Trade speculation by me

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

No...definitely wouldnt trade a high pick for him, especially when its our only 1st day pick.

This guy is a fat malcontent. hell he wasnt even in shape last yr for the first game of the season, and that was after signing a big new deal and getting his wish, to get out of Detroit. Dude was so fat and out of shape he was sitting out of plays early in the game. Aikman and Buck were even making fun of him over it.

Weight mandate among issues prompting Shaun Rogers to ask Cleveland Browns to release him

by Mary Kay Cabot / Plain Dealer Reporter Thursday February 26, 2009, 2:09 PM

Joshua Gunter/ The Plain DealerShaun Rogers has asked for his release from the Browns.
Updated at 8:55 p.m.
CLEVELAND -- Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers has formally asked to be traded or released by the Browns and isn't likely to change his mind, a source close to Rogers said.

Browns coach Eric Mangini has been trying to call the disgruntled tackle, but it's not yet known if the two have talked. Chances are, it wouldn't do much good anyway.

A Browns souurce said neither Rogers nor his representative have made any demands. Mangini did not immidiately respond to a request to be interviewed.

Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.
Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 --Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.

The mandate angered Rogers because he was in compliance with his weight all last season.

What's more, he played on a sore knee much of the year and with a sore shoulder for most of the second half. He left one game with a neck stinger and returned, never missing any time because of the injuries.

Rogers came to Cleveland with a reputation for his weight ballooning in the second half of seasons, especially in 2007 when it was said that he ran out of gas. That never happened here. In fact, Rogers played some of his best ball down the stretch in 2008, despite the fact the Browns were out of the playoff hunt and in disarray.

Rogers is also upset that the team failed to reach out to him even after they knew he was miffed about the snubs and the weight issue. The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released.

Only now is Mangini trying to contact Rogers, and it may very well be too late.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, made it clear on Wednesday that Rogers' issues have nothing to do with money or his contract. In fact, he'd reportedly rather be released than earn the $15 million he's still owed, including a $6 million option bonus due next month.
The Browns would take a $9.7 million salary cap hit if they cut Rogers, according to NFl.com, but they have said they have no intentions of releasing him.

The unfortunate part -- for Rogers and the Browns --is that Rogers was rejuvenated in Cleveland and had a Pro Bowl season after virtually being run out of Detroit, where he was viewed as lazy and underacheiving. Rogers also rehabilitated his public image here. He was the best player the Browns had on defense last season and the cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.

It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime. For his part, Mangini has said he values Rogers highly, wants him on the team and never meant to snub or show disrespect to him. It's not known if the weight mandate came from Mangini or someone else.

 

[mperfection]

Dont recall much of him doing that.

I do recall Aikmana and Buck calling him out for having to sit out key plays in the first regular season game. He was sucking wind on the 1dt or 2nd series.

Well I DO recall him running over Proctor and flapping that big 350-lb belly on top of Romo.

 

[dbair1967]

Well I DO recall him running over Proctor and flapping that big 350-lb belly on top of Romo.

we ran and passed all over them all day...dude had no impact at all

in fact Proctor had a good game that day, so much so that some people were saying he might even be an upgrade over Kosier.

 

[jobberone]

He played well last year overall. He did leave the Dallas game a few times and appeared to be out of gas. He did go back in and was disruptive occasionally. He's a high risk player IMO.

I wonder if he and his agent saw the BIG money thrown at Haynesworth and is looking for a deal as well. Heck if I were him then I'd love to be released by the Browns to negotiate another deal with guaranteed money yada. Which is why the Browns won't release him and eat his salary cap hit.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

we ran and passed all over them all day...dude had no impact at all

in fact Proctor had a good game that day, so much so that some people were saying he might even be an upgrade over Kosier.

i like how you claimed he was fat and out of shape last yr

then when i posted a article saying he played at his weight all season and had no weight issues you completely overlook it.

i know some people like players and have ones they hate for whatever reason. but give credit where its due.

this guy was in shape all of last yr and was was one of the top players at his position

 

[dbair1967]

i like how you claimed he was fat and out of shape last yr

then when i posted a article saying he played at his weight all season and had no weight issues you completely overlook it.

i know some people like players and have ones they hate for whatever reason. but give credit where its due.

this guy was in shape all of last yr and was was one of the top players at his position

ok...I guess those times I saw him on tv with three arses hanging out of his pants along with that gigantic blubber bulge pushing out his jersey was a mistake...yeah, he was in awesome shape...thats why he probably didnt play 50-60% of the teams snaps

 

[AKATheRake]

co sign

i wouldnt be apposed to giving up a 2nd for rogers. the guy is a beast. and he isnt getting paid a ton of money compared to other NT And lineman

his contract is modest compared to what guys are getting, canty for god sakes is getting paid the same as him lol

I know, Chris Canty gets paid like Shaun Rogers, hahahaha! Shaun Rogers, Jay Ratliff and Marcus Spears would definitely get some respect around the league. Who do you focus on when it comes to the strong side? Ratliff or Ware? Just ridiculous pressure. It would make that weak side so much more productive and we wouldn't have to overload much to get pressure. Suddenly RW38 can cover from time to time, lol! Heck me and you can go out there and db a series or two with that type of pressure.

 

[AKATheRake]

ok...I guess those times I saw him on tv with three arses hanging out of his pants along with that gigantic blubber bulge pushing out his jersey was a mistake...yeah, he was in awesome shape...thats why he probabl didnt play 50-60% of the teams snaps

Lol @ 3 arsses. Those weren't arsses those were cured hams. Nobody said the guy is a narcisist but we're talking about a guy who can balloon to 380 after a decent lunch naturally. At 350 this guy is looking good. Same as Kris Jenkins. These are some of the earths naturally largest people and they are very distruptive on the front lines. Believe me, Rogers played more than 40-60 percent of the defenses snaps. He was in there a good 70-80 percent. The guy is the anchor to their defense.

You will never get this guy at 315, nor should anyone want to. Anyone who thinks it's possible and that it wil help him is dipping into the Johnny Walker. I'd join them too. This guy at 350 is in perfect form. 2-3 years from now you might want him down another 10-15 lbs, which yes is harder to do because of his age, but it will keep his motor going better and save his knees. This isn't a joke, this is what these monsters go through.

 

[AKATheRake]

By the way. Everyone not playing the game can laugh all they want. The guys on the field aren't, I'll guarantee that. Centers and guards hate playing this guy.

 

[dbair1967]

By the way. Everyone not playing the game can laugh all they want. The guys on the field aren't, I'll guarantee that. Centers and guards hate playing this guy.

I dont doubt that alot of guys hate facing him. I am also not denying that when in decent shape and somewhat motivated that he's not a good to excellent player.

The problem is those things dont happen enough. And I have a serious problem trading pick/s for a guy like that.

 

[AKATheRake]

I dont doubt that alot of guys hate facing him. I am also not denying that when in decent shape and somewhat motivated that he's not a good to excellent player.

The problem is those things dont happen enough. And I have a serious problem trading pick/s for a guy like that.

He was consistent and actually got better as the year went on last year. He knew his coach was going to get the axe and that he just got his payday. Nonetheless he played through injuries and made his prescribed weight. Mangini had Kris Jenkins last year who ballooned to 400 lbs at one point prior to his trade to the Jets. Guess what Jenkins playing weight is? 349 lbs. Rogers the same.

So why the pickle up managements behind all of a sudden? A cheap owner trying to get money back on a guy that he knew what he was getting when trading for. There are weight clauses in his contract anyways. Now they're trying to finaggle through other methods? This guy was awesome last year and adhered to everything they asked of him. Now they want to ignore the dude and indirectly sanction unnecessarily tougher weight provisions on the guy after a pro bowl season? There's your reward Shaun for busting your butt for an underachieving team that had unstable management that you wouldn't have to answer to anyways. Go after Derek Anderson and Braylon Edwards. Those guys stunk last year and are making nice pay. They want to piss the man off and unload him for a 2nd I'll be waiting at the air port with my cattle prog and 53 footer to bring him on over to us. I want every bit of that 350 lb bear playing upfront on my d-line.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

ok...I guess those times I saw him on tv with three arses hanging out of his pants along with that gigantic blubber bulge pushing out his jersey was a mistake...yeah, he was in awesome shape...thats why he probably didnt play 50-60% of the teams snaps

doesnt matter what you think you saw according to the artcle

he was IN SHAPE ALL SEASON UNLIKE YOU SAID. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT

Joshua Gunter/ The Plain DealerShaun Rogers has asked for his release from the Browns.
Updated at 8:55 p.m.
CLEVELAND -- Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers has formally asked to be traded or released by the Browns and isn't likely to change his mind, a source close to Rogers said.

Browns coach Eric Mangini has been trying to call the disgruntled tackle, but it's not yet known if the two have talked. Chances are, it wouldn't do much good anyway.

A Browns souurce said neither Rogers nor his representative have made any demands. Mangini did not immidiately respond to a request to be interviewed.

Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.
Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 --Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.

The mandate angered Rogers because he was in compliance with his weight all last season.

What's more, he played on a sore knee much of the year and with a sore shoulder for most of the second half. He left one game with a neck stinger and returned, never missing any time because of the injuries.

Rogers came to Cleveland with a reputation for his weight ballooning in the second half of seasons, especially in 2007 when it was said that he ran out of gas. That never happened here. In fact, Rogers played some of his best ball down the stretch in 2008, despite the fact the Browns were out of the playoff hunt and in disarray.

Rogers is also upset that the team failed to reach out to him even after they knew he was miffed about the snubs and the weight issue. The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released.

Only now is Mangini trying to contact Rogers, and it may very well be too late.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, made it clear on Wednesday that Rogers' issues have nothing to do with money or his contract. In fact, he'd reportedly rather be released than earn the $15 million he's still owed, including a $6 million option bonus due next month.
The Browns would take a $9.7 million salary cap hit if they cut Rogers, according to NFl.com, but they have said they have no intentions of releasing him.

The unfortunate part -- for Rogers and the Browns --is that Rogers was rejuvenated in Cleveland and had a Pro Bowl season after virtually being run out of Detroit, where he was viewed as lazy and underacheiving. Rogers also rehabilitated his public image here. He was the best player the Browns had on defense last season and the cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.

It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime. For his part, Mangini has said he values Rogers highly, wants him on the team and never meant to snub or show disrespect to him. It's not known if the weight mandate came from Mangini or someone else.

 

[AKATheRake]

I dont doubt that alot of guys hate facing him. I am also not denying that when in decent shape and somewhat motivated that he's not a good to excellent player.

The problem is those things dont happen enough. And I have a serious problem trading pick/s for a guy like that.

I do get what you're saying about trading picks also. I don't like doing it either, especially with no 1st. But the simplest solution to our d-line would be to have Ratliff as DE. Whether he likes it there or not he'd be even more deadly. To do that we need a NT and d-line is our most glaring issue. Beyond safety, LB and the o-line. Regardless if Hatcher and Bowen are good depth.

If you can find me a NT that in the next 2 years will trump Shaun Rogers in this draft by all means I'll hold onto the 2nd rounder. If you can find me or anyone a man who naturally plays at 330 - 380lbs that doesn't have weight issues you should have Joe Juraseks job. Jerry would whisk you away like the wind. If we could get a guy like Rogers with our 2nd, sign Shawn Springs for secondary depth and leadership then I say we go SS and ILB with our 3rd rounders and best possible o-line and LB depth after that.

I'd think that would be a super offseason and gets us as close to roster completion as any team in the salary cap era. We just need Captain Cupcake and Ginger to right this ship. Believe me, our secondary and coverage all around would be better with this monster knifing the protection up the middle. Some serious collapsing of the pocket from all angles my firend. No Willis McGahee or that other scrub breaking runs like that especially with a backer who is big enough to tackle in the 3-4 scheme. He's worth the 2nd rounder and yes we'd have to keep on him. We've got a good conditioning coach that will do that.

 

[AKATheRake]

doesnt matter what you think you saw according to the artcle

he was IN SHAPE ALL SEASON UNLIKE YOU SAID. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT

Joshua Gunter/ The Plain DealerShaun Rogers has asked for his release from the Browns.
Updated at 8:55 p.m.
CLEVELAND -- Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers has formally asked to be traded or released by the Browns and isn't likely to change his mind, a source close to Rogers said.

Browns coach Eric Mangini has been trying to call the disgruntled tackle, but it's not yet known if the two have talked. Chances are, it wouldn't do much good anyway.

A Browns souurce said neither Rogers nor his representative have made any demands. Mangini did not immidiately respond to a request to be interviewed.

Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.
Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 --Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.

The mandate angered Rogers because he was in compliance with his weight all last season.

What's more, he played on a sore knee much of the year and with a sore shoulder for most of the second half. He left one game with a neck stinger and returned, never missing any time because of the injuries.

Rogers came to Cleveland with a reputation for his weight ballooning in the second half of seasons, especially in 2007 when it was said that he ran out of gas. That never happened here. In fact, Rogers played some of his best ball down the stretch in 2008, despite the fact the Browns were out of the playoff hunt and in disarray.

Rogers is also upset that the team failed to reach out to him even after they knew he was miffed about the snubs and the weight issue. The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released.

Only now is Mangini trying to contact Rogers, and it may very well be too late.

Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, made it clear on Wednesday that Rogers' issues have nothing to do with money or his contract. In fact, he'd reportedly rather be released than earn the $15 million he's still owed, including a $6 million option bonus due next month.
The Browns would take a $9.7 million salary cap hit if they cut Rogers, according to NFl.com, but they have said they have no intentions of releasing him.

The unfortunate part -- for Rogers and the Browns --is that Rogers was rejuvenated in Cleveland and had a Pro Bowl season after virtually being run out of Detroit, where he was viewed as lazy and underacheiving. Rogers also rehabilitated his public image here. He was the best player the Browns had on defense last season and the cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.

It appears now that Rogers would rather play elsewhere than deal with the new regime. For his part, Mangini has said he values Rogers highly, wants him on the team and never meant to snub or show disrespect to him. It's not known if the weight mandate came from Mangini or someone else.

Management in Cleveland is out to lunch. I doubt it's even Mangini pulling this anyways. Like I said earlier, he had Kris Jenkins playing last year at 349 and as we know the same exact position in the same exact defensive scheme. Mangini and Crennel have almost identical 3-4's also.

Someone is obviously trying to perturb the big man and they got him exactly where it's been hurting him since grade school. His weight, when he was being a good boy with it last year too.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

Management in Cleveland is out to lunch. I doubt it's even Mangini pulling this anyways. Like I said earlier, he had Kris Jenkins playing last year at 349 and as we know the same exact position in the same exact defensive scheme. Mangini and Crennel have almost identical 3-4's also.

Someone is obviously trying to perturb the big man and they got him exactly where it's been hurting him since grade school. His weight, when he was being a good boy with it last year too.

Yeah youre right something is definitely fish about that

they call him out on his weight the yr he he finally stayed in shape all yr and had argueable his best season as a pro. just doesnt make sense to me

then mangini comes in and acts as if he didnt even know rogers the best defensive player on the browns, was on the team? weird. how do you not know who the teams pro bowl dt is

i totally agree with youre ide when it comes to draft picks. everyone is going ron brace crazy here. but to me he is no where the monster rogers is. id we could do better in the 2nd then rogers then by all means go get whoever at dt. but if not then why not trade it for a rogers who is a known pro bowl caliber dt. when you draft you never know what youre gonna get, rogers is a proven player in this league

 

[AKATheRake]

Yeah youre right something is definitely fish about that

they call him out on his weight the yr he he finally stayed in shape all yr and had argueable his best season as a pro. just doesnt make sense to me

then mangini comes in and acts as if he didnt even know rogers the best defensive player on the browns, was on the team? weird. how do you not know who the teams pro bowl dt is

i totally agree with youre ide when it comes to draft picks. everyone is going ron brace crazy here. but to me he is no where the monster rogers is. id we could do better in the 2nd then rogers then by all means go get whoever at dt. but if not then why not trade it for a rogers who is a known pro bowl caliber dt. when you draft you never know what youre gonna get, rogers is a proven player in this league

Couldn't have said it any better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I can't see a better option for our 2nd if Rogers is available. That's the only grey area here for me when it comes to Rogers. Is he available?

 

[CATCH17]

Couldn't have said it any better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I can't see a better option for our 2nd if Rogers is available. That's the only grey area here for me when it comes to Rogers. Is he available?

So his committment and attitude wouldn't be an issue for you?

He is the poster boy for the type of player Dallas should stay away from.

A highly talented idiot.

 

[AKATheRake]

So his committment and attitude wouldn't be an issue for you?

He is the poster boy for the type of player Dallas should stay away from.

A highly talented idiot.

Well, if you compare him to Kris Jenkins they're pretty much identical personality wise. If you compare them both to Haynesworth I'd consider them less volatile and half the price with a little less the talent. Seen alot of Haynesworth votes around these parts before he became the $100 million man. Did Albert not get your vote?

But to specifically answer your question I definitely would keep a tight leash on this guy and put heavy provisions in his contract. He already has them in his current contract and he was a real good boy last year. Only guys this size and talented that haven't operated a little funny in this league are Vince Wilfork and Casey Hampton. Even Casey had a bit of a time. When you're this big, bad and talented you're gonna be a little strange.

He clearly outplayed his rookie contract in Detroit right off the bat and they never wanted to reward him with a new deal. Not making excuses but in his 3rd year he started getting a little narly. Every year it got worse because he was playing hardball with him. Even our RW11 had contract issues over there. Instead of showing up out of shape he sat out for basically any injury he could make a dcent stink about. Anyways, this is what players do over the money, their agents even push them too at times.

So yes, any of these monsters we have mentioned have attitudes that would concern me. Anyone who lets themself get to over 300 lbs would concern me mentally. The thing is, these large overweight men have a place in this league. Keep on the guy about his weight but dont drop the guy from 350 to 315 and tell him he's gonna get fined when that's the only time you acknowledged him since you joined the team. Listen, these guys are only as good as their last season, last game. This guy was all that and a bag of chips last year. Maintained his agreed to weight, played through injuries, kept positive on a horrendous team, made plays while being 1 of their few assets and never through a "walking dead" coaching staff under the bus. How many of the clowns we have here can say that about themselves last season.

You guys are looking at 2-3 years ago, no problem and rightfully so. Told you, he outplayed his contract and the Ford's drain you out plus the franchise tag on any contract they get you on. I also will look the 2-3 years before that where he and Kris Jenkins were the best DT's in the league. I'll also look at last year were he was still one of the best. I think he had 1 off the field encounter in his whole career and that was taken care of years ago and never resurfaced. Not saying th guys a choir boy but you guys won't find any 350 lb choir boys in this league or any other. So that's what I'm saying. I think I've been saying it a few posts now.