Touch back rule

[birdwells1]

What's your suggestion? Just put Carr down at the one? I kind of feel like the Raiders should have gotten the ball at the 25.

I've been saying for years that this rule is too punitive, anywhere else on the field the defense has to establish possession to be credited with a turnover with the exception being this rule. I think that if the offense fumbles through the endzone, the offense should get the ball at the 20 yard line and whatever down it is it would be that down and goal to go.

 

[mmohican29]

Because the endzones are far more important than any other position on the field. If you fumble it out the back of your opponents endzone it's a safety, when it's out your endzone you lose the ball. Thats because when ball is in the endzone the rules change due to the importance of the those two spots to the game. Anywhere else the offense gets the benefit (aka: They don't lose the ball if it goes out of bounds), in the endzones the benefit is given to the defense.

As it should. I am on the same page with you entirely.

There is nothing wrong with the rule as written. Period. If this happened to us and we lost I'd feel the exact same way. A bit jilted but no excuses.

 

[Tommy]

As it should. I am on the same page with you entirely.

There is nothing wrong with the rule as written. Period. If this happened to us and we lost I'd feel the exact same way. A bit jilted but no excuses.

I say the NFL should just ignore all the media created fake drama and all the sheep that fall for it.

Then, after a few days, everyone will forget about it and it will return to being a non issue like it has for the last 50 years.

 

[mmohican29]

Um...none? Why would a RB purposefully fumble if it didn't benefit them?

The rule should be the same no matter where you are on the field. If it's a forward fumble, it goes back to the spot of the fumble (No yardage gained. No "reward."). If it's backwards, it is where it went out of bounds. No reason to complicate it.

It's silly to punish a team that went all the way near the goal line more than a team that is only on their own 30 yard line. It's silly to reward a defense that doesn't recover a loose ball.

Wah. Wrong.

 

[Kevinicus]

Wah. Wrong.

Care to elaborate?

 

[mmohican29]

I would rather see it go the other way. A fumbled ball over the sideline results in a loss of possession anywhere on the field. Don't want to turn the ball over? Don't fumble the football

Interesting, but too extreme. The rule is fine for sideline plays. And it's fine for Endzone situations as well.

Nothing to see here folks. It's a good rule that needs no tinkering.

 

[mmohican29]

Wah. Wrong.

Not really?

It's clear that the Endzones are the most valuable real estate on the football field. Let's call this the "Bank"

The ball is the most valuable possession in football. It is "Gold".

If you don't possess the Gold when you want to deposit it in the bank- the banker will not credit your account. He will send you to the back of the line.

"You Sir- have wasted our time and cannot account for the funds you'd like to deposit. Please come back with the money you say "you have earned" and we will do business then.

Next please.

The more I think about it... this is probably my favorite NFL rule in retrospect. It's the most American thing in the sport.

 

[cowboy_ron]

So funny how the majority of Raiders fans think the touch back rule is stupid and should be spotted at the point it was fumbled and given back to the team that fumbled. Are you fricken kidding me???

We would have to if it would have been us in that position.........I had a flashback of Dez' finger costing us a game.

 

[mmohican29]

I've been saying for years that this rule is too punitive, anywhere else on the field the defense has to establish possession to be credited with a turnover with the exception being this rule. I think that if the offense fumbles through the endzone, the offense should get the ball at the 20 yard line and whatever down it is it would be that down and goal to go.

Nope. Good rule.

"Please have ball when attempting to score TD. No credit will be given here for perceptively earned points."

- The Mgmt.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Um...none? Why would a RB purposefully fumble if it didn't benefit them?

The rule should be the same no matter where you are on the field. If it's a forward fumble, it goes back to the spot of the fumble (No yardage gained. No "reward."). If it's backwards, it is where it went out of bounds. No reason to complicate it.

It's silly to punish a team that went all the way near the goal line more than a team that is only on their own 30 yard line. It's silly to reward a defense that doesn't recover a loose ball.

The end zone is not the field of play. On kickoffs to the end zone the clock does not start until the returner enters the field of play. You are making a false equivalence between the field and the end zone.

 

[Nightman]

I've been saying for years that this rule is too punitive, anywhere else on the field the defense has to establish possession to be credited with a turnover with the exception being this rule. I think that if the offense fumbles through the endzone, the offense should get the ball at the 20 yard line and whatever down it is it would be that down and goal to go.

When the Offense fumbles backward thru the EndZone it is a Safety.......they lose 2 points and the ball

It is only fair to lose the ball when you "throw" it at the Endzone and you don't recover it

Best part is Carr already had the 1st down...... it was completely unnecessary and careless

 

[JoeKing]

I do not like the rule but it is the rule. Why is a fumble out of bounds between endzones handled differently than the endzone?

Because fumbling through the endzone is a touchback and fumbling out of bounds isn't. Learn the rules, it's always been that way. Same thing happens if a punter fumbles in the endzone and it goes out of bounds.

 

[pacy]

I feel for Carr who wanted to win and that was why he extended toward the goal line, and do not fault him for doing so. But it was not the ideal play with regard to time and 1st down yardage attained. He gambled and lost. Period.

He already had a first down anyway. Just step out of bounds. New fresh of downs.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Touchback rule aside, we probably should have lost. Or at least we easily could have. We played a pretty poor game and barely won despite the fact that Oakland seemed to be self destructing. A good team would have blown them out by halftime. A few weeks ago we had a shot at a top draft pick. Now we seem to be going for broke and trying to win a Super Bowl. That team that struggled against a self destructing Oakland team yesterday doesn't look like a very good team. You can still be critical during a win. We need to get better if we want to have any shot of winning a Super Bowl if we do luck ourselves into the playoffs.

 

[reddyuta]

no need for a rule change, otherwise you will basically be giving a team a do over for fumbling the ball.

 

[Nightman]

All the rules don't have to be fair but I don't see any other outcome

If you don't like it then don't fumble it thru the endzone

 

[mmohican29]

Terry Glenn fumbled out of the endzone for Touchback in the Romo-Choke game vs Seattle.

Where were all the crybabies then?

I remember what I felt like. It sucked and it was lamented. But the rule hardly was to blame.

You have to value the football at all times ESPECIALLY in areas where points are officially awarded.

 

[links18]

I do not like the rule but it is the rule. Why is a fumble out of bounds between endzones handled differently than the endzone?

Because its the endzone. Lots of things are handled differently when it occurs in the endzone: Tackles are safeties, etc.

 

[Kevinicus]

The end zone is not the field of play. On kickoffs to the end zone the clock does not start until the returner enters the field of play. You are making a false equivalence between the field and the end zone.

I am not. The fumble occurs in the field of play. You are overcomplicating it by going with special rules.

Forward fumble = no advance.
Backward fumble = lost yardage.

It is dumb to make a special case that is counter to reason. Let's make special punishment because you got so close to scoring? That's non-sensical.

There is no special case on the other end zone. The lost yardage is akin to being tackled in the end zone.

 

[birdwells1]

Because fumbling through the endzone is a touchback and fumbling out of bounds isn't. Learn the rules, it's always been that way. Same thing happens if a punter fumbles in the endzone and it goes out of bounds.

That wouldn't have been called if Marcus Peters was carrying the ball. Lol.