Trade speculation by me

[NextGenBoys]

Trust me the fact that we are acquiring Ex-Lions doesn't thrill me.

Roy Williams was a good move but Kitna is just not a guy I want on my team because if I had to pick the face of losing at the QB position over the last 8 or so years it would be Kitna.

He's a solid player but just doesn't give the kind of winners vibe that I would like to set for this team.

When I think of Kitna I think of a perenial top 3 draft choice for your franchise.

How about when Jon Kitna backed up Carson Palmer in 04 and 05. Palmer had one of his best seasons, setting career highs in TD's and completion percentage.

The guy is a good backup. Period. Starter? Not so much, but we have a guy called Tony Romo for that.

 

[Manster54]

Signing him to an extention worth 42 million with 20 guarunteed doesn't really remind me of peanuts, unless you're eating some sort of extremely rare, and exotic ones.

 

[JonJon]

If you can somehow motivate him and get him in shape than you have a top NT.

Good luck with that...

 

[AKATheRake]

He did have a better year last year than I had thought. He had like 74 tackles and I believe 4.5 sacks. But from what I understand he's angry at the Cleveland managment cause he was told by them that he was to show up in shape for the camps, or whatever it is that's coming up, or not to bother showing up.

He's pissed that they aren't interested in him showing up out of shape. Well boo hoo.

Him being peed off with the Browns is more about being peed off with Mangini. It has nothing to do about coming to camp in shape, that's already outlined in his contract. He's peed that Mangini had never formally talked with him yet and that even when there was an opportunity in person at a team event, Mangini never acknowledged Rogers. Mangini admits to not knowing Rogers was even there.

Listen, Paul Brown just got rid of KW2, is talking to the Giants about Braylon Edwards now and when you look at your 2 brightest young players and say ship em out that tells me team fire sale. Rogers is gone too if there's a reasonable taker. They want their 2nd back for him. Paul "Cheapo" Brown just doesn't want his fans to see fire sale blatantly on his team. The Browns fans are as loyal as any fan base and year in and out they get the short end of this stick from this clown of an owner.

Believe me, if Brown can pay Rogers, Jerry can. The contract isn't as big as you think but it is not miniscule either. But at today's going rate Rogers is worth it. He was a savage last year and everyone was talking about how relentless he was last year as opposed to the 2 seasons prior. His contract last year was 6 years/ $42 big ones with $20 big ones guaranteed and $23 big ones being made within the first 3 seasons. It's more front loaded than anything. So, going by what you guys have seen this week? Does a nasty disruptive NT with 3-4 experience just coming off a pro bowl season where Haynesworth and Wilfork also play in the same conference deserve that type of money? Haynesworth's personality is more volatile than this guys. That's not taking the Gurode incident into account.

Sign me up for our 2nd and I'll take him right after we sign Ware. After disposing of Ellis we surely have the money. This guy will give us 1 of the better d-lines in the league and possiby the best 8 man front in the whole joint.

 

[khiladi]

Him being peed off with the Browns is more about being peed off with Mangini. It has nothing to do about coming to camp in shape, that's already outlined in his contract. He's peed that Mangini had never formally talked with him yet and that even when there was an opportunity in person at a team event, Mangini never acknowledged Rogers. Mangini admits to not knowing Rogers was even there.

Listen, Paul Brown just got rid of KW2, is talking to the Giants about Braylon Edwards now and when you look at your 2 brightest young players and say ship em out that tells me team fire sale. Rogers is gone too if there's a reasonable taker. They want their 2nd back for him. Paul "Cheapo" Brown just doesn't want his fans to see fire sale blatantly on his team. The Browns fans are as loyal as any fan base and year in and out they get the short end of this stick from this clown of an owner.

Believe me, if Brown can pay Rogers, Jerry can. The contract isn't as big as you think but it is not miniscule either. But at today's going rate Rogers is worth it. He was a savage last year and everyone was talking about how relentless he was last year as opposed to the 2 seasons prior. His contract last year was 6 years/ $42 big ones with $20 big ones guaranteed and $23 big ones being made within the first 3 seasons. It's more front loaded than anything. So, going by what you guys have seen this week? Does a nasty disruptive NT with 3-4 experience just coming off a pro bowl season where Haynesworth and Wilfork also play in the same conference deserve that type of money? Haynesworth's personality is more volatile than this guys. That's not taking the Gurode incident into account.

Sign me up for our 2nd and I'll take him right after we sign Ware. After disposing of Ellis we surely have the money. This guy will give us 1 of the better d-lines in the league and possiby the best 8 man front in the whole joint.

Word....

 

[Stash]

Him being peed off with the Browns is more about being peed off with Mangini. It has nothing to do about coming to camp in shape, that's already outlined in his contract. He's peed that Mangini had never formally talked with him yet and that even when there was an opportunity in person at a team event, Mangini never acknowledged Rogers. Mangini admits to not knowing Rogers was even there.

Listen, Paul Brown just got rid of KW2, is talking to the Giants about Braylon Edwards now and when you look at your 2 brightest young players and say ship em out that tells me team fire sale. Rogers is gone too if there's a reasonable taker. They want their 2nd back for him. Paul "Cheapo" Brown just doesn't want his fans to see fire sale blatantly on his team. The Browns fans are as loyal as any fan base and year in and out they get the short end of this stick from this clown of an owner.

Believe me, if Brown can pay Rogers, Jerry can. The contract isn't as big as you think but it is not miniscule either. But at today's going rate Rogers is worth it. He was a savage last year and everyone was talking about how relentless he was last year as opposed to the 2 seasons prior. His contract last year was 6 years/ $42 big ones with $20 big ones guaranteed and $23 big ones being made within the first 3 seasons. It's more front loaded than anything. So, going by what you guys have seen this week? Does a nasty disruptive NT with 3-4 experience just coming off a pro bowl season where Haynesworth and Wilfork also play in the same conference deserve that type of money? Haynesworth's personality is more volatile than this guys. That's not taking the Gurode incident into account.

Sign me up for our 2nd and I'll take him right after we sign Ware. After disposing of Ellis we surely have the money. This guy will give us 1 of the better d-lines in the league and possiby the best 8 man front in the whole joint.

I thought Randy Lerner owned the Browns?

 

[dbair1967]

Sign me up for our 2nd and I'll take him right after we sign Ware. After disposing of Ellis we surely have the money. This guy will give us 1 of the better d-lines in the league and possiby the best 8 man front in the whole joint.

No...definitely wouldnt trade a high pick for him, especially when its our only 1st day pick.

This guy is a fat malcontent. hell he wasnt even in shape last yr for the first game of the season, and that was after signing a big new deal and getting his wish, to get out of Detroit. Dude was so fat and out of shape he was sitting out of plays early in the game. Aikman and Buck were even making fun of him over it.

 

[AKATheRake]

We should just run a 4-3.
Ratt would be happy and move ware back to DE. We have the players to do it.

Ducking...

So Ware (DE), Ratliff (DT), Spears (DT) and Spencer (DE)? With James (OLB), Brooking (MLB) and Barbie (OLB)?

We'd break down by the middle of the third. Ware wouldn't play as long and effectively going up against LT's 1 on 1 every snap and we certainly would create as much pressure since our pressure players are coming from the same spot 80 percent of the time.

We're a 3-4 team for as long as Demarcus Ware is signed. Rightfully so too!

 

[khiladi]

No...definitely wouldnt trade a high pick for him, especially when its our only 1st day pick.

This guy is a fat malcontent. hell he wasnt even in shape last yr for the first game of the season, and that was after signing a big new deal and getting his wish, to get out of Detroit. Dude was so fat and out of shape he was sitting out of plays early in the game. Aikman and Buck were even making fun of him over it.

He played crappy the whole year or was their best defensive player the whole year for the Browns?

 

[AKATheRake]

No...definitely wouldnt trade a high pick for him, especially when its our only 1st day pick.

This guy is a fat malcontent. hell he wasnt even in shape last yr for the first game of the season, and that was after signing a big new deal and getting his wish, to get out of Detroit. Dude was so fat and out of shape he was sitting out of plays early in the game. Aikman and Buck were even making fun of him over it.

I remember him being the only bright spot on that team during our game against them and other than Winslow the remainder of the year for them. The guy naturally is a monster at 6'4" 350 lbs. I did not hear 1 report of him being out of shape during the season last year. The year prior, yes, but not last year.

I don't like trading our picks either but there is nowhere in the draft we get this type of monster. He was great last year. Don't know what info is out there otherwise, he was outstanding last year. You realize that Haynesworth, John Henderson, Kris Jenkins, Jamal Williams, Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork all play in that conference. Rogers still made the pro bowl. You don't beat out those guys by taking plays off and being out of shape.

Shaun Rogers 2008/2009 season:

Started 16/16
Tackles: 76, 61 solo, 15 assisted
Sacks: 4.5
Pass Def: 4

This guy was double and triple teamed all year. Other than him, no one on their d-line gets attention. Other than him and Kamerion Wimbley no one on their front 8 gets attention. The guys a monster and was not out of shape last year. But he does need someone down his throat about staying in shape. All these big men do. Romeo Crennel is no dictator and Rogers showed up last season.

 

[dbair1967]

I remember him being the only bright spot on that team during our game against them and other than Winslow the remainder of the year for them. The guy naturally is a monster at 6'4" 350 lbs. I did not hear 1 report of him being out of shape during the season last year. The year prior, yes, but not last year.

I don't like trading our picks either but there is nowhere in the draft we get this type of monster. He was great last year. Don't know what info is out there otherwise, he was outstanding last year. You realize that Haynesworth, John Henderson, Kris Jenkins, Jamal Williams, Casey Hampton and Vince Wilfork all play in that conference. Rogers still made the pro bowl. You don't beat out those guys by taking plays off and being out of shape.

Shaun Rogers 2008/2009 season:

Started 16/16
Tackles: 76, 61 solo, 15 assisted
Sacks: 4.5
Pass Def: 4

This guy was double and triple teamed all year. Other than him, no one on their d-line gets attention. Other than him and Kamerion Wimbley no one on their front 8 gets attention. The guys a monster and was not out of shape last year. But he does need someone down his throat about staying in shape. All these big men do. Romeo Crennel is no dictator and Rogers showed up last season.

You obviously either dont remember what was said during the game or just dont want to then, because Buck and Aikman basically laughed at him. He was a total non factor in our game.

As for saying he was their best player on defense, thats clearly debatable and something nobody on here would have any clue if really true, because nobody in this forum watched all 16 Browns games. The other issue is they had one of the worst defenses in football, and if he's so good and drew so much attention as you suggest, why didnt they play better as a unit?

 

[AKATheRake]

I thought Randy Lerner owned the Browns?

LOL, He does. Why I wrote Paul Brown is beyond me. Must have been thinking Mike Brown of Cincy since I was thinking cheap. Paul Brown founded the Cleveland Browns and was actually a decent guy from what I've read. Randy took the team over after Al Lerner passed away 5 or so years ago. Bottom ine I stand corrected on owners name.

 

[AKATheRake]

You obviously either dont remember what was said during the game or just dont want to then, because Buck and Aikman basically laughed at him. He was a total non factor in our game.

As for saying he was their best player on defense, thats clearly debatable and something nobody on here would have any clue if really true, because nobody in this forum watched all 16 Browns games. The other issue is they had one of the worst defenses in football, and if he's so good and drew so much attention as you suggest, why didnt they play better as a unit?

I don't remember Aikman and Buck laughing at him. I remember the game and in fact had money on it with a friend who was watching it with me. Nice memory winning $100 too. I definitely didn't watch 16 Cleveland Browns games last season but I saw a few. Saw the Giants and Denver just off the top of my head. So I have that to go by.

Also have his pro bowl status to go by. Hey, I doubt you watched 16 games of Albert Haynesworth last year but I'd bet you'd say he's one of the better tackles in the league, no? The Browns did have a bad defense, I acknowledged that in writing before you did. Why they didn't play better as a unit is because other than Shaun Rogers and Kamerion Wimbley there isn't anyone that teams have to specifically worry about. Basically why he gets double and triple teamed. So that's the 2nd time I'm saying this. Please, do I really need to explain a 3rd?

For a guy who hasn't seen 16 Browns games last year you are sure ready to say the guy is fat, out of shape, has to sit on the bench, this commentator said this, etc. But I nor anyone else is in a position to critique his level of play? You're in a position to judge what people know or don't know? I'll respect your opinion on whether you want the guy or not. Heck, you're very much entitled to it. But what's with all of this aggressive judging of other opinions and credibility? I think he's a good option for a 2nd, based on what I know from last years body of work. Am I entiteld to have an opinion on a football discussion board as you are or not?

 

[AKATheRake]

By the way, I have no clue to whether Shaun Rogers was their best player on defense? Not sure I said he was in the previous posts but I do believe he is. Not that I'm totally enamored by the pro bowl but it does stand for something. He was their owner defensive player to go to the pro bowl. Other than their stand out guard, Joe Thomas (who I think is their best player) and their long snapper no one else on the team went to the pro bowl. That's 1 clue. 1 more than no clue.

 

[AKATheRake]

By the way, I have no clue to whether Shaun Rogers was their best player on defense? Not sure I said he was in the previous posts but I do believe he is. Not that I'm totally enamored by the pro bowl but it does stand for something. He was their owner defensive player to go to the pro bowl. Other than their stand out guard, Joe Thomas (who I think is their best player) and their long snapper no one else on the team went to the pro bowl. That's 1 clue. 1 more than no clue.

Owner = Only
Guard = Ment LT

for some reason I can't edit posts.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Im really not a big fan of this guy but when he is motivated he is a solid player.

I don't want him but I am just speculating that Dallas may be looking at trading for Sean Rogers.

We need a Nose Tackle and guys like that are tough to find.

Cleveland also supposedly wants to get rid of him and we loooove doing business with the Browns.

I hope we don't make this move but we are getting desperate for a NT.

If you can somehow motivate him and get him in shape than you have a top NT.

Actually Shaun Rogers would be great IF he wasn't so lazy. No thanks.

 

[TNCowboy]

You obviously either dont remember what was said during the game or just dont want to then, because Buck and Aikman basically laughed at him. He was a total non factor in our game.

Laughed at him?

He ran over Proctor and nearly killed Tony Romo on a couple of plays.

 

[dbair1967]

Laughed at him?

He ran over Proctor and nearly killed Tony Romo on a couple of plays.

Dont recall much of him doing that.

I do recall Aikmana and Buck calling him out for having to sit out key plays in the first regular season game. He was sucking wind on the 1dt or 2nd series.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

Him being peed off with the Browns is more about being peed off with Mangini. It has nothing to do about coming to camp in shape, that's already outlined in his contract. He's peed that Mangini had never formally talked with him yet and that even when there was an opportunity in person at a team event, Mangini never acknowledged Rogers. Mangini admits to not knowing Rogers was even there.

Listen, Paul Brown just got rid of KW2, is talking to the Giants about Braylon Edwards now and when you look at your 2 brightest young players and say ship em out that tells me team fire sale. Rogers is gone too if there's a reasonable taker. They want their 2nd back for him. Paul "Cheapo" Brown just doesn't want his fans to see fire sale blatantly on his team. The Browns fans are as loyal as any fan base and year in and out they get the short end of this stick from this clown of an owner.

Believe me, if Brown can pay Rogers, Jerry can. The contract isn't as big as you think but it is not miniscule either. But at today's going rate Rogers is worth it. He was a savage last year and everyone was talking about how relentless he was last year as opposed to the 2 seasons prior. His contract last year was 6 years/ $42 big ones with $20 big ones guaranteed and $23 big ones being made within the first 3 seasons. It's more front loaded than anything. So, going by what you guys have seen this week? Does a nasty disruptive NT with 3-4 experience just coming off a pro bowl season where Haynesworth and Wilfork also play in the same conference deserve that type of money? Haynesworth's personality is more volatile than this guys. That's not taking the Gurode incident into account.

Sign me up for our 2nd and I'll take him right after we sign Ware. After disposing of Ellis we surely have the money. This guy will give us 1 of the better d-lines in the league and possiby the best 8 man front in the whole joint.

co sign

i wouldnt be apposed to giving up a 2nd for rogers. the guy is a beast. and he isnt getting paid a ton of money compared to other NT And lineman

his contract is modest compared to what guys are getting, canty for god sakes is getting paid the same as him lol

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

look up shaun rogers play last yr and youll see nothing but positive comments.

im hard press to see anyone say he wasnt the teams best defensive players and one of the best at his position last yr