Troy Williamson Video

[Dough Boy]

Sure doesn't look big. I PASS !

Just say you don't like him, but please stop making excusses... Its ok not to like a player. At first you didn't like his size, then you learn his bigger than Clayton.

 

[Crown Royal]

I can tell you this. I like Clayton, but Willimason has more of a celling. To say that Williamson is not a special talent is short sited. You don't have to down a guy to support someone else. I like Willimason more, but I'm willing to say that Clayton is a nice receiver.

In Clayton's video I say some Alabama, they are not good. I saw a lot Arkansas as you say, they are not good. I some some UCLA, they weren't that good. I saw some Mizzo and CU, neither were great schools. Also saw some Utah from last year. He is not tearing up great comp either.

Also, you see Clayton because South Carolina ran the ball more than throwing. Also, his video is from his Junior year. I would love to see his video from his Sr. year.

If I use your criteria, Clayton and Willimason are still comparable receivers.

I don't believe I downed Williamson. In my first post on the subject, I mentioned, as his first attributes, that he runs good routes and has steady hands. These are terrific attributes - one must catch before he runs.

However, I disagree on the ceilings. If he can't get a decent YAC in college, how will he do so in the NFL? As for running, OU did its share as well, with a guy named Adrian Peterson. Not as pass happy has they had traditionally been.

As for comparability, they are VERY comparable. here are their player pages:

Williamson
Clayton

Williamson seems to have had a good long reception against Georgia, and the owned Troy and Alabama. The rest of the season was above average for college. As for Clayton, he has had a more consistent career at OU, about the same numbers for last year, and equitable competition. But if you combine the stats with the 2 videos, I put Clayton a notch or two above Williamson, and would not draft Clayton until 20-32 anyhow, which would put williamson 2nd round.

 

[Crown Royal]

Actually I have liked Williamson for a while because of his speed along with his great hands. At 6-2 he can also out muscle some of the bigger DBs out there today. He is actually the third rated WR as I would rate them behind Williams and Clayton. I know...I just am not thrilled with Braylon Edwards. Just have one of those gut feelings about him.

At 6-2, I would like to THINK he could out muscle DBs, but judging from the video, I see no evidence of this. He goes down when someone reaches him and usually relies on his speed to out run them.

I can agree on Edwards, I just don't feel it there. I think that Michigan's traditionally pro system has served him well...

 

[jimmy40]

WR Troy Williamson from South Carolina......I got it from the Skins site......This kid can burn....Let me know what you think

I think his QB looked better than what I heard he was.

 

[joshjwp]

Some of you seem down on him after seeing this video. Let me point out he was in a running offense and only got 43 catches his senior year although he amassed 835 yards and 7 touchdowns. His entire career he only caught 91 balls because of the offense he was in. Therefore he doesn't have as many touches as Mark Clayton to pick highlights from.

Mark Clayton on the other hand got 66 catches his senior year but only got 876 yards off of them and 8 touchdowns. In his career he caught 220 balls. Thats a whole lot more to choose a highlight video from than 91.

Just my .02

 

[fishspill]

Looks a lot like Mark Bradley or Terrence Murphy. Could just be the size and speed though.

It's about hands, though. And I haven't seen enough of Murphy and Williamson to tell you how good those are.

 

[Crown Royal]

Some of you seem down on him after seeing this video. Let me point out he was in a running offense and only got 43 catches his senior year although he amassed 835 yards and 7 touchdowns. His entire career he only caught 91 balls because of the offense he was in. Therefore he doesn't have as many touches as Mark Clayton to pick highlights from.

Mark Clayton on the other hand got 66 catches his senior year but only got 876 yards off of them and 8 touchdowns. In his career he caught 220 balls. Thats a whole lot more to choose a highlight video from than 91.

Just my .02

Clayton was also in a running offense this season (Year of Peterson). This shows me that Williamson had the luxury of lining up against defenses that expected the run, but got burned by the few passes thrown a game.

Besides, if he is used to a running style offense, why would his game transfer into the NFL?

 

[Dough Boy]

I don't believe I downed Williamson. In my first post on the subject, I mentioned, as his first attributes, that he runs good routes and has steady hands. These are terrific attributes - one must catch before he runs.

However, I disagree on the ceilings. If he can't get a decent YAC in college, how will he do so in the NFL? As for running, OU did its share as well, with a guy named Adrian Peterson. Not as pass happy has they had traditionally been.

As for comparability, they are VERY comparable. here are their player pages:

Williamson
Clayton

Williamson seems to have had a good long reception against Georgia, and the owned Troy and Alabama. The rest of the season was above average for college. As for Clayton, he has had a more consistent career at OU, about the same numbers for last year, and equitable competition. But if you combine the stats with the 2 videos, I put Clayton a notch or two above Williamson, and would not draft Clayton until 20-32 anyhow, which would put williamson 2nd round.

Fair enough buddy. At least you are reasonable.

I still think Troy has higher celling, because of his size speed ratio. He can still add about 10 lbs to his frame without loss of speed. The only thing that scares me about Clayton, is he reminds me a lot of Josh Reed from LSU that won the Fred Belitnekok (sp) award a couple of years ago. His a Buffalo and is a bust in my mind. I had him in my fantasy league and he is a dud. He was a great YAC guy, b/c of his conversion from RB to WR at LSU. He was a great route runner, but struggles in the NFL.

 

[joshjwp]

Clayton was also in a running offense this season (Year of Peterson). This shows me that Williamson had the luxury of lining up against defenses that expected the run, but got burned by the few passes thrown a game.

Besides, if he is used to a running style offense, why would his game transfer into the NFL?

What does a running style offense matter to whether or not he can play in the NFL? If you ask me that means he can probably already block well for a receiver.

If you can run routes and catch, you can run routes and catch. If you are saying he needs the threat of a running game to get him open, I don't buy it, he is faster than Clayton and is bigger (harder to jam).

I'm not saying Clayton is bad, I think he will be a good, if not great receiver, but I would rather us get Williamson personally.

 

[Avery]

I liked Clayton's video a little more but Williamson looked like he had the speed to me. I'd be satisfied with either one though I think #11 is too high for him and #20 may be too low. I'd assume stick with #20 and draft Clayton rather than possibly move up for Williamson.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I wouldn't move up for anyone in this draft.

 

[irvin88]

Just say you don't like him, but please stop making excusses... Its ok not to like a player. At first you didn't like his size, then you learn his bigger than Clayton.

That's the first time I saw his highlights. I had no agenda. Just didn't look good.

 

[Dough Boy]

That's the first time I saw his highlights. I had no agenda. Just didn't look good.

No worries man.

 

[Natedawg44]

I don't know if anyone has any Mark Bradley highlights but him and Williamson look like very similar players with comparible upside and measurables. I'd like to see their highlights side by side.

 

[junk]

At 6-2, I would like to THINK he could out muscle DBs, but judging from the video, I see no evidence of this. He goes down when someone reaches him and usually relies on his speed to out run them.

I can agree on Edwards, I just don't feel it there. I think that Michigan's traditionally pro system has served him well...

Did you see the one handed grab with the CB basically holding his right arm? I actually thought that was the most impressive thing about the highlight video.

Someone in the draft section posted a snippet from Rob Rang comparing the two. I recommend reading it, I think he hits the nail on the head.

 

[Natedawg44]

Did you see the one handed grab with the CB basically holding his right arm? I actually thought that was the most impressive thing about the highlight video.

Someone in the draft section posted a snippet from Rob Rang comparing the two. I recommend reading it, I think he hits the nail on the head.

Im too impatient to wait what did it say is it a legit comparison?

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

He'll be a good receiver in the NFL......He has the speed and the size will come after he makes in in the NFL.....

Technically he already is big enough but everyone gains a couple their first season......

He'll go 9-15......

 

[jobberone]

He gets behind corners from second rate programs, and then gets caught. Wow, what blazing speed. He has good speed for 6-2, but he is no speed demon. He gets by them because he runs very good routes.

Obviously you don't know a great deal about him. He has had tremendous speed since HS and is considered the fastest WR in the draft. I'm not going to comment about his competition because there are too many variables even playing the same teams much less looking at different teams on different dates with differents QBs throwing to him yada. The facts are he's fast. You have to look beyond any video and know the complete story to judge him accurately.

As far as the second round, he may be better, but this video gives me NOTHING to put him in the first round. I see above average WR catching balls he SHOULD catch and not getting many YAC. I would take Clayton over him at 20 any day. If he is taken before 22, there is a reach.

If you are going to base your entire opinion about him based on looking at a video go ahead. I would use all the data I could although neither of us is being asked to render an opinion that will be used to select any players. Again you are in the vast majority of people who think he is a reach at 22 and does not deserve to be considered to be drafted in round one.

And if you claim this is a second rate video, I would feel even more justified in my contentions. For a highlight video, I sure would be afraid to see the lowlights.

The blue comments are mine.

I didn't bring up the video being poor but agreed it was a poor highlight film from many aspects. The video should not compell you to discount his entire career to date because it's second rate if that's your opinion. Nor do I feel you should or shouldn't base all your opinions on it; to the contrary.

Actually you can have your opinion any way you like it. I just disagreed with your analysis Williamson was a second rounder because of what you or anyone else decided based on the video or any "single glimpse".

Obviously many posters focused on different aspects of the video.

I didn't like the music.

But I do like the player somewhere in the top four WRs in the draft...in round one.

 

[jobberone]

I think his QB looked better than what I heard he was.

Dondrial Pinkins started the year and stunk it up. Svelle Newton came in and stunk it up. Pinkins is gone and Newton has been converted to WR by our new glorious leader...Stever Spurrier.

Williamson never had a QB at SC to highlight him. Neither did the offense.

Now the TEs and WRs are flocking to SC to play for Spurrier....too bad he still doesn't have a QB...yet.

 

[junk]

Im too impatient to wait what did it say is it a legit comparison?

Posted by chicago JK in the Draft Zone:

I figure this is a good place to put this. Here is a an answer from Rob Rang regarding Clayton and Williamson. Rob Rang is one of the better draft guru's out there from NFLdraftscout.com
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Williamson is a bit raw, but has such tools to work with. With time, he could be the top receiver from this class, but his immediate impact will be strictly as a big play specialist, not the guy who rely on for 3rd down and seven.

Clayton is what he is. He's a very good athlete, who makes himself a very good receiver with routes and hands. He should be a receiver who is capable of starting immediately and is exactly the type to get open on 3rd and seven, but three years from now Williamson, if he improves as he should, could be one of the real difference-makers in the league.

What you're really asking though is who would I take.

Allow me a stumbling analogy. If I have an average income and someone offers me an envelope guaranteed to be filled with $1,000 or five envelopes - four of which have $10 and one that has $10,000, I probably take the one that has the grand and go to Sizzler that night.

Therefore, if it was me, I'd take Clayton and be happy with the consistent, reliable production.