Top "needs" on the roster

[BigStar]

Quoted for truth.

Who? Specifically? I'll wait (Lee?)

 

[skinsscalper]

Ware, Ratliff, Lee, Crawford, Bass, Spencer and for a stretch Hatcher. Any you disagree with?

 

[BigStar]

Ware, Ratliff, Lee, Crawford, Bass, Spencer and for a stretch Hatcher. Any you disagree with?

Crawford/Bass? Ware (ok)...Spencer was out bf game one...Rat? Dag, that's what you have clinged to? A player who refused to work with the team on any level? That's junk dude. I really see two playes (Ware/Spencer). Not exactly an "endless amount of injuries, esp considering one(two with Rat) didn't play a snap all year. Hatcher had a pro bowl season despite his injuries? Great foresight I guess? You mean our DL with 30+ players didn't work out? Ok

Injury excuse is bunk, just bc you brought in a bunch of steet DL who got injured, doesn't mean we were "blindsided" by injury. This excuse is old.

 

[skinsscalper]

Crawford/Bass? Ware (ok)...Spencer was out bf game one...Rat? Dag, that's what you have clinged to? A player who refused to work with the team on any level? That's junk dude. I really see two playes (Ware/Spencer). Not exactly an "endless amount of injuries, esp considering one(two with Rat) didn't play a snap all year. Great foresight I guess?

When is comparison to guys like Hayden and Wynn I'd call Bass and Crawford significant losses. Bass was touted by Hatcher himself as the reason he would be playing somewhere else this season before he was injured. Bag on Ratliff all you want but when healthy he is a damned solid contributor and just as much as a "former Pro Bowler" (not your quote) as Ware and Spencer, ****** bag tendencies aside.

To add Claiborne missed some serious time, also (certainly not conducive to his development) as well as the ENTIRE LB corp.

 

[BigStar]

When is comparison to guys like Hayden and Wynn I'd call Bass and Crawford significant losses. Bass was touted by Hatcher himself as the reason he would be playing somewhere else this season before he was injured. Bag on Ratliff all you want but when healthy he is a damned solid contributor and just as much as a "former Pro Bowler" (not your quote) as Ware and Spencer, ****** bag tendencies aside.

To add Claiborne missed some serious time, also (certainly not conducive to his development) as well as the ENTIRE LB corp.

I hear ya dude, it wasn't like we went injury free. But to act like what happened last season was a result of injuries? The only player I can think of that hurt us was Lee. He runs the D. The DL (depth) shouldn't be part of the discussion when arguing contribution. Depth is depth. It's like we are acting like All Pros were injured, when they were just JAGS. That is more of my point if that makes sense. Good teams manage injuries from JAGS.

 

[skinsscalper]

I hear ya dude, it wasn't like we went injury free. But to act like what happened last season was a result of injuries? The only player I can think of that hurt us was Lee. He runs the D. The DL (depth) shouldn't be part of the discussion when arguing contribution. Depth is depth. It's like we are acting like All Pros were injured, when they were just JAGS. That is more of my point if that makes sense.

True to an extent, BS. However, an element that's missing from that argument is continuity. It's juts as important as the actual talent in many situations. When the guy next to you doesn't even know your name (which was actually quoted by a Dline player last season) then it's impossible for him to know your tendencies and whether or not he can trust you to to handle your assignment so that he's comfortable in handling his own.

This, I believe, is where you and I see it on diametric opposites. You see it as strictly a talent issue. There's some merit to that. I believe that the injury problem runs much deeper than that. When you combine the talent deficiency and add to it a lack of trust amongst players then you have the problem that we had last year which, ulitimately, was a result of a massive amount of injuries (injuries that didn't just cease at the second string, btw).

Good football discussion, dude. Thanks for making me think about it.

 

[burmafrd]

we keep hearing how good Crawford is. Well he has never done it in a real game that shows much of anything has he?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

While Safety is a huge need.... it's hard to see LB as a strength right now, Carter with an Off Year, Lee with another injury and Durant failing to exceed any worthwhile expectations.

Sure everyone gets better with a dominant Dline but we all know from the 90's how the 4/3 ultimately works, pursuit with the LBs and Safeties have to be there.

Dallas will have to have speed and durability on the back 7 to make the 4/3 click again.

 

[skinsscalper]

we keep hearing how good Crawford is. Well he has never done it in a real game that shows much of anything has he?

There's merit to that, burm. There's also merit to the fact that Crawford wasn't going to get much of a chance to unseat a guy that they had given the franchise tag and the money that goes along with it.

I don't think the argument is so much about how good Crawford is but about how good Crawford may be or could have been last year given a healthy shot, FWIW.

 

[BigStar]

True to an extent, BS. However, an element that's missing from that argument is continuity. It's juts as important as the actual talent in many situations. When the guy next to you doesn't even know your name (which was actually quoted by a Dline player last season) then it's impossible for him to know your tendencies and whether or not he can trust you to to handle your assignment so that he's comfortable in handling his own.

This, I believe, is where you and I see it on diametric opposites. You see it as strictly a talent issue. There's some merit to that. I believe that the injury problem runs much deeper than that. When you combine the talent deficiency and add to it a lack of trust amongst players then you have the problem that we had last year which, ulitimately, was a result of a massive amount of injuries (injuries that didn't just cease at the second string, btw).

Good football discussion, dude. Thanks for making me think about it.

That's fair, and and a good counter I agree about Bass/Crawford's potential though (even using them to counter you ) Love Bass's potential. I really don't think the DL is as far off as many think. Selvie was great find and love that the team resigned him bf making it an issue (good look JJ; I know but you gotta give it to em when does it) With Melton in the mix, we are in a pretty good situation considering our scheme. Would love if Barr fell to us to start this rebuild the right way!

 

[CF74]

Injuries to who? Spencer? This excuse gets old.

Offense: Waters, Romo, Harris, Dunbar
Defense: Everybody except Carr

Did u even follow the team?

 

[jterrell]

needs list imho

1. WDE/Pass Rusher: Fans are generally easily fooled. This applies to anyone who thinks Selvie a number 1 pass rusher on an NFL team. The attention and blocking Ware drew will now swing to Selvie.
2. Interior OL: No depth across the interior. Either an OC who could start with Frederick moving to guard or talented enough Guard to allow Bern to play OC should Frederick suffer injury. I don't believe Leary is near retirement or Bern is a bad OG but you don't play a season with 3 interior guys.
3. Nickel Pass Rusher: 3rd down get after it pure pass rusher. Can be a 3T or a WDE.
4. Safety: Love our safety depth, unfortunately we really don't have NFL calibers starters.
5. LB: Carter has fallen apart in this 4-3 scheme and we must be better providing pass coverage in the middle of the field. A SLB who could double as a nickel pass rusher would be pretty ideal.

Unfortunately last year was a terrible draft year but much stronger for our top 3 needs. Interior OL and DL were absolutely stacked last year.
This year WR, RB and CB look very strong. umm, yay?? not.

 

[burmafrd]

needs list imho

1. WDE/Pass Rusher: Fans are generally easily fooled. This applies to anyone who thinks Selvie a number 1 pass rusher on an NFL team. The attention and blocking Ware drew will now swing to Selvie.
2. Interior OL: No depth across the interior. Either an OC who could start with Frederick moving to guard or talented enough Guard to allow Bern to play OC should Frederick suffer injury. I don't believe Leary is near retirement or Bern is a bad OG but you don't play a season with 3 interior guys.
3. Nickel Pass Rusher: 3rd down get after it pure pass rusher. Can be a 3T or a WDE.
4. Safety: Love our safety depth, unfortunately we really don't have NFL calibers starters.
5. LB: Carter has fallen apart in this 4-3 scheme and we must be better providing pass coverage in the middle of the field. A SLB who could double as a nickel pass rusher would be pretty ideal.

Unfortunately last year was a terrible draft year but much stronger for our top 3 needs. Interior OL and DL were absolutely stacked last year.
This year WR, RB and CB look very strong. umm, yay?? not.

the really missed opportunity in last years draft was not taking a DL in the 2nd.

 

[jterrell]

Bern was really good by the end of the season. He was finally healthy after having multiple injury issues in 2012 and another nagging type injury in the 2013 training camp.

The problem is that both Bern and Leary have injury histories and there are Zero backups at this point.

They tweaked the OL scheme to cover up Free's deficiencies. Those ratings were from PFF which has been shown to be near worthless.

I'm going to go out on a limb an guess that you probably have not spent much time reviewing footage of Parnell and Weems.

Free was very good last year and it wasn't about PFF numbers but ALL advanced stats that showed we were excellent running off right tackle and got solid pass protection from right tackle through 12 weeks.
Free did falter the last month fairly badly which leads one to question if his body can handle a 16 game season at this point. --Free had surgery after the season.
Free was better than Tyron for the first half a season but no where near as good the second.

That scheme stuff is wayyy overblown. Dallas has done that every year until moving Smith over as a 21 year old kid. Once he grasped everything they went back to it.

Parnell and Weems are solid back up OTs. OT is a good get if it is a value pick but that's about it. It isn't a "need" on par with any of 6 or 7 other positions.
Tyron is the most coveted LT in football due to age and upside. Free is a solid starting RT.
Parnell and Weems are legit back ups with some experience.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think Randle is a bust unfortunately.

Based on?

 

[jterrell]

the really missed opportunity in last years draft was not taking a DL in the 2nd.

i think everyone agrees it looks that way but it is very early. something ridiculous like 10 of those guys went off board before Dallas made that pick.
you pretty much just have to overpay for DL.
so hard to find good ones.
crazy thing is dallas has had as much luck as anyone the past decade finding late round DL.

really hurts when you let 4 starters go in one season tho... who can keep up with that rate of attrition?

 

[Lonestar94]

Top "needs" on the roster
1. Backup OG, future starter.

 

[HappyOnions]

I would honestly say that any position other than TE or CB could be seen as a area of need.

 

[BigStar]

Based on?

His very limited opportunity

 

[BigStar]

Offense: Waters, Romo, Harris, Dunbar
Defense: Everybody except Carr

Did u even follow the team?

When they have to lay it out, it looks dang weak. We all know it was just Lee; is the only injury that changed the dynamic...maybe this year we go injury free and SB this junt.