Trey Lance could be a star with Kellen Moore

The next Cowboys coach will be AT LEAST one of the following:
- completely desperate
- really stupid
- totally unqualified

Moore doesn't fit any of these so I don't think you have to worry about him coming here
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
this is true to a degree, but he was also moved to the 3rd stringer in SF and they brought in Darnold. if they didn't have patience and wanted to move forward, then why demote him to 3rd string and so quickly give up after having paid such a steep price to get him.

and then in Dallas, if he had any level of NFL talent, then he would have beaten out Rush this season. the fact that they didn't have confidence in even doing that, should tell us a lot. I mean, we were 3-5 and really bad, then why not put in Lance, and go with Rush?

the thing that intrigues people is always the same, he is athletic and can wow you with the athleticism. running ability. arm strength. but that's only 40% of NFL QB. how he understands the game, reads defenses, reacts, accuracy and where to go with the throws, etc. is 60% of it (give or take a few % points based on opinion). he hasn't shown any of the latter, thus the infatuation with Olympic ability is no longer reason to keep him.

he also has shown his ceiling is not that high. at best, he is a Geno smith. is that good enough reason to invest several years, time and money to end up with Geno smith and then complain we need better QB?

btw, I haven't seen him be much better. he looks the same as he did 3 years ago.
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Moved to 3rd string because of the trade to Dallas.

they even pulled him from practice that week .
 
KingCorcoran said:
Now that he’s healed when do you think the Cowboys will offer him a contract? He’s a free agent in 50 days.
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I can’t see KMoore not wanting to coach Lance.

and then realize what the expectations are for Lance.

QB2 who can start if needed.

and at 24yrs old, that works for Dallas.

If/When Dak declines and turns into Bledsoe, we have our next QB1 ready to go.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
this is true to a degree, but he was also moved to the 3rd stringer in SF and they brought in Darnold. if they didn't have patience and wanted to move forward, then why demote him to 3rd string and so quickly give up after having paid such a steep price to get him.

and then in Dallas, if he had any level of NFL talent, then he would have beaten out Rush this season. the fact that they didn't have confidence in even doing that, should tell us a lot. I mean, we were 3-5 and really bad, then why not put in Lance, and go with Rush?

the thing that intrigues people is always the same, he is athletic and can wow you with the athleticism. running ability. arm strength. but that's only 40% of NFL QB. how he understands the game, reads defenses, reacts, accuracy and where to go with the throws, etc. is 60% of it (give or take a few % points based on opinion). he hasn't shown any of the latter, thus the infatuation with Olympic ability is no longer reason to keep him.

he also has shown his ceiling is not that high. at best, he is a Geno smith. is that good enough reason to invest several years, time and money to end up with Geno smith and then complain we need better QB?

btw, I haven't seen him be much better. he looks the same as he did 3 years ago.
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I agree mostly yes. I don’t know what happened in San Francisco move the third string. He was injured. That’s where he should’ve been.
 
DuncanIso said:
He was traded to Dallas.
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I know that what’s the difference I think he has a great upside potential. He looks better every time I see him. And that’s what supposed to happen. His problem was he was thrown in the fire at 19/20 years old. There’s no way he was ready for the NFL San Francisco wanted the championship instantly they wasted his career.
 
GINeric said:
What's your opinion of the people here who claim to know more about evaluating NFL quarterback talent than NFL scouts, coaches and GMs?

Do you believe those GOOD people or THAT guy in the room really know more about evaluating NFL quarterback talent than NFL scouts, coaches and GMs?
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It's my opinion...that like every other human endeavor...even people that get paid can suck. And even people that sit on the couch are pretty darn good. It's not....black or white.

Hopefully, that is clear enough for you.
 
DuncanIso said:
I can’t see KMoore not wanting to coach Lance.

and then realize what the expectations are for Lance.

QB2 who can start if needed.

and at 24yrs old, that works for Dallas.

If/When Dak declines and turns into Bledsoe, we have our next QB1 ready to go.
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That’s all very colorful speculation. Nonetheless, Jerry has not signed Lance to a contract. “KMoore” has no experience with Lance. All he’d have is tape and the opinion of others. Moore is closer to being a head coach than Lance is to being a productive NFL player. I wouldn’t count on either happening any time soon.
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
It's my opinion...that like every other human endeavor...even people that get paid can suck. And even people that sit on the couch are pretty darn good. It's not....black or white.

Hopefully, that is clear enough for you.
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You're definitely entitled to your opinion, no doubt.....

But there is absolutely no human being sitting on their couch that could possibly know more about ANY profession than the professionals in THAT profession who have been doing it for years and in some cases decades.

I'm willing to bet all my savings and properties that the NFL has never hired an unexperienced fan on their couch to scout, coach or be a GM in a billion dollar business. With that said, I know for SURE that there isn't a person on this forum who knows more about evaluating NFL quarterback talent than NFL scouts, coaches and GMs....

UNLESS they are or have been on an NFL franchise in one of those positions. No couch potato fan could possibly know more than experienced professionals in that profession.

But I do respect that you didn't honestly answer the original question because you didn't want to make certain forum members look bad with the actual truth. I respect it.
 
GINeric said:
You're definitely entitled to your opinion, no doubt.....

But there is absolutely no human being sitting on their couch that could possibly know more about ANY profession than the professionals in THAT profession who have been doing it for years and in some cases decades.

I'm willing to bet all my savings and properties that the NFL has never hired an unexperienced fan on their couch to scout, coach or be a GM in a billion dollar business. With that said, I know for SURE that there isn't a person on this forum who knows more about evaluating NFL quarterback talent than NFL scouts, coaches and GMs....

UNLESS they are or have been on an NFL franchise in one of those positions. No couch potato fan could possibly know more than experienced professionals in that profession.

But I do respect that you didn't honestly answer the original question because you didn't want to make certain forum members look bad with the actual truth. I respect it.
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I get your "insider" perspective. It's amazing what goes on in..thngs...that if you aren't there you'd have no clue. For example...most people have little idea what it takes to make a big movie. Even top surface stuff like...what's a grip?

I do think if you've played high school and college football...you probably know quite a bit about things...especially big programs.

And...you don't have to be an astrophysicist to know NASA screwed up a few times. Might not know the corrected measurements, calculations, and re-engineering designs...but you know they eft it up but good.

I'm very sorry, I'm not aware of the question you said I dodged. I not only try to answer questions sincerely...but I value truth and clarity over agreement...applies to everyone and everything in my life...myself included as best as I can. What did you want to know?
 
leeblair said:
Moore was an exceptional quarterback, and was raised by a coach. His offensive mindset is one of understanding how to get the most out of the quarterback position, and he knows how to design plays that help receivers find weak spots in the secondary.
Trey Lance has all of the tools to be a NFL quarterback, and he shows that he can and that he wants to be successful.
Paired with Moore the Trey Lance trade might become one of Jerry's better decisions. Moore could utilize all of Trey's skills and make him into the next great quarterback of the Cowboys.
It could be a great fit.
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You actually believe that garbage? There was no time in history that Moore was an exceptional quarterback.
Moore was a nepo high school quarterback that had no business ever stepping in the NFL with a clipboard in his hand, let alone a football.
 
ak47kaehu said:
Don't pay Dak and use the money to surround Lance with a crap ton of talent would probably produce better results than Dak with mediocre talent around him......
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That ship sailed before this season started. Once he signed that contract, there is no more "Don't pay Dak." We are stuck with him, for better or worse. I don't have to like it, but I DO understand the reality of our situation.
 
ColoradoCowboy said:
That ship sailed before this season started. Once he signed that contract, there is no more "Don't pay Dak." We are stuck with him, for better or worse. I don't have to like it, but I DO understand the reality of our situation.
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Yeah I know......sucks.....
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
I get your "insider" perspective. It's amazing what goes on in..thngs...that if you aren't there you'd have no clue. For example...most people have little idea what it takes to make a big movie. Even top surface stuff like...what's a grip?

I do think if you've played high school and college football...you probably know quite a bit about things...especially big programs.

And...you don't have to be an astrophysicist to know NASA screwed up a few times. Might not know the corrected measurements, calculations, and re-engineering designs...but you know they eft it up but good.

I'm very sorry, I'm not aware of the question you said I dodged. I not only try to answer questions sincerely...but I value truth and clarity over agreement...applies to everyone and everything in my life...myself included as best as I can. What did you want to know?
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First of all, much respect to your post.

With that said... my question was, do you think that the specific poster here knows more about evaluating NFL quarterback talent than NFL scouts, coaches and GMs as they stated they do?
 
My whole thing with Lance and it was only one game and I'm glad he got it parents in the stands watch him then watch the brother play Montana St as NDSU beat them for the championship . What a program NDSU is holy smokes .

Lance fails to get Dallas in the end zone . Dowdle wide open . You can’t kick FG’s strictly and win . Accuracy is his biggest thing to work on . I’ve seen worst QB’s
 
Moore has Hurts who has Brown Smith Barkey Goedert and Hurts is hot & cold like a faucet . If you cut off his running lanes and pinch him in at the edges it goes a long way to containing .


KM fell into a situation of the best OL and OL coach in football and weapons galore … pairing him with Lance would be like sending him to Greenland .
 
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