TO's contract demands

[Ashwynn]

How bout we offer him $8.00 hourly. Can work 40+ hours weekly. We will evalutate performence every 6 months and issue a .10-.50 cent raise semi annually if performance merits reward.

 

[SouthernStar]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

And if this tidbit is correct (apologies in advance, if that is the case), please provide me with some links to at least halfway credible sources.

I posted all this info (with links) on another site (which is down at the moment). I'll go back and retrieve it when I can.

 

[JonCJG]

No just bring back Randall Williams, the next T.O. He runs under 4.2 in the 40 and is 6'3 230 lbs. Trade for him back.

 

[Nors]

I think he was referencing the CBA - Salary cap can't increase more than 30%.

Not sure his inference

 

[BigDFan5]

30% rule applied for the final year of the cba with a salary cap, when they extended the CBA the 30% rule went away

 

[SkinsandTerps]

30% rule applied for the final year of the cba with a salary cap, when they extended the CBA the 30% rule went away

And that was my understanding of it as well.

 

[Redball Express]

Subtract the first two years from the Philly deal and then look at that remaining amount spread over like 3 years or whatever the length was.

I'm sure TO feels that's the minimum he'll accept. He will not take less than what he was scheduled to recieve from Philly had he stayed.

That's for starters.

Then figure the bonus based on what the going yearly average is for a top 3 WR's in the NFL and multiply that by two years and you'll have his bonus.

So if the average yearly contract for those 3 players is $6 million per year, then multiply that times two years and that will be his upfront guaranteed money..like $12 mil..?

Plus throw in a few million on the bonus just to make it look like more is being done to get it done..? So maybe it's $15 mil for the signing bonus..?

Just using that as examples.

After the 2 second year, nothing is guaranteed, but his base salary plus any performance incentives he can make allow him to remain among the highest paid at his position as long as he reaches incentives those type of players would normally make..

..1200 yds in receptions, 60+ catches, Pro Bowl, SB's played in, games started in a season, etc. as incentives..whatever.

After that, if they want it, if incentives are met, one that voids the last year or two off his deal if he wants.

That would be my feeling about what he would want.

Unsaid, that also means he's the #1 WR because of those contract numbers and that he be allowed to be given support from the owner and coaches to reach those incentives and the offense is designed to feature him.

That's what I'd expect from this.

Now somebody needs to fill in the numbers I've glossed over, as I don't know his previous contract in detail, but I believe it was 5 years for $49 mil..?

Whatever.

I think that will get it done.

But can we afford all that..? And what protections will we also build into any deal that protects the team from him pulling problems on the field, in the clubhouse and off the field..?

Can TO possibly be expected to adhere to BP's policy of not talking to the media when told not to..?

If not, this is a pipe dream for all concerned and it's better off pulling the plug on this before it gets anymore momentum.

Parcellswaterboy

 

[5Stars]

Subtract the first two years from the Philly deal and then look at that remaining amount spread over like 3 years or whatever the length was.

I'm sure TO feels that's the minimum he'll accept. He will not take less than what he was scheduled to recieve from Philly had he stayed.

That's for starters.

Then figure the bonus based on what the going yearly average is for a top 3 WR's in the NFL and multiply that by two years and you'll have his bonus.

So if the average yearly contract for those 3 players is $6 million per year, then multiply that times two years and that will be his upfront guaranteed money..like $12 mil..?

Plus throw in a few million on the bonus just to make it look like more is being done to get it done..? So maybe it's $15 mil for the signing bonus..?

Just using that as examples.

After the 2 second year, nothing is guaranteed, but his base salary plus any performance incentives he can make allow him to remain among the highest paid at his position as long as he reaches incentives those type of players would normally make..

..1200 yds in receptions, 60+ catches, Pro Bowl, SB's played in, games started in a season, etc. as incentives..whatever.

After that, if they want it, if incentives are met, one that voids the last year or two off his deal if he wants.

That would be my feeling about what he would want.

Unsaid, that also means he's the #1 WR because of those contract numbers and that he be allowed to be given support from the owner and coaches to reach those incentives and the offense is designed to feature him.

That's what I'd expect from this.

Now somebody needs to fill in the numbers I've glossed over, as I don't know his previous contract in detail, but I believe it was 5 years for $49 mil..?

Whatever.

I think that will get it done.

But can we afford all that..? And what protections will we also build into any deal that protects the team from him pulling problems on the field, in the clubhouse and off the field..?

Can TO possibly be expected to adhere to BP's policy of not talking to the media when told not to..?

If not, this is a pipe dream for all concerned and it's better off pulling the plug on this before it gets anymore momentum.

Parcellswaterboy

I will go on record...T.O. will not be a Dallas Cowboy...

 

[Nors]

Commanders | More about Randle El contract
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:41:35 -0800

ESPN.com's Michael Smith reports Washington Commanders WR Antwaan Randle El's contract with the Commanders is actually a seven-year, $31 million deal that is voidable after the sixth year. It also included $11.5 million in bonuses.


He's going to get $15M SB

I too - PASS on TO

 

[SouthernStar]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

And if this tidbit is correct (apologies in advance, if that is the case), please provide me with some links to at least halfway credible sources.

Here ya go!

as per:
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp


Question 1.7a
If a player earns a contract that is 5 years and pays him a total of $20 Million, he counts $4 million per year against the cap, right?

Answer: If it were only that simple.

Teams with heavy payloads learned quickly that the best way to combat the Salary Cap was to circumvent it. They did this by back loading contracts, pushing all of the big money to the end of the contract. For example, a 5-year, $20 million contract (not counting a signing bonus) signed in 2005 as described above would probably allocate the money in the following manner:

Year 1 (2005): $450,000 (min. cap given to players with 4+ years experience)
Year 2 (2006): $1 million
Year 3 (2007): $1.5 million
Year 4 (2008): $5 million
Year 5 (2009): $12 million

Note: Thankfully the extension of the CBA prevented a contract, like the one above, from violating the league's "30% Rule". The "30% Rule" governs veteran contracts that are entered into in a capped year and extend into the final year of the CBA. The rule states that these contracts cannot have an annual increase of more than 30% of the salary, excluding amounts treated as a signing bonus, provided for in the FINAL CAPPED YEAR. Had the CBA not been extended, then 2006 would have been the final capped year and this contract would not have been valid.

 

[FLcowboy]

T.O. really didn't have a long term deal in Philly. His money was up front, and that is what I'd expect the Cowboys to do. T.O. want money, so deferred payments aren't going to be of interest to him.

 

[TheSkaven]

I'd be shocked if he received a contract offer like that, Nors. Remember, he is a special case given what transpired last season. At best it will be a 3 year deal, perhaps with easily voidable years at the back end.

 

[BigDFan5]

Here ya go!

as per:
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp


Question 1.7a
If a player earns a contract that is 5 years and pays him a total of $20 Million, he counts $4 million per year against the cap, right?

Answer: If it were only that simple.

Teams with heavy payloads learned quickly that the best way to combat the Salary Cap was to circumvent it. They did this by back loading contracts, pushing all of the big money to the end of the contract. For example, a 5-year, $20 million contract (not counting a signing bonus) signed in 2005 as described above would probably allocate the money in the following manner:

Year 1 (2005): $450,000 (min. cap given to players with 4+ years experience)
Year 2 (2006): $1 million
Year 3 (2007): $1.5 million
Year 4 (2008): $5 million
Year 5 (2009): $12 million

Note: Thankfully the extension of the CBA prevented a contract, like the one above, from violating the league's "30% Rule". The "30% Rule" governs veteran contracts that are entered into in a capped year and extend into the final year of the CBA. The rule states that these contracts cannot have an annual increase of more than 30% of the salary, excluding amounts treated as a signing bonus, provided for in the FINAL CAPPED YEAR. Had the CBA not been extended, then 2006 would have been the final capped year and this contract would not have been valid.

Hey SS you just proved yourself wrong, read it close.

It shows an example of a contract increasing way beyond 30% over a year period and then says because of the CBA extension that the contract would not violate the rule because the 30% rule is for "FINAL CAPPED YEAR" It even has it in all caps

 

[big dog cowboy]

If he gets a 3 year deal I'll be surprised. And it won't be for near as much as you think.

 

[Bluefin]

TO wanted out of Philly because he knew this would be his final chance to land the big signing bonus he so craves.

Any team that offers more than a one year deal deserves what they end up with.

 

[sago1]

If Jones is stupid enough to sign TO, then he is stupid enough to give him huge bucks over long period of time.

Some people never learn. Why was TO so upset in Philly? Eagles gave him big signing bonus so he was happy first year. In 2nd year he wasn't happy, cause he didn't feel he getting paid enough--he was making $2.5M for 05 and would receive another $5M signing bonus in March 06. Didn't matter, he wasn't getting paid enough in 05; in his mind his initial signing bonus was for first year only, when 2nd year rolls around, he wants near same amount. You sign him to 5 year deal with same terms you offering and he's going to go off in 07 leaving us with huge cap hit problem in 07 & inability to keep 1-2 of our good players. And if we don't win SB this year, what do you think will happen. I can believe a true Cowboy fan would really risk the future of our young team just to sign a trouble maker. When he acts up and Jones/Parcells can't handle him, we will be even worse of a laughing stock then Reid & the Eagles were. Everybody will say we should have known better and how stupid could you be and that we deserved what happen.

I wonder what you will be saying to yourself when that happens and what responsibility Cowboy fans have in encouraging the owner to do something stupid. Hope Jones prepared for the consequences should TO blowup. BTW: There's another factor you haven't mentioned. Make no mistake if TO becomes a problem and goes after Bledsoe (unlike with McNabb) TO will claim race is part of the problem. And when he does that, what kind of problems will that cause in the lockerroom as the team takes sides?

 

[Nors]

Ask Key what happens when Bledsoe get's after a WR.

Bledsoe would flat out shut TO up if it ever came to that.
Luckily BP is here to save us from a JJ mistake of 5-10 years ago move.

TO is going to command HUGE bucks.
Drew Brees news just broke - he wants $10M a YEAR.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Oh no. Nors is once again in agenda mode.

 

[SouthernStar]

Hey SS you just proved yourself wrong, read it close.

It shows an example of a contract increasing way beyond 30% over a year period and then says because of the CBA extension that the contract would not violate the rule because the 30% rule is for "FINAL CAPPED YEAR" It even has it in all caps

Yep...I read it wrong. My bad!

 

[DallasEast]

Ask Key what happens when Bledsoe get's after a WR.

Bledsoe would flat out shut TO up if it ever came to that.

There is absolutely nothing in Owen's past personal or professional behavior to suggest that no one BUT Owens can 'control' Owens. Nothing at all.

For goodness sake, the man cried on national television that he couldn't feed his family on a $43 million dollar contract. Do you believe that Bledsoe can control a nut like that?

If Owens joins this team, the only thing that anyone associated with this franchise can hope for is that he implodes later rather than sooner.