Trading up (early) has few success stories

[Staubacher]

thats been a pretty good trade hasn't it? Seems this would contradict the ops point

Julio Jones trade has hurt the Falcons overall. They pulled an old Jerrah move thinking they were one player away. In doing so their trenches have been depleted and they have been a pretty poor team the last couple of years. Jones is a good WR but Falcons fans here in Atlanta will tell you he disappears lot and is injury prone

 

[Jenky]

Julio Jones trade has hurt the Falcons overall. They pulled an old Jerrah move thinking they were one player away. In doing so their trenches have been depleted and they have been a pretty poor team the last couple of years. Jones is a good WR but Falcons fans here in Atlanta will tell you he disappears lot and is injury prone

1 player away? They really thought that? The Falcons haven't had a defense for 5+ years now.

Honestly I cant remember the last time ATL's defense was good.

 

[Galian Beast]

Why are we referencing the Claiborne trade when the Bryant and Jenkins trades are much more relevant to our draft position

I actually suggested that trades like the one we made for Bryant are in fact good trades that. It's okay to jump up a few spots in order to get the guy that you want. And that works out more often.

 

[Eddie]

I'm not a believer in trading multiple picks/players for a single pick/player. We've always lost big in those types of trades. Two firsts for Joey Galloway, a first and a third for Roy Williams, etc, etc. We don't win these trades.

 

[Galian Beast]

I was expecting to see some research to prove your point, but you're just rehashing old news with no new insight.

I mean the research I would posit isn't worth posting. Just look at the last decade or so of drafts, and look at the top 10 draft picks and look at the trades made to enter into this. If you can't take this on face value, you're more than welcome to look them up as well.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Sure, you have a few elite ones. But the rest are just good to average.

True of every position.

 

[Jenky]

True of every position.

It's not, but we can just disagree here.

IMO, there are more elite wideouts than there are elite corners.

 

[Galian Beast]

I would say if the OP is arguing that we dont trade into the Top 10 the Julio Jones trade is a much better example

I'm not saying you can't get a good or even great player. I'm saying that the cost involved is almost never worth it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

A few trades relevant to our draft position.

2007, Trading up for Spencer (36 to 26). Kevin Kolb, Stewart Bradley, CJ Gaddis

2008, Trade up for Mike Jenkins (28 to 25) Lawrence Jackson, Owen Schmitt, Brandon Coutu

2010, Dez Bryant, AOA, Sam Young (27 to 24) Devin McCourty, Taylor Price , AJ Edds

 

[darthseinfeld]

I actually suggested that trades like the one we made for Bryant are in fact good trades that. It's okay to jump up a few spots in order to get the guy that you want. And that works out more often.

Who is suggesting we move in to the top 5?

I think that would be universally accepted as a horrible. Even the Jews and Muslims would agree on thay

 

[Galian Beast]

Who is suggesting we move in to the top 5?

I think that would be universally accepted as a horrible. Even the Jews and Muslims would agree on thay

This isn't a reactionary post, rather an observation of poor practices. I do think some people think getting catalytic players is the answer, and that they are most easily obtained in the top 10 picks.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Doing a little bit of research (certainly not exhaustive), I've yet to see a team have a true success story where a franchise player that they traded up into the top 5 or 10 has catapulted them into the super bowl.

Emmitt Smith

 

[Clove]

It depends on whom you're moving up for. If it's Peyton Manning, you'd be an idiot not to move up.

Unfortunately, nothing's a guarantee. Sometimes you have to take chances. IMO, it just didn't work out. No harm no foul. You keep going and keep trying to get better. You'll hit on some and miss on some.
The one thing you must have though is a good coach. Without that, it doesn't matter who you pick.

Also, I've seen plenty of times where people missed on both the 1st and 2nd rounds, so who's to say we would have come out of that draft with a solid 1st and 2nd round? I had no clue who Claibourn was. I never study players anymore, it's pointless since more than likely we won't draft the player, plus, we have no say in who we're going to draft, it's our job to sit around and whine about the pick. But if Claibourn was a no brainer and you want him, go get him.

 

[Galian Beast]

Emmitt Smith

...

 

[KingintheNorth]

Hindsight is 20/20 but this defense needs bodies. I think Jerry gets impatient and with him having to be talked down from Johnny Football, he was anxious to move up and get Demarcus Lawrence. The Claiborne trade looks worse because Jerry hyped him as "highest grade since Deion" and stated that he was graded higher than his LSU teammate Patrick Peterson.

Claiborne added nothing to the defense and Lawrence has yet to offer much. I'm just not a fan of moving two high picks (3rd round or higher) for one player. I know we traded a 3rd to move up some and get Dez but we also got a 4th back. Dez was a spcial talent who had no business being available with the 24th pick.

I've said it before these two drafts and I'll say it again now, give me the 4 bodies.

2012 Draft
Mo Claiborne 2014 stats - 7 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT

Who it would have been (according to Stephen Jones):
Michael Brockers 2014 stats - 28 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 pass defended
Bobby Wagner 2014 stats - 94 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 passes defended

2014 Draft
Demarcus Lawrence 2014 stats - 8 tackles

Who it could have been (according to Chris in Arizona):
Kony Ealy 2014 stats - 11 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble
Will Sutton 2014 stats - 22 tackles, 2 passed defended

We'd have 3/4th of our D Line set for the foreseeable future and a beast linebacker in Wagner.

I know defenders of all things Jerry will say all teams can say this and they'd be right. I just hope this Front Office has learned from these two recent lessons as the team continues to attempt to improve this defense,

 

[yimyammer]

Julio Jones trade has hurt the Falcons overall. They pulled an old Jerrah move thinking they were one player away. In doing so their trenches have been depleted and they have been a pretty poor team the last couple of years. Jones is a good WR but Falcons fans here in Atlanta will tell you he disappears lot and is injury prone

Coincidentally, I'm reading War Room: The Legacy of Bill Belichick and the Art of Building the Perfect Team and I'm on the chapter where Thomas Dimitroff (the Atlanta GM) is about to discuss the rationale behind that trade, I'll report back if there's anything worthwhile.

Dimitroff is a Belichick disciple so its kind of odd he would commit so many resources to one player

 

[Staubacher]

Coincidentally, I'm reading War Room: The Legacy of Bill Belichick and the Art of Building the Perfect Team and I'm on the chapter where Thomas Dimitroff (the Atlanta GM) is about to discuss the rationale behind that trade, I'll report back if there's anything worthwhile.

Dimitroff is a Belichick disciple so its kind of odd he would commit so many resources to one player

Belichick advised against it according to online reports

 

[yimyammer]

It's not, but we can just disagree here.

IMO, there are more elite wideouts than there are elite corners.

I believe its because a larger number of the best athletes are drawn to the WR position (for $ & fame) and that leaves less talented athletes to play corner not to mention being hamstrung by the rules

 

[yimyammer]

Belichick advised against it according to online reports

He says so little publicly, thats hard to believe (I'm not challenging u), got any links

 

[Staubacher]

He says so little publicly, thats hard to believe (I'm not challenging u), got any links

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/26947/belichick-advised-against-julio-jones-trade