Trade Scenario: Dak and the 10th pick for Watson and Watt

[jterrell]

No one wants out of the Cooper deal. He’s earning his money and is not overpaid.
Zeke is another matter.

Probably 3 WR in this free agency class will surpass Cooper.
His deal isn't bad.
Zeke's deal is harsh and the structure is about as bad as it gets.
But it is what it is and you need to maximize what you can get out of Zeke for 24 months because you are married to him.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

No, no, no. lol.
Dallas has near zero leverage and making Dak an UDFA makes it literally zero.

Dak doesn't miss a single paycheck until week 1.
He doesn't need to sign right now or even March 15th.
Dallas is the one with the pressure cooker of the salary cap.

On a free market Dak would get paid a TON. TON of money.
As a free agent he doesn't have to pass a physical just submit all his medical records for perusal CURRENTLY. --this was a COVID adjustment.

Given what the Rams just paid in trade costs to take a flier on Stafford the amount of money some team would throw at Dak in a money only deal? Sheesh. Off the charts.
What Dak might have to take is a deal focused more on roster bonuses as opposed to day 1 GTD in this case.
But the numbers would still be insane.

It'd take 50M year 1 to get a meeting IMHO. --with 40M AAV over 4 years to 45AAV over 5.
And for that Dallas would get a R3 comp provided they don't sign more free agents of value than they lose.
Which basically means they'd have to slow pay free agency like last year and/or take the lower end of QB market. Jameis Winston, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton.

The Colts have over 60M in cap space and need a QB but little else.

What? LOL!

Dak is not getting squat on the free market until he can pass a physical. No team is stupid enough to offer $40M/yr with $110M guaranteed based on a few medical charts. Show me you can throw, cut, and run or no deal.

As an URFA Dak gets zero until he signs a contract.

No team is paying $40M per year for a QB with a cap of $180M. Not even lowering the cap hit the first year.

The Rams had to give up a ton to get some team to take Goff’s contract. Goff had negative value. Lions would have laughed at a Stafford-Goff trade straight up. Stafford had value because his base salary is low for his talent. Not so with Dak talent at $40M. Stafford at $20M/yr has 1st rd value. Stafford at $40M/yr has negative value. Dak at $40M/yr has negative value.

Yes, the Colts have cap money. Doesn’t mean the are going to spend it on a QB who can’t pass a physical and wants huge money.

 

[ColoradoCowboy]

He is until the end of the league year, March 17th, 4pm eastern.

Odd. That is the exact same time that, after which, trades can actually be made.


Just saying that we CANNOT trade Dak, at all, until he signs some sort of contract; be it a tag or otherwise.

 

[jterrell]

What? LOL!

Dak is not getting squat on the free market until he can pass a physical. No team is stupid enough to offer $40M/yr with $110M guaranteed based on a few medical charts. Show me you can throw, cut, and run or no deal.

As an URFA Dak gets zero until he signs a contract.

No team is paying $40M per year for a QB with a cap of $180M. Not even lowering the cap hit the first year.

The Rams had to give up a ton to get some team to take Goff’s contract. Goff had negative value. Lions would have laughed at a Stafford-Goff trade straight up. Stafford had value because his base salary is low for his talent. Not so with Dak talent at $40M. Stafford at $20M/yr has 1st rd value. Stafford at $40M/yr has negative value. Dak at $40M/yr has negative value.

Yes, the Colts have cap money. Doesn’t mean the are going to spend it on a QB who can’t pass a physical and wants huge money.

You are beyond goofy.
BEYOND.

You think Matt Stafford has passed a physical for LAR?? You think he was 100% at season's end??
Dude stop posting stupid things.

Dak had an ankle injury. 1 that is more than on target for a full recovery.
Teams will gladly sign him and move forward with him as their franchise QB if given a chance.
They couldn't lock him in quickly enough.

10-12 teams need answers and Dak provides a top 10 league-wide answer.
If that can be obtained for zero trade capital? wow.....

Exactly zero QBs of Dak's caliber have hit unrestricted free agency, because that would be GM malpractice.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

You are beyond goofy.
BEYOND.

You think Matt Stafford has passed a physical for LAR?? You think he was 100% at season's end??
Dude stop posting stupid things.

Dak had an ankle injury. 1 that is more than on target for a full recovery.
Teams will gladly sign him and move forward with him as their franchise QB if given a chance.
They couldn't lock him in quickly enough.

10-12 teams need answers and Dak provides a top 10 league-wide answer.
If that can be obtained for zero trade capital? wow.....

Exactly zero QBs of Dak's caliber have hit unrestricted free agency, because that would be GM malpractice.

The Stafford-Goff trade has not gone through yet? They can announce but nothing is official until the paperwork is signed on 17 Mar. Yes, there will be physicals done on both players before the paperwork is signed. Teams don’t accept damaged goods. Apparently, you must never heard of a trade being cancelled because a player failed a physical. You not understanding such a simple thing explains why you think teams are slobbering to sign a guy who can’t pass a physical for $40M per year with $110M guaranteed.

An ankle injury? Dude, he had a compound fracture and a dislocated ankle. It doesn’t take a doctor to know that that was a serious injury. You have no idea how his leg is healing. The only thing we heard from a reporter is that he is rehabbing in a pool so as not to put full weight on his foot 15 weeks after injury. Seen any videos of him rehabbing?

Go take a look at how hard it is to work a $40M per year contract in a $180M cap for 2021 and 2022. Assume the worst for 2022. Yeah, yeah, yeah put a bogus $60M year 4 or 5 and everything is good. Just restructure that into another extension.

Last, Dak just isn’t that good to demand $40M/year healthy. He’s not even healthy right now. Keep trying.

 

[Whyjerry]

So Dak is as good as Watson. So giving up a 10 for a guy that might play 2 more seasons and hasn’t been healthy in years. Yeah that makes sense.

 

[the_h0wey]

Get Watt to restructure to make the numbers work fo cap purposes. Upgrade the QB position and the d-line.

I'll take things that wouldn't even happen in Madden for $1000

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nope. Watt, while a great player is not needed here. We would already be on the hook for a 40 mil plus year in 22 and again in 23. I mean, there is a reason we aren't giving that money to Dak. Why in the world would we trade simply to do the same thing for Watson?

Makes no sense at all to me.

 

[Adreme]

Unless he has a no trade clause, he has no control.

If he does not sign his franchise tag, Dallas cannot trade him. He can just wait to sign the tag until after the draft if he does not like any of the potential trade partners (heck he could wait until the Thursday before week 1 and lose 0 money doing so). Meanwhile Dallas still has to reserve the entire 37m of his tag even if he has not signed it yet but they cannot trade him until he does.

 

[ItzKelz]

That is only true if Prescott hasn't signed a tag offer. If he's signed it he has zero control who the Cowboys decide to trade a player on their roster. They won't do it, but that is how Prescott would have no control. Watson has control because he has a no trade clause in his contract and even though he has asked for a trade he won't release from that clause if it's to a team he doesn't want to go to.
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But Dak doesnt have to sign the tag.....that is my point. If the Cowboys decided that they wanted to move while he is not signed they would basically have to come to him to agree to any trade partner

 

[Typhus]

he can't even control his gimp foot. lol, only leverage he has is a crutch.

Dangity man, thats harsh..lol but the funniest thing Ive heard all week.

 

[GMO415]

Watson trade would demand Dak and three 1st round picks.

 

[HungryLion]

Deshaun and Dak are basically right around the same level as QB’s. Give or take a smidge for either player.

JJ watt is done. You’ll be lucky to get one more really productive season out of him.

so a 10th pick for that? No

 

[gjkoeppen]

But Dak doesnt have to sign the tag.....that is my point. If the Cowboys decided that they wanted to move while he is not signed they would basically have to come to him to agree to any trade partner

But only fans for their own reasons think that the Cowboys actually do want to or ever want to trade Prescott and thus far there is less than ZERO proof that they do. You can think of as many possible things that COULD happen but that does not mean that there is any real chance that they will.
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[phildadon86]

I hate it.

Watt is just about done and Watson is way to expensive..


Give me Stafford and cap space all day.

This didnt age well lol.

Stafford for 2 firsts? no thank you sir!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Watson trade would demand Dak and three 1st round picks.

I say 10 1st rounders.

 

[zerofill]

If we are talking TJ Watt I will trade even up haha

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Watson trade would demand Dak and three 1st round picks.

Pass!