Trade Bait

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Posters have an inflated sense of value for Cowboys. Collins for whatever reason has little track record on the field last 1 and 1/2 yrs.

Gallup coming off a lower body issue which a talented receiver needs to ply his craft . Sure he will recover but what trade value does Gallup have today.

Then it’s a matter of contracts and salary caps among teams . Not as easy as flipping baseball cards .

its like this a lot...we are willing to pay a lot for somebody else's trash...ala people suggesting to trade a 1st, some better ones, a 3rd for gilmore....when he went for a 6th. they also think our trash is somebody else's treasure....such as people saying, we should trade Jaylon for a 1st or just settle and take a 2nd.

where does Gallup rank among todays WRs.....will anyone be willing to pay the dollars and the pick.....

and to your point, Collins has more value to us, than a pick next year as we are now paper thin at tackle with a huge drop off from steele.....lightning doesn't hit same place twice...we hit on steele. we were all nervous....but we can't tempt fate twice...we can't bank onf smith and collins being available all year and into the playoffs

 

[RonWashington]

its like this a lot...we are willing to pay a lot for somebody else's trash...ala people suggesting to trade a 1st, some better ones, a 3rd for gilmore....when he went for a 6th. they also think our trash is somebody else's treasure....such as people saying, we should trade Jaylon for a 1st or just settle and take a 2nd.

where does Gallup rank among todays WRs.....will anyone be willing to pay the dollars and the pick.....

and to your point, Collins has more value to us, than a pick next year as we are now paper thin at tackle with a huge drop off from steele.....lightning doesn't hit same place twice...we hit on steele. we were all nervous....but we can't tempt fate twice...we can't bank onf smith and collins being available all year and into the playoffs

I know he’s been hurt since training camp but at some point in 2021 want to see what Will McClay got for drafting Josh Ball. Like you said tackle depth is thin but if he can be at least depth at tackle it’s icing on a really nice draft class.

 

[jnday]

Sell high, buy low. Collins’ price is maybe the highest it will be right now. There are teams desperate for starting OT talent right now.

The team is at a crossroad with the starting OT position. Steele’s arrow is pointing up, Collins down. Who starts? Do you reward Collins for his abhorrent behavior these past two years and gift him the starting position? Or do you reward Steele for his hard work and improvement? Do you stop the progress of Steele for a lying drug addict who quit on the team last year and who last played well in 2019?

What is the message you want to send to your team? What is the culture of the team? These questions are much more important to the team than depth right now. We are talking about the heart and soul of a team.

Steele or Collins? Which one starts. This question must be answered soon and not swept under the carpet with some BS explanation.

Reward Steele or allow Collins to continue his BS shenanigans? The team is watching.

Collins quit on the team, he quit on his teammates, he quit on his friends, he quit on the fans. He put drugs above football. You want to reward that? You want to keep that? You want more of that from Collins? You want similar behavior from other stars down the line?

When is enough enough?

Gallup is a different story. He is a good player who does all the right things and just got injured. He is the type of player you want to keep. So is Wilson. Might not be able to keep both after this year. Tough decision.

Stealers got rid of Antonio Brown. Similar situation with Collins.

Collins isn’t close to being as crazy as António Brown. You keep saying he quit last year, but his hip injuries and being out of shape was his issues. When did he quit?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I know he’s been hurt since training camp but at some point in 2021 want to see what Will McClay got for drafting Josh Ball. Like you said tackle depth is thin but if he can be at least depth at tackle it’s icing on a really nice draft class.

The time to find out is not now. But next year training camp and pre season.

 

[plasticman]

Why in the world would we want to trade premium starting players to other teams so they can use them to get better.?

There is no market. For what? A sixth round future practice squad body? How is that going to help us this year, a year in which the team should be focused exclusively on winning their next game?

We are talking about the Cowboys, remember? To put it mildly, stuff happens. Didn't we just prove that it's really nice to have quality backups? Injuries don't just stop happening at any particular point. We could lose one of our elite WR's. How will it make us feel if something like that happens the day after we trade Gallup?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Collins isn’t close to being as crazy as António Brown. You keep saying he quit last year, but his hip injuries and being out of shape was his issues. When did he quit?

The team questioned his need for surgery. The team did not think he needed surgery. Collins decided for the surgery. I think it was his way out for the year with all that was going on in 2020. I call it a business decision. Just a hunch on my part reading the tea leaves. He could have at least tried to play. He didn't even try.

 

[Xavier187]

Wh not offer Collins and a pick or two for Jarrett and Mayfield of the Falcons?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I consider numerous factors when I think about. Including future cap room and needs and players who are likely player elsewhere next year anyway. And in this case, i understand where both sides are coming from.

That pesky ol' cap again.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why in the world would we want to trade premium starting players to other teams so they can use them to get better.?

There is no market. For what? A sixth round future practice squad body? How is that going to help us this year, a year in which the team should be focused exclusively on winning their next game?

We are talking about the Cowboys, remember? To put it mildly, stuff happens. Didn't we just prove that it's really nice to have quality backups? Injuries don't just stop happening at any particular point. We could lose one of our elite WR's. How will it make us feel if something like that happens the day after we trade Gallup?

If all Dallas could get is a 6th rd picks then of course it would not be a good move since the Dallas will likely get more than that in a compensation pick. My whole deal is I would rather keep Gallup but if someone is willing to give up a #1 pick for him then yes I would, in large part because with our current cap situation those draft picks become more important than ever because rookie contracts are less expensive than vet contracts. So my view we keep Gallup or get a top pick for him either way it is a win.

 

[DanA]

Why in the world would we want to trade premium starting players to other teams so they can use them to get better.?

There is no market. For what? A sixth round future practice squad body? How is that going to help us this year, a year in which the team should be focused exclusively on winning their next game?

We are talking about the Cowboys, remember? To put it mildly, stuff happens. Didn't we just prove that it's really nice to have quality backups? Injuries don't just stop happening at any particular point. We could lose one of our elite WR's. How will it make us feel if something like that happens the day after we trade Gallup?

It wouldn't be for a 6th as more than likely we get a 4th round compo pick for Gallup, it would have to be a 3rd (minimum) to be worthwhile. And if Cooper went down injured we still have Zeke/Pollard, Lamb/Wilson, and Shultz/Jarwin so there isn't really a huge drop off.

 

[Doomsday101]

It wouldn't be for a 6th as more than likely we get a 4th round compo pick for Gallup, it would have to be a 3rd (minimum) to be worthwhile. And if Cooper went down injured we still have Zeke/Pollard, Lamb/Wilson, and Shultz/Jarwin so there isn't really a huge drop off.

Cowboys hold the cards, no way would I let Gallup go for a 3rd, that may be the consensus of his value in a trade but I think he is more important to the team than a 3rd. I would just as soon have him on the team along with the big play ability he has shown over the last 3 years. Now someone wants to give me a 1st that is a different story. Thing is Cowboys are not in a situation where they need to do anything

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It wouldn't be for a 6th as more than likely we get a 4th round compo pick for Gallup, it would have to be a 3rd (minimum) to be worthwhile. And if Cooper went down injured we still have Zeke/Pollard, Lamb/Wilson, and Shultz/Jarwin so there isn't really a huge drop off.

so why trade gallup for a 3rd or 4th, given in FA we get that back in compensation...so trade him and get back exactly what we would get back if we didn't trade him.....and in the meantime he is an asset to us....trade for those picks makes zero sense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cowboys hold the cards, no way would I let Gallup go for a 3rd, that may be the consensus of his value in a trade but I think he is more important to the team than a 3rd. I would just as soon have him on the team along with the big play ability he has shown over the last 3 years. Now someone wants to give me a 1st that is a different story. Thing is Cowboys are not in a situation where they need to do anything

I violently agree with you.....we get that back for FA compensation...so trade him for what we would get in return if we didn't trade him. makes zero sense.

 

[DanA]

Cowboys hold the cards, no way would I let Gallup go for a 3rd, that may be the consensus of his value in a trade but I think he is more important to the team than a 3rd. I would just as soon have him on the team along with the big play ability he has shown over the last 3 years. Now someone wants to give me a 1st that is a different story. Thing is Cowboys are not in a situation where they need to do anything

I don't disagree although I would probably use the Sammy Watkins trade from Bills to Rams (a 2nd) as the precedent and would probably accept that if the offer was made (a second). I start negotiating if a decent 3rd is offered but I'd want more.

 

[Doomsday101]

I violently agree with you.....we get that back for FA compensation...so trade him for what we would get in return if we didn't trade him. makes zero sense.

Sure as I have said I would not do it for a 2nd rd. Now 1st rd I hold that as a very big pick and having 2 1st rd in your pocket heading into a draft is big. You are talking about a chance of getting top talent at a rookie pay scale. Outside of a 1st I keep Gallup.

 

[DanA]

so why trade gallup for a 3rd or 4th, given in FA we get that back in compensation...so trade him and get back exactly what we would get back if we didn't trade him.....and in the meantime he is an asset to us....trade for those picks makes zero sense.

Because a 4th round pick in 2023 is worth closer to a 5th round pick in 2022 rather than the 2022 3rd round pick I mentioned, and I said, that is the minimum as in where the conversations starts rather than finishes.

 

[Stash]

That pesky ol' cap again.

It really is! And just when we’re getting something really good going.

I’m hoping that the Joneses have some advanced knowledge about the 2023 cap so that they can restructure current contracts and push some money to the future to enable them to keep some pending free agents.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

That pesky ol' cap again.

Loved George Young's comment years ago: "In the NFL everybody has to pay the piper, and the piper's name is Mr. Cap"

 

[LACowboysFan1]

It really is! And just when we’re getting something really good going.

I’m hoping that the Joneses have some advanced knowledge about the 2023 cap so that they can restructure current contracts and push some money to the future to enable them to keep some pending free agents.

Well they're certainly better about the cap than they were 20 or so years ago. Thanking Heaven for small favors...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Because a 4th round pick in 2023 is worth closer to a 5th round pick in 2022 rather than the 2022 3rd round pick I mentioned, and I said, that is the minimum as in where the conversations starts rather than finishes.

sorry, I wouldn't start there at all. rejected at first offer. not doing it. I wouldn't consider it unless it was a 1st, and even then I would think about it. 2022 3rd round pick is what we probably will get for him anyway....so why get back and give soemthing that we would have regardless....