different people evaluating talent so this is pretty much useless information. All those QB's were projects, with QC being the worst selection due to we wasted a 2rd round pick on the fool. But as much as I disliked him then and now, the guy did have some talent, just no brains and that was strictly a Jerry pick, much like Johnny Football would have been with the same results. Lucky for us, he was able to be talked out of it, so that gives us some hope. I am not for taking a QB high unless he is the BPA. I do not want to draft a QB with our 1st pick just to say we did it. Must find a player with that pick, regardless of the position taken.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Haven't you figured it out? Jerry is a copy cat. It started with him copying the Rams (greatest show on turf) by bringing in Galloway to pair with Rocket. Next, he saw the Eagles having success with McNabb (the runner/thrower) qb so who does he reach to draft (Q. Carter). When Sean Payton went to NO and had success transforming that organization and doing so by being an young offensive guru, who does JJ hire as coach another young offensive mind to run his team (JG). So when the Cardinals draft Peterson from LSU and he made a big splash returning kicks and playing corner who does JJ move up to draft? The other LSU corner. There's probably more examples but those are those ones I could think of off the top of my head.

Coincidence or irony?

 

[Cebrin]

haha, a Weeden supporter. Move to Cleveland and follow Weeden. He sucks regardless of any system. This team could have ran the ball 50 times a game and been 8-8. Don't be fooled by the Weeds, he still sucks ***. You will see that in time grasshopper.

Not a Weeded supporter in the slightest. Have several seats. Just goes to show that QB isn't the only reason we can't score TD's.

 

[Cebrin]

Yeah, I was talking about the general philosophy of the front office, and trying not to mention anyone's name to skirt the recent demands to compartmentalize observations about certain people who work there to other threads. That said, QB is clearly different than other positions, IMO, in that they are probably not going to play special teams, so they most likely won't play at all until something happens to the starter, or they beat out the starter. That's just the way it works, but it is the same for all of the teams, and I really don't think the solution is for us to only sign quarterbacks who have already proved they can't play at the NFL level or just aren't wanted by other teams. I think we should take a close look at QB this year, because we probably won't be drafting this high for quite a while.

I hear you. I'm not saying take a QB who isn't NFL caliber. Always do that, or what's the point? However, I believe this draft is nothing but capable QB's who all have a learning curve, and none of them are worth a 1st Rd pick who could contribute to your success immediately.

 

[SDCowboy]

I hear you. I'm not saying take a QB who isn't NFL caliber. Always do that, or what's the point? However, I believe this draft is nothing but capable QB's who all have a learning curve, and none of them are worth a 1st Rd pick who could contribute to your success immediately.

Well if they happen to have a learning curve, then it's a good thing we have a franchise QB they will be sitting behind.

 

[kristie]

Can they take Romo to a metal shop and insert some iron into him. Just putting a plate on his collar bone is not enough, they have to stengthen entire body.

you want them to turn him into iron man?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You can't win in the NFL without a QB, so if your strategy is to every year run away from picking a QB, then you may as well except losing and not care who we pick either way

 

[Irvin88_4life]

So your response to failed personnel decisions in the past is to just stop trying. Rebuild Romo until he's eligible for medicare.

No. I think this is exactly why you push for a QB early in the draft if the scouting grade is there. It's less of a projection. Take another in the draft too. Throw numbers at the position. Get it right so we don't have to play in the have nots conference in the NFL post-Romo.

The fact that you have no confidence in this front office's ability to find a QB should make you want them to get on it ASAP. It may take several attempts. Not wait until they have nothing and you're in crisis mode.

If QB is the best player take him. We can use help at every position