CFZ Trent Dilfer and 13 other guys

[SinceDayOne]

There have been 57 Super Bowl. Thirteen QBs have been on the winning team at least twice. These same 13 have been the winning QB on 36 of the 57 (63%). Also, in 42 of the games (74%) one of these 13 have been a starting QB. Six times both of the starters in the SB have been one of the 13. Some of them have won with rosters that differed quite a lot. At least three have won with different head coaches. Two have won with completely different NFL teams.

Point is the QB matters in the NFL. They matter a lot. That is why they are paid twice as much and more as any of the other players. That is why any college QB that show potential is going to get drafted early regardless of "red flags" in their resume. Many of the draftees end up being disappointments and even "busts." But every teams management is looking for the next "real thing."

Some fans look at stats like this and respond with something like, "Look at Trent Dilfer, yuck yuck." Dilfer stand alone ability as a QB was no where near "elite." He probably is one of the least talented QBs to start a SB. But he had some positives going for him also. His Ravens had a great defense...one of the top 5 or so in the SB era. They have a very good running attack. They had a coach who for that season understood what he had and how to use it. And he had Dilfer who listened to the coaches and managed the game like he was told. He never went rogue and tried to the the super hero QB. He filled his role and was a big part of a team that was at the right time/right place and all the parts worked.

If you can get the "elite" QB then your odds of winning go up. But it can be done sometimes with a Trent Dilfer type if everything else aligns perfectly (rare IMO).

 

[CATCH17]

The problem is paying the non elite QBs and trying to win a Super Bowl is nearly impossible.

The rookie QB contract is the biggest advantage in the NFL.

If a QB doesn’t win a Super Bowl on his rookie deal then it’s tough for them to win a Super Bowl once they get the mega deal.

 

[Nav22]

Eli Manning (x2), Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Matt Stafford... and those are just in the last 20 years or so.

You tried.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I felt like I was reading a math question on a standardized test.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Point is the QB matters in the NFL. They matter a lot. That is why they are paid twice as much and more as any of the other players. That is why any college QB that show potential is going to get drafted early regardless of "red flags" in their resume. Many of the draftees end up being disappointments and even "busts." But every teams management is looking for the next "real thing."

Of course they matter but fans confuse their expectation with that of the teams and/or coaches. NO team or coach expects their QB to carry them to the Super Bowl. It's an impossible standard but you do want a guy that can consistently win and get you to the postseason year after year. Find a QB doing this and he'll likely get you to a Super Bowl.

All the talk about trying to win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB on a rookie deal to save money is nonsense coz he still gets paid. NO team or coach is getting rid of a rookie QB leading them to a Super Bowl. You build around him and yes pay him market value........see Jalen Hurts.

But at the end of the day, ALL established STARTING QBS that can consistently win get paid. It's why Mayfield, Wentz and Winston are struggling to find a job and Goff, Carr, and Stafford are not.

 

[Motorola]

I felt like I was reading a math question on a standardized test.

Or a brain teaser.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The problem is paying the non elite QBs and trying to win a Super Bowl is nearly impossible.

The rookie QB contract is the biggest advantage in the NFL.

If a QB doesn’t win a Super Bowl on his rookie deal then it’s tough for them to win a Super Bowl once they get the mega deal.

The problem is laying the so-called winning the Super Bowl standard in the lap of the QB. Fans don't get it, QBs don't win Super Bowls, teams do that. There is a reason some of the greatest QBs to play this game has won only one and many of them have none. Hell, Peyton Manning was league MVP 5 times but only manage to win TWO Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

So now we're comparing Dak to Dilfer? What an insult ----------------------------- to Dilfer.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There have been 57 Super Bowl. Thirteen QBs have been on the winning team at least twice. These same 13 have been the winning QB on 36 of the 57 (63%). Also, in 42 of the games (74%) one of these 13 have been a starting QB. Six times both of the starters in the SB have been one of the 13. Some of them have won with rosters that differed quite a lot. At least three have won with different head coaches. Two have won with completely different NFL teams.

Point is the QB matters in the NFL. They matter a lot. That is why they are paid twice as much and more as any of the other players. That is why any college QB that show potential is going to get drafted early regardless of "red flags" in their resume. Many of the draftees end up being disappointments and even "busts." But every teams management is looking for the next "real thing."

Some fans look at stats like this and respond with something like, "Look at Trent Dilfer, yuck yuck." Dilfer stand alone ability as a QB was no where near "elite." He probably is one of the least talented QBs to start a SB. But he had some positives going for him also. His Ravens had a great defense...one of the top 5 or so in the SB era. They have a very good running attack. They had a coach who for that season understood what he had and how to use it. And he had Dilfer who listened to the coaches and managed the game like he was told. He never went rogue and tried to the the super hero QB. He filled his role and was a big part of a team that was at the right time/right place and all the parts worked.

If you can get the "elite" QB then your odds of winning go up. But it can be done sometimes with a Trent Dilfer type if everything else aligns perfectly (rare IMO).

It’s not just Dilfer….

Nick Foles, Eli Manning TWICE, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford….Cam Newton and Matt Ryan have made Super Bowls…Big Ben sucked early on in his career when Steelers won the first ring.

You don’t need a elite defense or s elite qb.

 

[SinceDayOne]

The point is a handful of QBs...elite types...are all over SB history. And NFL managers are obsessed with finding the next one in every draft or wherever.

But you can win with a less than elite guy if everything else aligns and things fall in place.

Stats tell us that it is more likely to happen with an elite guy HOWEVER......

 

[SinceDayOne]

And BTW this thread as far as I am concerned has nothing to with the current Cowboy QB or Craig Morton or Danny White or Tony Romo. It is about QBs who have won the SB...the elites and the Dilfer types.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Point is the QB matters in the NFL. They matter a lot.

It's the most important position in all of professional sports.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There have been 57 Super Bowl. Thirteen QBs have been on the winning team at least twice. These same 13 have been the winning QB on 36 of the 57 (63%). Also, in 42 of the games (74%) one of these 13 have been a starting QB. Six times both of the starters in the SB have been one of the 13. Some of them have won with rosters that differed quite a lot. At least three have won with different head coaches. Two have won with completely different NFL teams.

Point is the QB matters in the NFL. They matter a lot. That is why they are paid twice as much and more as any of the other players. That is why any college QB that show potential is going to get drafted early regardless of "red flags" in their resume. Many of the draftees end up being disappointments and even "busts." But every teams management is looking for the next "real thing."

Some fans look at stats like this and respond with something like, "Look at Trent Dilfer, yuck yuck." Dilfer stand alone ability as a QB was no where near "elite." He probably is one of the least talented QBs to start a SB. But he had some positives going for him also. His Ravens had a great defense...one of the top 5 or so in the SB era. They have a very good running attack. They had a coach who for that season understood what he had and how to use it. And he had Dilfer who listened to the coaches and managed the game like he was told. He never went rogue and tried to the the super hero QB. He filled his role and was a big part of a team that was at the right time/right place and all the parts worked.

If you can get the "elite" QB then your odds of winning go up. But it can be done sometimes with a Trent Dilfer type if everything else aligns perfectly (rare IMO).

great job of digging into these statistics.

Elite QBs help, but at any point, there is probably 3, at least 4 Elite QBs and the rest are good or really good QBs. and its more than Trent Dilfer who has been to superbowl and won it, so he is not an exception. Trent dilfer is probably the worst of the bunch (maybe).

Last year Hurts made it, he is not Elite, but he had great support around him. Grapolo took his team to the brink of a superbowl win against Mahomes. One could argue, Dilfer was better than him. Goff, Foles, Flacco, Kapernick, Eli, Grossman, Hasselbeck, McNabb, Delhomme, Gannon, Johnson, Collins, McNair Chandler, Bledsoe and a few more....none were elite, but they took their teams to superbowl and some won it couple of times (Flacco, Eli).

so what's my point? that you can get there and win it without having an Elite QB. its been done. its harder, of course. but its doable. even very recently some have been there and won it (Foles, Grapolo). Having an Elite QB hides a lot of warts, but having a good team is the pre-requisite. having the right defense, coach, scheme and talent on the team. so IMHO, its more than sometimes. its probably about 1/3 of the time that teams are in the superbowl with a non-elite QB.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I felt like I was reading a math question on a standardized test.

so what's the location when the two trains meet up?

 

[jazzcat22]

so what's the location when the two trains meet up?

High Noon, and it happens in Vegas this time for #58.

I am on the Cowboys train. Either we plow on through, or we crash and burn, again.

 

[Hadenough]

Eli Manning (x2), Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Matt Stafford... and those are just in the last 20 years or so.

You tried.

Not sure if you watched those QBs play but they stepped up their game in the playoffs.
Of course Dilfer rode the defense but the others performed well. Sure having a strong defense helps and it's a team game but Foles was playing like a possessed man and Eli was just in a zone. Those SB winning QBs were making plays and not turning the ball over. Dak is too inconsistent and can only find his zone against the NFC east.

 

[lkelly]

 

[CATCH17]

The problem is laying the so-called winning the Super Bowl standard in the lap of the QB. Fans don't get it, QBs don't win Super Bowls, teams do that. There is a reason some of the greatest QBs to play this game has won only one and many of them have none. Hell, Peyton Manning was league MVP 5 times but only manage to win TWO Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

I disagree..

The league has been built to make all these teams similar.

The QB and coaching is what gives teams an edge over the other.

If you don’t have the elite QB then building the team is more critical.

The problem is when you pay the non-elite QB you can’t build a good enough team to carry them which is why you shouldn’t be paying the non elite QB like they are elite.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not sure if you watched those QBs play but they stepped up their game in the playoffs.
Of course Dilfer rode the defense but the others performed well. Sure having a strong defense helps and it's a team game but Foles was playing like a possessed man and Eli was just in a zone. Those SB winning QBs were making plays and not turning the ball over. Dak is too inconsistent and can only find his zone against the NFC east.

stepped up or played better. they were what they were. it takes the right team and right support for a team to win with a non-elite QB.

and yes, turnovers have to stop. but this past year was out of character for turnovers for Dak. not sure the reasons behind it. but if you look at all these teams who went to post season success (minimally making it to the superbowl), their teams improved in the last half of the season (defense, offense). they go into playoffs with a momentum, but Cowboys tend to go the other way. our defense was dominant first half of season and was average in second half. our run game was average. our WR group was average and teams figured out our scheme and we struggled. we somehow have to have more momentum and play our better ball second half of the season.

 

[SinceDayOne]

I felt like I was reading a math question on a standardized test.

A lot of stats true. But it is best to know all the data before you comment. Always.