Trade out of the 1st round

[ethiostar]

If this has already been suggested, i apologize.

By all accounts this years draft is the deepest draft in a decade or so, particularly, at the positions the cowboys need to address, i.e. WR, CB, OL.
In addition to these positions the cowboys also need to find a FB, whether they find that person in Hoyte or Polite is still unclear. The linebacker position is also thin, especially when it comes to depth. Whether or not we need ILB or OLB will largely depend on Ellis' health as well as figuring out exactly where Carpenter and Brunett will line up (maybe they will both play both positions, which will give us some flexibility).

That's at least 5 positions that need to be addressed between now and the opening of the season. There are some who believe that Wade will be able to obtain Godfrey from SD, which is fine with me but his age suggests he is not a long term solution. Which means that we still need to address the LB position, pereferably with a young player. Other positions might also be addressed outside of the draft, i.e., june cuts, but there is no guarentee we would obtain a quality player.

Having said all this, why not trade out of the 1st round completely. The best case senerio, we trade with a team like the Lions, Oakland, or Cleveland. Obtain thier second round pick and a later round this year (3rd/4th), and thier 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

Let me say before hand, i'm not sure exactly how the value chart will dectate a move like this. my point is, if the draft is so deep in the positions the cowboys need to address, why not trade out of the 1st round, get additional picks and get four 'quality' players on day one?

 

[ethiostar]

Sorry, forgot to add DT on the list of needs.

 

[Danny White]

If this has already been suggested, i apologize.

By all accounts this years draft is the deepest draft in a decade or so, particularly, at the positions the cowboys need to address, i.e. WR, CB, OL.
In addition to these positions the cowboys also need to find a FB, whether they find that person in Hoyte or Polite is still unclear. The linebacker position is also thin, especially when it comes to depth. Whether or not we need ILB or OLB will largely depend on Ellis' health as well as figuring out exactly where Carpenter and Brunett will line up (maybe they will both play both positions, which will give us some flexibility).

That's at least 5 positions that need to be addressed between now and the opening of the season. There are some who believe that Wade will be able to obtain Godfrey from SD, which is fine with me but his age suggests he is not a long term solution. Which means that we still need to address the LB position, pereferably with a young player. Other positions might also be addressed outside of the draft, i.e., june cuts, but there is no guarentee we would obtain a quality player.

Having said all this, why not trade out of the 1st round completely. The best case senerio, we trade with a team like the Lions, Oakland, or Cleveland. Obtain thier second round pick and a later round this year (3rd/4th), and thier 1st or 2nd round pick next year.

Let me say before hand, i'm not sure exactly how the value chart will dectate a move like this. my point is, if the draft is so deep in the positions the cowboys need to address, why not trade out of the 1st round, get additional picks and get four 'quality' players on day one?

The problem with this, is that it takes two to tango.

You need to find a partner who wants to trade up first... and it seems that, until draft day arrives, everyone wants to trade down.

It's just a matter of waiting until the draft unfolds, and then hoping that a player that a team really wants slips to you (a la JP Losman).

I'm sure if a situation like that arises, Jerry and crew would seriously consider it.

 

[BARRYRAY]

Well I guess the memory of not getting Stephen Jackson and getting Spears and JJ would tell me two ok guys aren't always better than one star, if it was this easy everybody would trade down. the real problem is Dallas gets maybe one pretty good player at #22 but by next round the stores been looted..

 

[stealth]

if the draft is so deep then why would anyone wanna trade up?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

That is what we really need ......a NT who can plug the middle.

 

[superpunk]

if the draft is so deep then why would anyone wanna trade up?

Complimentary cocktails.

Taken in a private bar.

With the Leopard man.

 

[AbeBeta]

The problem with this, is that it takes two to tango.

You need to find a partner who wants to trade up first... and it seems that, until draft day arrives, everyone wants to trade down.

Exactly. Folks seem to think that the trade down option is always waiting there for you -- the fact is that if you do trade down then you are going to pass up some pretty good players. Then we'll have to hear tons of whining on the board about missing out on a guy.

 

[superpunk]

Exactly. Folks seem to think that the trade down option is always waiting there for you -- the fact is that if you do trade down then you are going to pass up some pretty good players. Then we'll have to hear tons of whining on the board about missing out on a guy.

Lookit, I really doubt that would ever happen.

 

[stealth]

Complimentary cocktails.

Taken in a private bar.

With the Leopard man.

what I wouldn't give to be an nfl GM then!!!
That's one of the sexiest thoughts ever, getting liquored up with the leopard man, a man can dream...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Exactly. Folks seem to think that the trade down option is always waiting there for you -- the fact is that if you do trade down then you are going to pass up some pretty good players. Then we'll have to hear tons of whining on the board about missing out on a guy.

We are going to hear that one way or the other.

 

[ethiostar]

some teams trade up because they have 'glaring holes' that need to be addressed and trading up in the 1st round will give them a shot at getting a player that might be able to play as a starter from day one. The Cowboys don't have 'glaring needs', for the most part they already have starters for every position, what they need is to get younger and deeper.

And yes, i'm aware, as is everybody else with a wee bit of a brain, that it takes two to tango. However, it hasn't stopped many on this board from speculating. It is the off season, that's what we do on this board, especially this time of the year.

 

[jackrussell]

The problem with this, is that it takes two to tango.

Not necessarily......

 

[conner01]

i would'nt trade down in the 1st rnd. maybe the 2nd. but in the 1st we can get guys to fix holes we will have next year. we need wr's, cb's, and a lt. we can get very good quality at the wr or cb spot at 22. and there is a huge differense in what you can get at those spots at 22 than the top of the 2nd.
at wr you could get
meachem
ginn
bowe
at cb maybe
revis
houston
ross
there won't be a player of their quality there in the 2nd i don't think,plus we really don't need more picks which is the main reason to trade down. we have 10 picks and 10 people are'nt making this roster so it defeats the point of trading down

 

[arglebargle]

Well I guess the memory of not getting Stephen Jackson and getting Spears and JJ would tell me two ok guys aren't always better than one star, if it was this easy everybody would trade down. the real problem is Dallas gets maybe one pretty good player at #22 but by next round the stores been looted..

Of course, we might have picked Kevin Jones and watched him sit on IR.

Looking at the depth of this draft, the Cowboys could easilly slide down 4-6 picks and still get a very good player. But a lot of that will be determined by the draft day games of 'Chicken' played out by the various team's management.

I know i would be tempted by an extra late 3rd or early 4th rd pick, where talented draft sliders can be picked up on the cheap.

Jerry Jones 'wheelin' and dealin' combined with Ireland's player assessment could lead to some good deals. Or someone too good to pass up may be sitting there at 22. I cross my fingers....

 

[Pabst]

One thing always bothers me when people bring up the Losman trade.

First off, yes, Dallas could have drafted Stephen Jackson. But, they weren't going to. It would have been Kevin Jones.

Second, and more importantly, people constantly state "Well, all we got was Julius Jones and Marcus Spears." While that is true on the surface, people have to go back to the Spears draft and read about what was going on in the Cowboys' War Room.

Parcells wanted Spears. Badly. He was "the guy" to make the 3-4 D work, along with Ferguson. If we didn't have the Bills' pick at 20, Dallas would have selected him with their first round selection. A selection that netted us that Pro Bowl OLB DeMarcus Ware.

Jerry Jones convinced Parcells that Spears would still be there at 20, while Ware would not be. And as such, we have both of them... thanks to the Losman trade.

If we had not traded down with Buffalo, we would not have DeMarcus Ware.

Doesn't seem so bad now, does it?

 

[TwoDeep3]

There has been a "rumor" lately that Parcells wanted Merriman and Jones overruled him and they selected Ware. This came from one of the sports writers, I believe. How he knows is anyone's guess.

But to suggest they would have passed on jackson to take the other Jones is a well oiled rumor of its own. I don't know anything about this rumor that makes it true.

All I know is that if they passed on Jackson for any reason, they may have made a huge mistake.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

If Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe, Reggie Nelson, Chris Houston, Dwayne Jarrett, and Jarvis Moss is at our pick we could afford to trade 3 picks down possibly gain a 3rd or possibly a late second.

What are yall thoughts as the fans?

 

[peplaw06]

If Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe, Reggie Nelson, Chris Houston, Dwayne Jarrett, and Jarvis Moss is at our pick we could afford to trade 3 picks down possibly gain a 3rd or possibly a late second.

What are yall thoughts as the fans?

It's all great in theory, but we have to have somebody 3-5 spots down fall in love with someone and feel like they MUST move up to take him. If it's someone looking for WRs, and all of those guys are available, then they won't want to move up. If they want Moss, there's a better chance of that happening.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I actually think a trade down is the way to go but I do agree, you have to have a trading partner and that is not always an easy thing to do.

I posted this in another thread earlier but basically, I view the draft as follows.

1-15 or so are a cut above the rest. I would include the following in that grouping but it is debatable a player here or there. These are guys I believe will be impact players with potential to start in there first year.

Johnson
Thomas
Quinn
Russell
Adams
Peterson
Landry
Brown
Willis
Branch
Hall
Okoye
Anderson
Carriker
Olsen

From 16 to say 40, I believe the next group of players are roughly equal in skill levels. In this group, I would list the following (again, give or take a player here or there). These are players I see as guys who have the potential to be starters in there 2nd year or so.

Lynch
Nelson
Revis
Houston
Staley
Ginn
Meacham
Timmons
Posluszny
Houston
Moss
Bowe
Grubbs
Harrell
Ross
Jarrett
Griffin
Blaylock
Kalil
Beason
Spencer
Rice
Leonard
Miller
Gonzales

From 41 to say 75, I see as players that would take perhaps a couple of seasons but could end up being solid starters with some potential to be stars. Still solid NFL talent that can be good producers for a team.

Sears
McDonald
Johnson
Tyler
Stanton
DeOssie
T Jackson
Siler
Woodley
Bush
Moses
Jackson
Weddle
Hill
Higgins
Ramirez
Beck
Davis
Wright
B Jackson
Allison
Beekman
J Gattis
Williams
Beck
Clowney
Edwards
Robison
Rouse
Patrick
Meriweather
Pittman
McDonald
McCauley

Ugoh

75 to 100 I see these guys as Solid Starters to solid backups in the next couple seasons. May never be starters but could develop into starters but certainly good role players and important specialized type players for certain situations.

Abiamiri
D. Harris
Thomas
Yanda
R. Harris
Pitcock
J Jones
Moore
MeBane
Soliai
Black
Sartz
Crowder
Myles
Medlock
Wendling
Free
D. Irons
Booker
T Brown
B. Davis
Kolb
AJ Davis
Thomas
Bennett
Martin
Yanda
Crosby
Alama-Francis
Hughes
Bazuin
Piscitelli
Sateli
Coe
Durant
S. Smith

I think that this draft is pretty solid through about 100. If we could move down, I'd be very happy with a lot of the players we could get from 22 down through 75 and even to 100.