trade the Boys#1 for Carr?

[WoodysGirl]

Yeah, I think it's due March 1st. So by March 2nd we will know if the Texans are going to keep him or not.
My gut tells me he is staying and they are drafting Reggie Bush when he declares.

Houston is picking up the option. Reported yesterday.

 

[TLW47]

Houston was given a ton of extra draft picks to get the franchise started and they have done a poor job of using them.

Yea and they STILL act like they started with guys off the street down here. I thought the NFL was very generous with draft choices when they started up but their fans think they weren't.

I don't like Carr. He still throws side armed, he still makes stupid decisions and it's obvious he's regressing rather than progressing. He also is a bit cocky like another poster said. I think he'd probably love a change of address but I bet they pick Bush and keep Carr. Vince would pack that stadium even if they didn't win a game but they'll pick Bush. I think Vince will end up with the Titans. IF he declares that is.

 

[joseephuss]

Yea and they STILL act like they started with guys off the street down here. I thought the NFL was very generous with draft choices when they started up but their fans think they weren't.

I don't like Carr. He still throws side armed, he still makes stupid decisions and it's obvious he's regressing rather than progressing. He also is a bit cocky like another poster said. I think he'd probably love a change of address but I bet they pick Bush and keep Carr. Vince would pack that stadium even if they didn't win a game but they'll pick Bush. I think Vince will end up with the Titans. IF he declares that is.

I like Carr better now than when he was coming out of college. I didn't think he was worth the first overall pick. Of course, how many players really have been worth that? I thought he would be a decent QB, but nothing special. After watching him for 4 years in Houston, I still think he will be a decent QB. I admire his toughness. I wouldn't mind Dallas giving him a chance. I just don't see him being worth a 1st round draft pick or even a 2nd. That is just too high a price.

The MSRP on Carr is low right now. Why over pay for him? Although it is reported Houston will pick up his $8 million dollar bonus, there is still a possibilty they change their minds and release him. March is going to be an interesting time of year.

 

[Doomsday101]

Houston was given a ton of extra draft picks to get the franchise started and they have done a poor job of using them.

I agree. The Texans have done a poor job in FA and the draft.

 

[TLW47]

You should hear the sports talk radio down here in the Houston area.

It's changed from "draft Reggie" to "draft Vince".

Vince is from Houston and he's already the hometown darling and deservedly so.

Last week prior to the Rose Bowl I didn't hear one caller say anything but take Bush.

All this depends on Vince though. My feeling is he goes back to Texas for his senior year.

Carr's favorite team growing up was the Cowboys. He said when he was drafted by the Texans he burned all his Cowboys stuff and he hates them now. Prior to this year I would have loved to have him come to the Cowboys. I pretty much now think he's just a busted draft choice.

 

[kartr]

Yea and they STILL act like they started with guys off the street down here. I thought the NFL was very generous with draft choices when they started up but their fans think they weren't.

I don't like Carr. He still throws side armed, he still makes stupid decisions and it's obvious he's regressing rather than progressing. He also is a bit cocky like another poster said. I think he'd probably love a change of address but I bet they pick Bush and keep Carr. Vince would pack that stadium even if they didn't win a game but they'll pick Bush. I think Vince will end up with the Titans. IF he declares that is.

Yeah, I've watched Carr too, looks like Jane and plays like Jane. He is so overrated and many of the locals think so too. They'd be willing to give Carr to us for a cup of coffee.

 

[kartr]

He will be solid on another team. I've already heard that the Texans aren't going to pick up the option on Carr. They may be going after Vince Young. I think he can be a good player in the right scheme, and I would have liked him a year or two ago, for a 2nd or 3rd, but I'd like to see Bledsoe get a little more time to try and finish his career as a super bowl champion.

Carr is a tease just like Bledsoe, they both hold the ball too long and put too much pressure on the offensive line. Neither one is going to ever win anything. Most Houston fans don't want Carr just the way Pats and Bills fans don't want Bledsoe back.

 

[superpunk]

Kartr,

Maybe this offseason we can pull a trade for Quincy Carter. Which team does he play for again?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Carr is a tease just like Bledsoe, they both hold the ball too long and put too much pressure on the offensive line. Neither one is going to ever win anything. Most Houston fans don't want Carr just the way Pats and Bills fans don't want Bledsoe back.

I would take David Carr in a heartbeat...

Part of his failures can be traced back to the busted trade for Tony Boselli imo.

I dont think he was sacked the most times in NFL history, soley because he holds the ball too long.

- Mike G.

 

[joseephuss]

I would take David Carr in a heartbeat...

Part of his failures can be traced back to the busted trade for Tony Boselli imo.

I dont think he was sacked the most times in NFL history, soley because he holds the ball too long.

- Mike G.

Sure, the line deserves most of the blame for the sacks, but that doesn't make Carr worth a 1st rounder. He deserves an opportunity, but not for that price.

It wasn't a true trade for Boselli. Houston claimed him from Jacksonville in the expansion draft. Everything that I have read about Boselli was that Houston and Jacksonville came to a gentleman's agreement. Jacksonville said if Houston took Boselli off their hands, then the Jags would keep Gary Walker on the expansion list for Houston to take as well. Houston knew that there was a good chance that Boselli would not be able to come back from his shoulder injury, but if he was, they would be set at left tackle. They had to make some kind of plans to deal with the possibilty that Boselli would not be around and they didn't.

Why can they put guys knees back together, but they could not put Bosellis shoulder back together?

 

[DLCassidy]

My take:

Vince Young WILL come out.

Houston WILL draft him.

Houston WILL trade David Carr.

No way do they get a first for him. Probably a mid 2nd would do it.

You'd only make this move if you're the Cowboys if you plan to dump Drew Bledsoe. Carr is not going to be an affordable or willing backup. His salary is double Bledsoe's.

Anything's possible but I think the Cowboys were generally pleased with what they got from Bledsoe so I'd rate the odds of this happening as low.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Sure, the line deserves most of the blame for the sacks, but that doesn't make Carr worth a 1st rounder. He deserves an opportunity, but not for that price.

In your eyes he is not worthy of one, in mine he is...which doesnt make either one of us right .

From what I heard from about Boselli was that after he retired, the Houston Texans kind of felt like they were sold a bill of goods. I dont know any of the ground rules for the acquistion, I dont know anything about gentleman's agreements and handshake, I do know after he retired, I heard the Texans felt like they were not given the facts about how serious he is shoulder injury was.

"IF" Bledsoe is not on the roster and I think the Cowboys would not use a 1st round Pick on any QB the 2006 Draft, I could possibly be talked into giving up a number one for him. You could possibly get him for a round 2 pick, which I would jump on in a heartbeat.

I still think he has something.

But man, sacked 208 times in a span of 4 years....like some of hispanic friends say....Hijole!!!

- Mike G.

 

[NovaCowboy]

You think a 1-15 team is better than an expansion team that had at least 3-4 Pro Bowlers on their roster and numerous extra draft picks?

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Why yes I do.

That 1-15 team won the superbowl three years later. What have the Texans with their 3-4 pro bowlers and nemerous extra draft picks accomplished?

 

[AbeBeta]

My take:

Houston WILL trade David Carr.

Carr is due an 8 million $ roster bonus -- this is due next month and the Texans have indicated they will pay it. Now maybe if Young comes out they change their minds. If so, they could either a) trade Carr in April or May -- and eat that 8 million on their cap or b) cut him and save the 8 million.

Me, I don't think they are going to have a ton of offers and can't see anyone giving up a first day pick that is not conditional. Teams would be looking at the guy as a backup to develop. The Texans need to ask -- is a 2nd day pick worth 8 million in cap space?

 

[joseephuss]

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Why yes I do.

That 1-15 team won the superbowl three years later. What have the Texans with their 3-4 pro bowlers and nemerous extra draft picks accomplished?

I am confused. It is not where both teams started, but where they ended up. I would say the 1-15 Cowboys were very comparable to the first year Texans. Dallas made changes and obviously got better. Houston has made poor decisions and got worse. I think the Texans had the same opportunities to build a good team that Dallas had at the time. They haven't.

 

[Native Born Fan]

i know im probably gonna killed for this but, no ones brought it up, trade our pick @ 18 for a guy who knows nothing about baseball(lol).A player who has seen the worst o-line in the business and maybe something transpires. He has an arm, young for the future, and he wont have to move very far.

:toast: In a heartbeat.

 

[NovaCowboy]

I am confused. It is not where both teams started, but where they ended up. I would say the 1-15 Cowboys were very comparable to the first year Texans. Dallas made changes and obviously got better. Houston has made poor decisions and got worse. I think the Texans had the same opportunities to build a good team that Dallas had at the time. They haven't.

I think they were comparible but ultimately I think that 1-15 had a much brighter future (obviously) and were on the fast track to really becoming something special.

 

[uberfan]

Kind of like Bledsoe in that regard.

Our O line is a little better and certainly we have a better chance of improving ours.
they have shown no sign of improvement for 4 years. So he would have better protection here. How much damage all those hits - that is another story. BUT he has missed very few games, if any, that I can recall, so he is very tough. Something to think about.

 

[uberfan]

I agree. The only way it would makes sense financially is if the signing bonus could be renogotiated into the following year when there would not be a cap hit.

Carr is due an 8 million $ roster bonus -- this is due next month and the Texans have indicated they will pay it. Now maybe if Young comes out they change their minds. If so, they could either a) trade Carr in April or May -- and eat that 8 million on their cap or b) cut him and save the 8 million.

Me, I don't think they are going to have a ton of offers and can't see anyone giving up a first day pick that is not conditional. Teams would be looking at the guy as a backup to develop. The Texans need to ask -- is a 2nd day pick worth 8 million in cap space?

 

[kartr]

I would take David Carr in a heartbeat...

Part of his failures can be traced back to the busted trade for Tony Boselli imo.

I dont think he was sacked the most times in NFL history, soley because he holds the ball too long.

- Mike G.

What's behind the 'holds the ball too long' label for most qb's is an indicator that they don't see the field well enough to tell when it's time to go to their secondary reads. This comes from the locals there that watch him all the time. I've also seen him just panic and throw the ball up for grabs even when he's not pressured. He did that twice against the Jets last year in one half and the game was close.