News: Trade Scenario- Coop to Baltimore for Peters and a 3rd?

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Can someone explain why trading amari Cooper would cost $6 million in dead money? I have never understood that.

Guaranteed money is often prorated, meaning they pay it all now but the cap hits spread over up to 5 years of the contract.

So when Dallas gave Dak a 66m$ signing bonus, it wasn’t a 66m$ cap hit in 2021 because they spread out the cap hits.

However, if you were to cut a player before the spread out cap hits are all on the cap, they accumulate what’s left and all hit right then. They’re like Salary Cap IOU’s. he already got that money and you’re on the hook for it one way or the other. So if Cooper has 2m left as cap hits from his signing bonus for each of the next 3 years, they all immediately happen when he’s cut/traded… which is 6m$.

So big signing bonuses and guarantees like with what Zeke has make him more or less impossible to get rid of right now, because the cap hit you’d take is way bigger than the current cap amount he costs due to the accumulation of prorated cap hits pushed back into later years.
 

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True. I do think someone will pick him up and I think he can still be a very good player for whom ever picks him up. I just think the cap hit is too much.

Its a results business and the return on investment with that contract is terrible. And no other GM (who doesn’t own the team) would risk being fired over actually trading for such a bad contract.

Everyone else can see the Cowboys bad deals too.
 

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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/amari-cooper-16728/

Cooper received a $10 million signing bonus. That’s spread through his 5 year contract. Unless he’s cut or traded. There are three years or $6 million of that bonus money remaining.
Cooper was already paid the 10 million up front.

Keeps it even if cut or traded.

Its spread over the life of the deal for cap purposes, and why it accelerates against our cap when he is no longer here.

It's offset by the cash savings on the salary, and why his salary averages 20m, but the cap savings is only a net of 16m.

That's why I think he has value on the trade market despite a high salary.....the team that deals for him gets a top WR with zero signing bonus at only a two year commitment, and no big dead money hit when its over.
 

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Guaranteed money is often prorated, meaning they pay it all now but the cap hits spread over up to 5 years of the contract.

So when Dallas gave Dak a 66m$ signing bonus, it wasn’t a 66m$ cap hit in 2021 because they spread out the cap hits.

However, if you were to cut a player before the spread out cap hits are all on the cap, they accumulate what’s left and all hit right then. They’re like Salary Cap IOU’s. he already got that money and you’re on the hook for it one way or the other. So if Cooper has 2m left as cap hits from his signing bonus for each of the next 3 years, they all immediately happen when he’s cut/traded… which is 6m$.

So big signing bonuses and guarantees like with what Zeke has make him more or less impossible to get rid of right now, because the cap hit you’d take is way bigger than the current cap amount he costs due to the accumulation of guaranteed money hits pushed back into later years.

So in a signing bonus they get the money then, but as far as the cap hit it's spread out over the length of the contract. So if he was cut after 3 years then you owe two years of that prorated signing bonus that year.
 

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True. I do think someone will pick him up and I think he can still be a very good player for whom ever picks him up. I just think the cap hit is too much.

Especially if he ends up with a legit SB contender that already has sufficient supporting cast.
But it's high likely that team is not gonna sign him up to the excessive " War Daddy " amount that the Cowboys overpaid to re-sign Dlaw for.
 

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We just spent a premium pick on a CB from Kentucky. We need to give him an opportunity. We can't afford Peters contract anyway and we certainly don't need to be tacking on a draft pick for the privilege.
 

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Especially if he ends up with a legit SB contender that already has sufficient supporting cast.
But it's high likely that team is not gonna sign him up to the excessive " War Daddy " amount that the Cowboys overpaid to re-sign Dlaw for.

When DLaw signed the contract he was 27 he is now 30 years old and the last 2 years of his deal are 27 and 29 mill cap hit. Yes in the 3 years prior he counted 11 mill, 9.9 mil and last season 25 mill. I'm sure anything he signs will be else where will be around the 13 mil range.
 

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So in a signing bonus they get the money then, but as far as the cap hit it's spread out over the length of the contract. So if he was cut after 3 years then you owe two years of that prorated signing bonus that year.

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So in a signing bonus they get the money then, but as far as the cap hit it's spread out over the length of the contract. So if he was cut after 3 years then you owe two years of that prorated signing bonus that year.

Exactly. Also, When you hear about player contracts getting restructured, the player isn’t gaining or losing any money. What’s happening is the team is turning a year’s salary into a guaranteed lump some, which as a player would be great. But the reason the team does this is so they can prorate that money over 5 years instead of having it all on this year’s cap.

Imagine if a player has 20m$ in salary this year, and 5 years left on his deal. They restructure, give him that 20m$ today, and then the cap hit is dropped by 16m$! all that they account for this year is the 4m$ portion of the prorated guarantee.

The problem with restructures is twofold: what if they did that this year, and then did it again next year? Suddenly the final 3 years of the deal each have ~10m$ more added too then, so you’re really just pushing back the cap hits until they catch up with you. That’s what happened with Romo, and the reason he was still a 15m$ cap hit on your books a year after he retired. You restructured him 2-3 times.

The second issue here is what we talked about before, it becomes that much harder to move a player. So if you give him a giant signing bonus AND restructure him a year or two down the line, it could be an insane accumulation of cap hits to move him. It’s why Philly gained 0 cap relief by trading Wentz. Now imagine if Pat Mahomes declared he was an anarchist and did some unmentionable things. The chiefs would take a 92m$ cap hit by cutting him, despite the fact he’s not paid nearly that much per year. It’s because his signing bonus was huge and they’ve already restructured him.

So there’s always a colossal risk in the background to restructuring a player with a huge contract. What if he has a career ending injury? What if he abruptly retired?
 

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We just spent a premium pick on a CB from Kentucky. We need to give him an opportunity. We can't afford Peters contract anyway and we certainly don't need to be tacking on a draft pick for the privilege.

Exactly. That’s why these fantasy trades frustrate me. They don’t look at the whole picture. If Dallas is reading Cooper away, it’s to save cap space, not to add another big dollar contract on a one year deal do they can sit their young cornerbacks from last year even longer.
 

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So in a signing bonus they get the money then, but as far as the cap hit it's spread out over the length of the contract. So if he was cut after 3 years then you owe two years of that prorated signing bonus that year.
Exactly. You get the cash upfront but take the hit later down the contract. The first year of Coopers contract only cost the team 12 million cap hit for 2020 but Cooper was paid 20 million dollars (that means the remaining 8 million difference was spread over the next 4 years).

Restructures are similiar, they take a portion of your base rate and convert it into a signing bonus which allows them to push it farther down the contract. Players like this because that's now more money of there contract that's guranteed and with the money being pushed farther down the contract it means it's more likely they can stay on the roster
 

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That doesn't account for the games where he doesn't show up with 100% performance. They typically come when we're on the road.

he had better splits on the road than home this year. not to mention Peters is the definition of hot and cold, and has only played 30 games in the past 4 years (to include missing all of last year) You're really off the mark here.
 

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he had better splits on the road than home this year. not to mention Peters is the definition of hot and cold, and has only played 30 games in the past 4 years (to include missing all of last year) You're really off the mark here.

He had the advantage of a far better overall defense this year as compared to 2020. Peters was an all pro enough to assure his talent level. Being the victim of injury takes its toll on anyone, regardless of talent. Aside from that, Cooper is very good but not comparable with his contract. He's being seriously overrated by most fans here. We have enough talent at WR to serve our cause capably, with or without him. The other WRs will just have to step it up. Also, a good one will very likely be taken in the draft.
 

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He had the advantage of a far better overall defense this year as compared to 2020. Peters was an all pro enough to assure his talent level. Being the victim of injury takes its toll on anyone, regardless of talent. Aside from that, Cooper is very good but not comparable with his contract. He's being seriously overrated by most fans here. We have enough talent at WR to serve our cause capably, with or without him. The other WRs will just have to step it up.

What ‘other receivers’? Have you actually looked at who they have under contract?
 

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What ‘other receivers’? Have you actually looked at who they have under contract?

Cee Dee, Wilson and Gallup, if he's retained should help take up the slack. Malik Turner probably deserves an opportunity to play, as well. There's work to be done to get them all under contract, although, it would be foolish to allow them all to continue with the cap liabilities currently present.
 

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Cee Dee, Wilson and Gallup, if he's retained should help take up the slack. Malik Turner probably deserves an opportunity to play, as well. There's work to be done to get them all under contract, although, it would be foolish to allow them all to continue with the cap liabilities currently present.

CeeDee is the only one under contract. Therefore, we don’t actually have them as ‘other receivers’.
 
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