Tony Romo

[stilltheguru]

That is irrelevant to the point that both are high profile QBs in charge of Offenses that have put up big numbers and then got to the playoffs to lose on more than one occasion.

It honestly is not that hard to grasp.

You want exact copies and there are none. That is a strawman tactic that does not work.

Yeah it doesn't matter that Romo had PLENTY of help from his teammates in the playoffs where Peyton got barely any. Yep you are right.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah it doesn't matter that Romo had PLENTY of help from his teammates in the playoffs where Peyton got barely any. Yep you are right.

Yeah, Terry Glenn's drop in the endzone against the Seahawks helped a lot. Crayton's drop against the Giants was a huge assist.

You're grasping at straws man.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Some of you have to admit it is kind of funny that one basically lays it all on Tony and says it is his fault if we don't win or don't win a superbowl. So basically saying it is a one man team.

Then when the argument is made that another player on another team went through multiple years before they won a playoff game or went to the superbowl it is then argued that the other player had a crappy team around him. Notice it is no longer an onus on laying the blame all on one player if the TEAM does not succeed...it is now that one player is not to be exculsively blamed....why this turn around and double standard. I think it is quite obvious why.

I don't have a problem with those that criticize Romo fairly. I don't have a problem with them making good points in areas he needs improvement. But when you assign double standards to one player but not other players...that is another story.

Ladies and gentlemen this is a team sport. One player may get more of the blame but overall it is still a team game. If a punt returner fumbles the ball that is not the QBs fault. If the QB throws a pick it is not the OLBs fault.

Some have so much time invested in proving they are right about Romo (good or bad) that they will rarely be objective in looking at different areas. There are some that seem to make it their life mission to go from thread to thread to thread in order to make sure that the one or two posters on this site that have not heard their opinion already, gets to read it...even if it is the same opinion.

I think some people might want to consider asking this question to themselves.

Am I more interested in the team doing what is best to win or am I more interested in the team proving I am right?

I think if people are brutally honest with themselves, they might MIGHT come to the conclusion that they are going overboard and putting their own egos above what is the best for the team to win. In other words they would rather carry their fight on instead of sitting back and thinking things through objectively. Than again, I think there are some that don't care either way but care more for just trying to troll and cause drama.

 

[stilltheguru]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200701060sea.htm




^^Defense gave up 21 points. 2 interceptions, JJ rushed for over 100 yards AND he got a special teams touchdown.:laugh2:. Don't matter at all man.

 

[stilltheguru]

Some of you have to admit it is kind of funny that one basically lays it all on Tony and says it is his fault if we don't win or don't win a superbowl. So basically saying it is a one man team.

Then when the argument is made that another player on another team went through multiple years before they won a playoff game or went to the superbowl it is then argued that the other player had a crappy team around him. Notice it is no longer an onus on laying the blame all on one player if the TEAM does not succeed...it is now that one player is not to be exculsively blamed....why this turn around and double standard. I think it is quite obvious why.

I don't have a problem with those that criticize Romo fairly. I don't have a problem with them making good points in areas he needs improvement. But when you assign double standards to one player but not other players...that is another story.

Ladies and gentlemen this is a team sport. One player may get more of the blame but overall it is still a team game. If a punt returner fumbles the ball that is not the QBs fault. If the QB throws a pick it is not the OLBs fault.

Some have so much time invested in proving they are right about Romo (good or bad) that they will rarely be objective in looking at different areas. There are some that seem to make it their life mission to go from thread to thread to thread in order to make sure that the one or two posters on this site that have not heard their opinion already, gets to read it...even if it is the same opinion.

I think some people might want to consider asking this question to themselves.

Am I more interested in the team doing what is best to win or am I more interested in the team proving I am right?

I think if people are brutally honest with themselves, they might MIGHT come to the conclusion that they are going overboard and putting their own egos above what is the best for the team to win. In other words they would rather carry their fight on instead of sitting back and thinking things through objectively. Than again, I think there are some that don't care either way but care more for just trying to troll and cause drama.

Blah blah blah. 67 million and a Romo friendly offense says get the job done. I don't want to hear that other crap.

 

[Galian Beast]

in both playoff losses our defense gave up 21 points

in peyton manning's first playoff lose his defense gave up 19 points, yet his offense was only able to put up 16 points...

second time they only gave up 17 points in regulation, and lost in overtime. Obviously peyton's offense only put up 17 points.

Next playoff game was 0-41.

Guess what when you lose 41-0, its not just on your defense..

peyton manning intercepted twice, obviously no touchdowns, went 14-31

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Blah blah blah. 67 million and a Romo friendly offense says get the job done. I don't want to hear that other crap.

You prove one of my points or maybe another of my points.

You would rather YOU win the fight over what is best for the team OR you are just wanting to troll and cause drama.

You don't want to hear other crap unless you are arguing that same "crap" when talking about another player.

It is quite obvious you fit in one of the categories I described in my post and your reply is just further confirmation of it.

So thanks for stroking my ego and proving me right.:laugh2:

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Second to last play of the game. Cowboys/Ny Giants playoffs. From The Giant 27 I believe. Romo throws an absolute STRIKE into the endzone for Crayton. DEAD BANG accurate, shoulda been the game winner. But no, Crayton pulls up on his route for just a second, then restarts. Just enuff for the pass to miss by a foot or two. Yeah...with help like THAT Romo is better off without any...LOL That ONE play would have went a long way as to how our team and QB is percieved. Fact is, Romo drilled the game winner only to have it screwed up by Crayton. Go look at the clips, its there for anyone to see.......THAT WANTS TO. :bang2:

 

[stilltheguru]

You prove one of my points or maybe another of my points.

You would rather YOU win the fight over what is best for the team OR you are just wanting to troll and cause drama.

You don't want to hear other crap unless you are arguing that same "crap" when talking about another player.

It is quite obvious you fit in one of the categories I described in my post and your reply is just further confirmation of it.

So thanks for stroking my ego and proving me right.:laugh2:

If Romo leads this team to a playoff win. And yes, he will have to lead the team for them to win a playoff game. You think I'm going to come on here and say hes a failure?lol You didn't prove anything, so you are very much like Tony. Hope that strokes your ego some more. Get the job done and it doesn't matter what I think. I'm not even asking for a Super bowl or an NFC Championship. I'll settle for a playoff win. Too much to ask from Mr 67 mil?

 

[stilltheguru]

Second to last play of the game. Cowboys/Ny Giants playoffs. From The Giant 27 I believe. Romo throws an absolute STRIKE into the endzone for Crayton. DEAD BANG accurate, shoulda been the game winner. But no, Crayton pulls up on his route for just a second, then restarts. Just enuff for the pass to miss by a foot or two. Yeah...with help like THAT Romo is better off without any...LOL That ONE play would have went a long way as to how our team and QB is percieved. Fact is, Romo drilled the game winner only to have it screwed up by Crayton. Go look at the clips, its there for anyone to see.......THAT WANTS TO. :bang2:

Nobody talks about that Seattle game on here. It's avoided like the plague. hahahahahahahahaha

 

[Hostile]

Yeah it doesn't matter that Romo had PLENTY of help from his teammates in the playoffs where Peyton got barely any. Yep you are right.

Oh, and for the record, Peyton's playoff games.

1999...16-19 loss to the Titans.

2000...17-23 loss to the Dolphins in Overtime.

2002...0-41 loss to the Jets. (This is the only one that fits your criteria of no help from his team.)

2003...He won 2 games before losing in the Championship. The "can't win" mantra shifted from "he can't win in the post season," to "he can't beat New England." This happened because New England eliminated the Colts in 2003 & 2004.

2005 he took a 14-2 team and lost 18-21 to the Steelers. Suddenly it was "he has all this talent and can't put it all together."

2006 he won the Super Bowl and beat the Patriots on the march to do it.

Your argument has more holes than Swiss cheese.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Nobody talks about that Seattle game on here. It's avoided like the plague. hahahahahahahahaha

Says the man AVOIDING the scenario I just posted about. Toooooooooo funny!

 

[Hostile]

Blah blah blah. 67 million and a Romo friendly offense says get the job done. I don't want to hear that other crap.

He's had 5 games of "Romo Friendly." You've got the cart in front of the horse. Either that or your head up a dark smelly place.

 

[Hostile]

Nobody talks about that Seattle game on here. It's avoided like the plague. hahahahahahahahaha

That's funny, two of us have in this very thread.

What does sand smell like? Does it sting in the nostrils?

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

You want to keep bringing up the Seattle game as if that game is some kind of PROOF POSITIVE for your argument. Fact is, only thing Romo did wrong in that game really was the botched snap. That was Romo's first HALF season as starter and 1st playoff game. Parcells kept him in check and used him as a game manager, he wasnt really allowed to make any big plays or big mistakes. His numbers bear this out. Plus...theres the whole Terry Glenn goal line botchup and Witten close/ miscall at the goal line to consider.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Arguing with an idiot, or someone who just likes to argue for the sake of arguing is much the same as arguing with a DRUNK. Cant be done...Period. Mights not even waste the time, total futility......

 

[stilltheguru]

You want to keep bringing up the Seattle game as if that game is some kind of PROOF POSITIVE for your argument. Fact is, only thing Romo did wrong in that game really was the botched snap. That was Romo's first HALF season as starter and 1st playoff game. Parcells kept him in check and used him as a game manager, he wasnt really allowed to make any big plays or big mistakes. His numbers bear this out. Plus...theres the whole Terry Glenn goal line botchup and Witten close/ miscall at the goal line to consider.

Miscall at the goalline huh?lol It's never Tonys fault is it? It's not his fault that he went to Glenn on the goalline when TO was on the other side and a waayyyyyyyy better player after the catch. It's not his fault he went to Glenn instead of TO in the Giants playoff game because he just came back from 15 weeks off. Never Tony's fault though.

 

[Doomsday101]

If having one of the better QB's in the NFL is wrong I don't want to be right. :laugh2:

I'm not offended in the least when some will say Petyon, Brady and Brees are better QB's fact is these 3 QB's are great and Romo himself is one of the better QB's in this league and I can promise you if he were ever on the market it would not take long for clubs to come calling for his service as a starting QB.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

Miscall at the goalline huh?lol It's never Tonys fault is it? It's not his fault that he went to Glenn on the goalline when TO was on the other side and a waayyyyyyyy better player after the catch. It's not his fault he went to Glenn instead of TO in the Giants playoff game because he just came back from 15 weeks off. Never Tony's fault though.

Theres alot of things that are Tony's fault. But not everything. Care to explain how the scenario I outlined earlier was Tony's fault? Second to last play of Giants playoff game, PERFECT pass in the endzone???????Crayton doesnt stop that route and we win, team and Romo's future dramatically altered. THAT is a FACT.

 

[Clove]

Who would've thought Romo is only one year younger than Brees. Feels like Brees has been around forever. Boy is he fun to watch. Remember when the cowboys used to come out of nowhere with a play call and you're like, "wow, great call". When's the last time you said that? I can say i haven't said that for years. Now all I say is, "here comes the draw".... i'm right every time.

My point is there's more to it than just the quarterback. I feel like the order of importance is

1. quarterback
2. system
3. talent around the quarterback

Brees is a very good quarterback, but more importantly, he plays in a great system and has clearly mastered it. His wide receivers aren't above average, Brees and Payton make them look better than they are.

Offensively, the one thing the cowboys lack is the system. Put Romo in the right system with the current talent and the Cowboys would be a much better offense, not that they're terrible now.

I'd probably keep Brees out of the argument since he's not won a damn thing either. They are the same to me so far.