Trading For the 1 Overall Pick to Get the QB: Would You Do It?

[kskboys]

So the supplemental draft was the first overall pick. Do you understand what supplemental means? How can a second draft after the first one, be the first overall pick?

Please go ahead and name the other 10.

Because the rights for the player drafted starts over. The player was not passed over by every NFL team.

 

[kskboys]

A lot of people poo poo the idea of trading away 3 #1s but even if the QB ends up being a bust teams recover pretty quickly.
People act like it sets a team back 10 years. Without risk there is no reward.

Not having a QB sets you back even further.

 

[blueblood70]

I didn't say I would do it for sure.

At this point, no prospect is worth it right now. However, there is a full season of college football still to play and it's not impossible for one of these guys to really separate and have an elite season.

I would only do it if the guy was the next potential John Elway or Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning. He would have to be the prototypical NFL quarterback with the size, speed, arm strength, accuracy, leadership, etc.

It wouldn't be like 2023 where the top drafted QB's all had one issue or another.

If there was no worthy QB for the #1 overall pick then this is what I would do:

I would let Dak play out his contract in 2024. I would extend Trey Lance and move up as far as I could in the 2025 draft without giving up any more 1st round picks except the one that season. I night give up the 3rd also and next season's #2 pick if there was someone I really liked in the top 3rd of the 1st round.

I would allow Trey to compete with this rookie 1st round pick. Once I determined the best option for the Cowboys future, I would trade the other.

There is a couple of concepts at play. Competition brings out the best and never put all your eggs in one basket.

History tells us that the higher you move up in the daft, the more likely you will find that SB quarterback.....unless you found a way to clone Tom brady.

Fine and just use part of my reply that says there's no way I do it unless we are already in the top ten you cannot mortgage 3 drafts to move up and get a player you're unsure about you have to be within striking distance if the Cowboys are any good this year and they're picking from the 20s you're not doing that it doesn't make sense for this Cowboys team what makes total sense is what people don't want just pay Prescott then pay lamb and let's just move forward whether you like the man or not Prescott's the best option looking two years down the road they're just no good options

because the alternative here if Prescott walks is you cannot sign lamb and Parsons it makes no sense you literally need to trade lamb Parsons diggs and then get rid of Martin and tank and make some wholesale changes and let's just start over and that's not gonna be moving up to the top two spots to get a quarterback that would be let's see what Trey Lance has go get a mid level guy and use the draft picks to build the best team possible in the run game in the trenches and that way you can at least have a shot and I don't know if the Jones family could do this of having such a great team you can cover up your deficiencies at quarterback but that's almost impossible in this league...

 

[Hadenough]

Not having a QB sets you back even further.

Playing it safe will never win you anything. It's like playing not to lose.

 

[plasticman]

So the supplemental draft was the first overall pick. Do you understand what supplemental means? How can a second draft after the first one, be the first overall pick?

Please go ahead and name the other 10.

I already named the others.

This was a special supplemental draft that allocated players that would have been eligible for the regular draft but signed with the new USFL team. Three of the first four picks in this supplemental draft are in the Hall of Fame.

Not only was Steve Young the first pick in the supplemental draft, it was generally accepted that he would have been first in the regular draft had he not signed a USFL contract.

They were obviously correct, no other QB in NFL history led the league in passing for six seasons.

 

[Chasing6]

I already named the others.

This was a special supplemental draft that allocated players that would have been eligible for the regular draft but signed with the new USFL team. Three of the first four picks in this supplemental draft are in the Hall of Fame.

Not only was Steve Young the first pick in the supplemental draft, it was generally accepted that he would have been first in the regular draft had he not signed a USFL contract.

They were obviously correct, no other QB in NFL history led the league in passing for six seasons.

Sure I understand that. How are they all the overall number 1 pick?

 

[OGSixshooter]

If I had a top 5 pick next season I don’t even think I take a QB even if Dak leaves.

LOL..shocker!!! Even if Dan Marino and Joe Montana reborn were on the board, you're taking Dak....smh...

 

[Chasing6]

LOL..shocker!!! Even if Dan Marino and Joe Montana reborn were on the board, you're taking Dak....smh...

Your DDS is so bad you can't read properly.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Your DDS is so bad you can't read properly.

At all lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL..shocker!!! Even if Dan Marino and Joe Montana reborn were on the board, you're taking Dak....smh...

Reread my post again and jerk reading it until you understand it lol.

 

[JoeKing]

What kind of future?

If it is anything like he past, then pass the paperwork, I'm signing the mortgage.

Besides, that QB will be my present and my future. I'll just pretend we drafted another Taco Charlton and Mazi Smith the next two drafts.

Again, I'm assuming an available prospect that is worth it, the Aikman/Manning/Luck/Burrow type.

You think you know the future; that it will be so bad? Conflating the future as being like the past is presumptuous on your behalf and I believe extremely foolish. Your present QB has proven he should not be your future QB so it's ridiculous to call him that.

 

[plasticman]

You think you know the future; that it will be so bad? Conflating the future as being like the past is presumptuous on your behalf and I believe extremely foolish. Your present QB has proven he should not be your future QB so it's ridiculous to call him that.

I don't know the future. Nobody does. However, I can make some pretty strong assumptions based on certain facts. We all do this.

For example, I can say with some pretty strong conviction that Dak isn't going to be playing football forever. Someday, the Cowboys will need a new starting quarterback.

As far as conflating the future with past, predicting trends is always going to be fallible, conditions are never going to be exactly the same. In the NFL there are rule changes and coaching trends that change the roles and importance of certain positions.

Right now, RBs are trending down while slot receivers have been very popular lately. We see very few 2RB-2WR-1TE offensive formations these days. There was a time when the 1RB-2WR-2TE was far more popular. The trend today seem to be the 1RB-3WR-1TE sets.

I see no reduction in the demand for mobile and accurate quarterbacks with the ability to read defenses, followed by a quick release. Obviously, as I have shown, the higher you draft a quarterback, the higher the productivity....generally speaking.

Again, there are exceptions to the rule, from Tom Brady to Ryan Leaf but not with enough frequency to invalidate this rule.

I have also admitted that it is a risk, it will always be. I have also claimed that I would not take this risk unless the QB showed the type of potential that Elway or Aikman or Manning had entering the draft.

There is no absolute formula. There is always the possibility of devastating injury, coaching conflicts, etc.

 

[JoeKing]

I don't know the future. Nobody does. However, I can make some pretty strong assumptions based on certain facts. We all do this.

For example, I can say with some pretty strong conviction that Dak isn't going to be playing football forever. Someday, the Cowboys will need a new starting quarterback.

As far as conflating the future with past, predicting trends is always going to be fallible, conditions are never going to be exactly the same. In the NFL there are rule changes and coaching trends that change the roles and importance of certain positions.

Right now, RBs are trending down while slot receivers have been very popular lately. We see very few 2RB-2WR-1TE offensive formations these days. There was a time when the 1RB-2WR-2TE was far more popular. The trend today seem to be the 1RB-3WR-1TE sets.

I see no reduction in the demand for mobile and accurate quarterbacks with the ability to read defenses, followed by a quick release. Obviously, as I have shown, the higher you draft a quarterback, the higher the productivity....generally speaking.

Again, there are exceptions to the rule, from Tom Brady to Ryan Leaf but not with enough frequency to invalidate this rule.

I have also admitted that it is a risk, it will always be. I have also claimed that I would not take this risk unless the QB showed the type of potential that Elway or Aikman or Manning had entering the draft.

There is no absolute formula. There is always the possibility of devastating injury, coaching conflicts, etc.

I can say with near certainty that Dak will not do enough to save his job for 2025. I can also say with near certainty that Trey Lance will do well enough in the preseason to get himself a Cowboys extension and be the starter in 2025.

I see our O-line situation improving greatly and thus our running game improving. The aerial attack by this team will always be good, even when Trey takes over.

 

[plasticman]

I can say with near certainty that Dak will not do enough to save his job for 2025. I can also say with near certainty that Trey Lance will do well enough in the preseason to get himself a Cowboys extension and be the starter in 2025.

I see our O-line situation improving greatly and thus our running game improving. The aerial attack by this team will always be good, even when Trey takes over.

I think the only way Dak can save his job is take a salary reduction on his next contract. The future is more about Lamb and Parsons.

Dak will be 31 by the end of this month which means that he would start the first year of any new contract at the age of 32. Even a Super Bowl championship in 2024 won't get him a contract with that kind of money.

You just can't pay someone with maybe 2 good years left that kind of money. I just don't see how you can keep all three and then get ready to pay Bland, Smith and Ferguson. The Cowboys could pick up some really good players with the difference between Dak's salary and Lance's or, even better, a rookie salary.

Lamb and Parsons both just turned 25 this spring. They are the future. I like Dak, I think he had a great career here, statistically. Really, it seems like the one and only thing he didn't achieve with the Cowboys was his primary goal in the eyes of their fans.

For most Cowboys fans, team records and individual achievements are the means to an end. If that end is not achieved then those impressive stats do nothing more than remind fans of what should have happened but didn't.

 

[JoeKing]

I think the only way Dak can save his job is take a salary reduction on his next contract. The future is more about Lamb and Parsons.

Dak will be 31 by the end of this month which means that he would start the first year of any new contract at the age of 32. Even a Super Bowl championship in 2024 won't get him a contract with that kind of money.

You just can't pay someone with maybe 2 good years left that kind of money. I just don't see how you can keep all three and then get ready to pay Bland, Smith and Ferguson. The Cowboys could pick up some really good players with the difference between Dak's salary and Lance's or, even better, a rookie salary.

Lamb and Parsons both just turned 25 this spring. They are the future. I like Dak, I think he had a great career here, statistically. Really, it seems like the one and only thing he didn't achieve with the Cowboys was his primary goal in the eyes of their fans.

For most Cowboys fans, team records and individual achievements are the means to an end. If that end is not achieved then those impressive stats do nothing more than remind fans of what should have happened but didn't.

I agree with every word I just read. Lamb will get his extension during training camp and Parsons won't get an extension until 2025.

 

[Kwyn]

There doesn't seem to be a clear choice for the best QB prospect in next year's draft. There is no Elway or Aikman, or Manning. There is no "generational savior". The pro football analysts draft gurus seem split between three college players.

I know who the favorite is among most fans here. Of course, this will clear up at the end of next season.

My question is, could three 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick secure next year's #1 pick overall? If it could, would you be willing to make that trade?

Would you be willing to trade the Cowboys #1 picks for 2025, 2026, and 2027 plus the 2nd pick in 2025 for the 1st pick overall in the 2025 draft?

For the most part, the Cowboys do pretty good in the 1st round, 2023 draft notwithstanding. In fact, they may do too good. They are presently considering close to the max contract for two of the most recent to stay with the team.

If the Cowboys make the trade and get a QB, the Cowboys could set their future as well as alleviate some cap issues. They could sign both Lamb and Parsons with no problem. As for the #1 overall pick, it's the highest rookie contract but still a rookie contract It is still far, far lower than the alternative Dak contract.

Dak would play out his contract this season, Trey would be traded at some advantageous point. Rush may or may not stay, depending. He may even start a few games in 2025 before the #1 pick becomes the official starter. Realistically, the Cowboys could take some lumps that season.

The Cowboys wouldn't have a 1st round picks for two years but wouldn't that cash help contract negotiations for guys like Daron Bland, Tyler Smith, and Jake Ferguson?

The obvious question would be whether there is a worthy prospect once the dust settles from the 2024 college season. We know there are seasons when the #1 overall pick isn't even a quarterback. Since 2000 this has happened on an average of every four years, so it is possible. It's also possible that one of these quarterbacks separates himself from the rest and is a clear cut #1.

So....

Would you give up three #1's and a #2 for Shedeur Sanders?

How about Carson Beck from Georgia or Quinn Ewers from Texas?

#1 overall on trade value calculators is set at 3000 points.

If the picks we have are at 25 (we had 24 and 26 the last two years), three of those would be worth 2160 points.

So, it would take four 1st and a 3rd just to make the math work (3025 points)

Even if you could get someone to do that deal (they wouldn’t”, that’s pretty steep.

More likely you’d have to do all kinds of other moves to increase the value of the picks and no one is looking to give up anything good for picks 3 or 4 years away in any case.

It’s a fun exercise to dream about but it’s essentially impossible.