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Free was very good last year and it wasn't about PFF numbers but ALL advanced stats that showed we were excellent running off right tackle and got solid pass protection from right tackle through 12 weeks.
Free did falter the last month fairly badly which leads one to question if his body can handle a 16 game season at this point. --Free had surgery after the season.
Free was better than Tyron for the first half a season but no where near as good the second.

That scheme stuff is wayyy overblown. Dallas has done that every year until moving Smith over as a 21 year old kid. Once he grasped everything they went back to it.

Parnell and Weems are solid back up OTs. OT is a good get if it is a value pick but that's about it. It isn't a "need" on par with any of 6 or 7 other positions.
Tyron is the most coveted LT in football due to age and upside. Free is a solid starting RT.
Parnell and Weems are legit back ups with some experience.

People believe what they want to believe. If you want to believe that Free was better than Tyron based on something (stats) other than watching hours of All-22 film, then it's your choice. The stats are obviously going to be in Free's favor when they altered the scheme to make his job easier at the expense of making the other guys jobs more difficult.

The Cowboys are only in the 2nd year of this OL scheme. To say they're done "that" every year is obviously false.

I don't know why you're referencing OT need. I had it low on the list because they have a legit backup in Parnell and developmental backup in Weems. It's Guard where they have a huge need.
 

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:D When they have to lay it out, it looks dang weak. We all know it was just Lee; is the only injury that changed the dynamic...maybe this year we go injury free and SB this junt.

I think you're discounting what the expected line was suppose to look like. Yes, we had injuries in camp, but these were players expected to start. You can't tell me a that healthy Ratliff, Spencer, and Crawford wouldn't have changed the dynamic of the line. Then you have Clay, Lee, Ware, Hatch, and the others banged up during the season too. With respect to the lack of depth, I do believe injuries (for the second year in a row) were detrimental.
 

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I think you're discounting what the expected line was suppose to look like. Yes, we had injuries in camp, but these were players expected to start. You can't tell me a that healthy Ratliff, Spencer, and Crawford wouldn't have changed the dynamic of the line. Then you have Clay, Lee, Ware, Hatch, and the others banged up during the season too. With respect to the lack of depth, I do believe injuries (for the second year in a row) were detrimental.

Anyone relying on Rat last season shouldn't have. His attititude should've warned us of his cont. but we all know we held out for some reason? Spencer (franchised 2nd year in a row?) Ware (accepted) and Hatcher (who has been a off an on starter throughout his career) Not the best foresight by management by any means.
 

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Anyone relying on Rat last season shouldn't have. His attititude should've warned us of his cont. but we all know we held out for some reason? Spencer (franchised 2nd year in a row?) Ware (accepted) and Hatcher (who has been a off an on starter throughout his career) Not the best foresight by management by any means.

Not saying it was, and neither was the lack of depth behind them. Just pointing out that if not for injuries, things could have been different.
 

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Not saying it was, and neither was the lack of depth behind them. Just pointing out that if not for injuries, things could have been different.

Yes, Spence got injured bf game 1...that was it. Ware was available all season.Hatch too. Rat was a joke for any fan to take serious ( i know, management did too) 2 injuries = season over.
 

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People believe what they want to believe. If you want to believe that Free was better than Tyron based on something (stats) other than watching hours of All-22 film, then it's your choice. The stats are obviously going to be in Free's favor when they altered the scheme to make his job easier at the expense of making the other guys jobs more difficult.

The Cowboys are only in the 2nd year of this OL scheme. To say they're done "that" every year is obviously false.

I don't know why you're referencing OT need. I had it low on the list because they have a legit backup in Parnell and developmental backup in Weems. It's Guard where they have a huge need.

The OT ranking comment is an agreement with you.

The take on Free is a disagreement.
The thought we didn't help RT for basically every year since 1992 is also a disagreement.
We absolutely did. Largely because we've been blessed with outstanding LTs.

Tyron was BAD early last year. BAD, BAD, BAD. He improved markedly but his start wasn't good.
Has nothing to do with PFF except where it does with REAL stats. Sacks, pressures allowed and penalties are very real things.

I am not going to defend PFF rankings because there is as much hocum there as accuracy.
But football outsiders and other sites rely on more "hard" data.

All22 is awesome but fans are still goofy fans. They have agendas and bias.
I saw all the games live. I don;t need replays to know the OL was pretty darn good overall and really great at times.
Early in the year Free was really good. Nothing on all22 will disagree with that.
 

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Yes, Spence got injured bf game 1...that was it. Ware was available all season.Hatch too. Rat was a joke for any fan to take serious ( i know, management did too) 2 injuries = season over.

Spence & Crawford were out. Rat was a joke, but he's playing now and Rod was counting on him. As mentioned Clay only played 10 games, Lee went out, Ware was banged up, others... Definitely not the only reason for the pitiful performance (1st year of a new scheme without the right players might have something to do with it), but the injuries sure didn't help.
 

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Spence & Crawford were out. Rat was a joke, but he's playing now and Rod was counting on him. As mentioned Clay only played 10 games, Lee went out, Ware was banged up, others... Definitely not the only reason for the pitiful performance (1st year of a new scheme without the right players might have something to do with it), but the injuries sure didn't help.

But this is the recurring excuse? We weren't hit THAT bad. Get real about this. Our team relies on O (almost excl.) We act like the D was the reason we failed? Ok (convenient) I can make a lot of money with people believing this sham..
 

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But this is the recurring excuse? We weren't hit THAT bad. Get real about this. Our team relies on O (almost excl.) We act like the D was the reason we failed?

Well, if the D is ranked 31 or 32 out of 32 teams, one might tend to believe that.

Sure, the offense is not off the hook. But like Staubach said after the season, that team lost 3 games where they scored 30 or more points and one game where they scored 48 and still lost. That is almost impossible to do.
 

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Well, if the D is ranked 31 or 32 out of 32 teams, one might tend to believe that.

Sure, the offense is not off the hook. But like Staubach said after the season, that team lost 3 games where they scored 30 or more points and one game where they scored 48 and still lost. That is almost impossible to do.

The same games they went 3 and out in multiple drives? You have a weak D but decide to pass 3 times out of the gate? WHY didn't this work, so frustrating ;) Respect to Staubach, but the league has changed a bit. Teams that score 30+ lose all the time. What is this , Grandpa hour? New way of the league, catch up dog. Forbid variables be in place? simple folk.
 
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I'm going to need evidence of Tyron being bad, because I simply did not see it.
 

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But this is the recurring excuse? We weren't hit THAT bad. Get real about this. Our team relies on O (almost excl.) We act like the D was the reason we failed? Ok (convenient) I can make a lot of money with people believing this sham..

That take really is absurd.

Dallas lost basically it's entire planned DL. The depth guys were lost before the season even started then the planned starters and older vets were lost.

No team lost as many of its top 8 DL as Dallas. That's just reality. And reality is that is something you don't just brush off.

The offense was a top 10 unit. Arguably top 5. But it wasn't some over the top number 1 with a bullet unit that could overcome being historically bad on defense.
We'd had to have have Peyton and Calvin Johnson added to overcome that atrocious defense.

We got middling to poor pressure and covered horrendously. It was an epic collapse on defense.

In the 4-3 cover 2 you have to get pressure from that front 4.
The coverage behind it is predicated on not covering long.

The easiest way to beat a cover 2 is throw to the middle of it then over top of it.
And teams did that all year to us. A couple passes underneath then hit us with a monster play over the top.
 

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That take really is absurd.

Dallas lost basically it's entire planned DL. The depth guys were lost before the season even started then the planned starters and older vets were lost.

No team lost as many of its top 8 DL as Dallas. That's just reality. And reality is that is something you don't just brush off.

The offense was a top 10 unit. Arguably top 5. But it wasn't some over the top number 1 with a bullet unit that could overcome being historically bad on defense.
We'd had to have have Peyton and Calvin Johnson added to overcome that atrocious defense.

We got middling to poor pressure and covered horrendously. It was an epic collapse on defense.

In the 4-3 cover 2 you have to get pressure from that front 4.
The coverage behind it is predicated on not covering long.

The easiest way to beat a cover 2 is throw to the middle of it then over top of it.
And teams did that all year to us. A couple passes underneath then hit us with a monster play over the top.

Accept the games they could? KC DET GB, keep acting like we didn't deserve those wins and make the playoffs. We have crap coaching so we can't expect that @ this point, though other teams make the playoffs every year with those SAME breaks. The lack of foresight on the part of the GM, etc. makes it "acceptable" for some reason? I PLANNED that all my 30 + would show up. Not Fair;)
 

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Needs:

1. Backup OG, future starter. The only thing they have on the roster at backup OG is a guy that has not played since 2010.

2. Weak Side DE. They don't really have anybody that fits that mold unless Martez Wilson suddenly shows up. Most of their DEs are best at SDE like Crawford, Selvie and Mincey.

3. 3rd DT. I think McClain will be a decent 1-tech and Melton should be good at the 3 but Hayden is probably the 3rd DT which is not a good sign.

4. 4th DT. Even if they find a 3rd DT, that’s going to be either a 1 or a 3 leaving the other side in need.

5. Safety. This could be moved up in the list but I’m going to put it here. I’m convinced that Wilcox has the talent but I don’t know if he will be completely ready in 2014. He only played defense for 1 year in college. Wilcox was terrific in 1-on-1 drills against WRs at the Senior Bowl and better than seveal CBs. Church is good enough. The Cowboys seem convinced that Matt Johnson can play in the NFL if he could stay healthy. Heath as really good size and athleticism. It was unfortunate that he was put in a really bad position in 2013. He’s a good end of the roster type player to have, IMO. I think he could actually be a decent NFL player if you put him on a quality defensive team when he’s in about his 3rd year. The fact that he was in the farthest from that situation in 2013 was unfortunate. Even Jakar Hamilton has some upside.

After the top 5, I’m not really certain:

LB: Looks good to me if they can keep Lee healthy. I recently reviewed Holloman in the final game at MLB and he was very impressive, especially considering that as a college Safety/OLB that he had never played or practiced at MLB until late in the 2013 season. At worse case, I see Carter moving to SLB which and being off the field in the nickel. Durant was better than the credit he received. He was looked good filling in for Lee at MLB before being injured. Wilber is an interesting player at SLB and has almost identical size and measureables to Seattle’s SLB. They liked Lawrence enough to keep him over a guy that they had ranked as a mid round draft pick (McGee). They signed 3 young practice squad type to futures contracts; although, I think one of them would be a candidate to move to DE.

WR: I might be a bigger fan of T. Williams than some, but I think he was a solid #2 as a rookie and will only get better. Beasley was really good in his role as the slot WR. Harris is a solid 4th or 5th WR. They need a developmental big WR for the outside where they don’t really have a true backup.

TE: They don’t really have a blocking TE and oddly had Hanna doing most of the blocking TE duties in 2013. Escobar is very similar to Witten, IMO. Hanna is very fast but they never really gave him a chance to run routes that would take advantage of his speed.

FB: Clutts seemed OK. I would be a bonus to get a guy like Millard that has some TE like abilty but is also a good blocking FB.

RB: Health is the big issue. Murray is very good when healthy, but they need to plan for the possibility that the might be more expensive than they want to pay for an oft injured player. Dunbar is a boom/bust type. He looked spectacular in a few plays, but had a couple of fumbles and then got injured. Randel is an unknown at this point. Some fans already don’t like him, but we really didn’t see enough to make a determination either way.

QB: If Romo is healthy the next couple of years, then they need to try to win with him. If Romo is not healthy, then they might as well just tank a season and get a top 10 pick where the majority of NFL QBs are drafted.

OT: Most people would move this up the list, but I’m a big fan of Parnell. I believe that he would be better than Free after just a few starts but they have to be willing to live with a few mistakes in those first few games. I believe that he compares favorablty physically to many of the OTs in the draft. Weems appears to have good physical upside but looked a little lost at the beginning of the 2013 preseason. Reports are that he progressed in practice during the season. He is big, quick and strong. They liked Weems enough to carry him on the roster all season.

CB: I think the top 3 will be fine in 2014 but they need competition for the 4th and 5th spots. They really need to add a developmental guy with size because Webb is 5-10 and Moore is 5-9. You’re not going to find a CB with size unless you pay a premium or develop one.

I agree on the top 4, but not the order.

DE and DT are definitely bigger needs. We don't have legit starters at those spots. I think the OG's are at least average. So bump OG down to third and I think we are on the same page. Safety and LB are about the same as far as need goes...we have some bodies at S that might be able to play in Wilcox and Johnson, although I can't count on Johnson until he shows he isn't complete glass. Our LB's outside of Lee all have questions...and Lee has the health concerns. Holloman is one nice option, but I think we absolutely need 1-2 starting caliber LB's. Maybe one inside and one outside.
Almost every other spot outside of TE has at least mild need.
 

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I agree on the top 4, but not the order.

DE and DT are definitely bigger needs. We don't have legit starters at those spots. I think the OG's are at least average. So bump OG down to third and I think we are on the same page. Safety and LB are about the same as far as need goes...we have some bodies at S that might be able to play in Wilcox and Johnson, although I can't count on Johnson until he shows he isn't complete glass. Our LB's outside of Lee all have questions...and Lee has the health concerns. Holloman is one nice option, but I think we absolutely need 1-2 starting caliber LB's. Maybe one inside and one outside.
Almost every other spot outside of TE has at least mild need.

If the Season started tomorrow, the only backup Guard is Chris DeGeare. He has not played football since 2010.

Bern and Leary have both had injury issues since they've been here for 2 years.

Romo turns 34 next week and has had 2 back surgeries in the past year.

Kyle Orton and/or Weeden are the backups.

Bad DL play results in a loss. Bad OL play results in an injured QB.

I maintain that OG is a critical need unless they find a free agent to be a legit backup.
 

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If the Season started tomorrow, the only backup Guard is Chris DeGeare. He has not played football since 2010.

Bern and Leary have both had injury isswues since they've been here for 2 years.

Romo turns 34 next week and has had 2 back surgeries in the past year.
Kyle Orton and/or Weeden are the backups.

Bad DL play results in a loss. Bad OL play results in an injured QB.

I maintain that OG is a critical need unless they find a free agent to be a legit backup.

Critical need, but are you taking a G in the first? Second? I am guessing they don't address OL till the third at the earliest.

You seem to like Parnell and Weems. In a pinch, Free goes to Guard and Parnell to tackle. You have said many times you think Parnell would be better than Free at T after a breaking in period. The fact is we have at least average starters at OG. We can pick up a cheap vet if needed and can consider Waters again if he gets surgery in time to be ready for games. I think guys like Billy Turner, Joel Bitonio or Trai Turner are options at guard and they will certainly come after the first two rounds. There are some legit centers that will be available in the 6th and 7th that might be able to come in and contribute as G/C as well...

DT and DE are critical because in reality we don't have legit starters at two of the spots and one of the "legit" ones is coming off a knee and a down year before the knee injury.
 

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The OT ranking comment is an agreement with you.

The take on Free is a disagreement.
The thought we didn't help RT for basically every year since 1992 is also a disagreement.
We absolutely did. Largely because we've been blessed with outstanding LTs.

Tyron was BAD early last year. BAD, BAD, BAD. He improved markedly but his start wasn't good.
Has nothing to do with PFF except where it does with REAL stats. Sacks, pressures allowed and penalties are very real things.

I am not going to defend PFF rankings because there is as much hocum there as accuracy.
But football outsiders and other sites rely on more "hard" data.

All22 is awesome but fans are still goofy fans. They have agendas and bias.
I saw all the games live. I don;t need replays to know the OL was pretty darn good overall and really great at times.
Early in the year Free was really good. Nothing on all22 will disagree with that.

That's convenient...facts get in the way kind've thing. It wasn't the joke @ RT that they had to accomodate, it was our all pro LT? Really? Rings course in this forum White washing this junt ;)
 
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QB is creeping higher and higher on my priorities list. I can feel it in my bones! I feel very much like Jerry Jones with a particular fan pleasing top flight blue chip QB in my crosshairs. If there is any doubt around Romo's readiness, I pull the trigger faster than you can say ohhh Johnny.
 
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