glimmerman
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Let’s hope the whole team is excited for the fresh start...
Gym shorts dosent always equate to a football player. Just ask John RandleWell, now I’m depressed. I had hopes for Gallimore. Maybe he can be a better player than Trystan due to mentality.
- It is comical that the majority of fans like or love the Gallimore pick but hated the Hill pick.
- Based strictly on game footage, they are very similar players in many ways.
- Both are very quick and projected as 3tech pass rushing type DTs but both played more snaps in college at the 1tech or 0tech spots.
- Both played somewhat opposite of the general style of players aligned at their positions (specific to their final college seasons).
- Gallimore played a 3tech pass rushing style while most often aligning as a 1tech.
- Hill was moved to 3tech in his final college season but played more of a 1 or 0 tech style.
It is comical because it's a made up narrative.One plays like his pants are on fire and the other one is known to be lazy and always plays like his grandma died 20 minutes before game time. What's comical about fans liking the first guy more?
Gallimore is known for his effort and Hill is known for his inconsistent effort. Effort makes a lot of difference to me.
The issue with where they drafted Hill was the off the field factor. Everyone said he wasn't motivated hence the reason they got absolutely nothing out of him but the Cowboys gambled anyway. It's nice they grabbed an interior linemen, but you just knew the Dline whisperer was behind it. Another part of the problem was he was their only answer after the Ram debacle besides the usual bottom feeder FAs. With Garrett and Marinelli here I no longer got too excited about the draft anyway. That's really the biggest difference between Gallimore and Hill.. A real HC finally! Hill still reeks of the previous regime.
Comparing Tomsula to Wade is like comparing Landry to Garrett, laughable.
Tomsula is best as DL coach, not DC and certainly not a HC.
New defensive coaches and style. Trysten has 1 year experience on Neville. Neville was drafted by the new regime though.
This will be an interesting battle to see who backs up McCoy and Poe.
I'm not writing Trysten off just yet.
None of Hill's coaches have said that he is not motivated. They've all said he is a "high motor" player and practices hard.
It is comical because it's a made up narrative.
All 3 D-Coordinators (2 from college and Marinelli) have said that Hill is a "high motor" player and that he practices hard.
The problem is that his first college coaching staff coached him to play the run as a priority but the 2nd college coaching staff and Marinelli wanted him to focus on pass rushing.
The 1st college DC played him as a run stopping 3-4 NT. That position requires a completely different mindset than playing as a 3tech DT, especially in Marinelli's scheme.
Hill's 2nd college coaching staff told him the 1st staff's way was wrong and he could never accept that the 2nd staff knew more than the 1st staff.
- The first staff did move upwards to a bigger college program and is indeed much more highly regarded.
The new Cowboys DC is likely to expect more of a play the run first mentality by the DTs as opposed to Marinelli's "play the run on the way to the QB concept".
New defensive coaches and style. Trysten has 1 year experience on Neville. Neville was drafted by the new regime though.
This will be an interesting battle to see who backs up McCoy and Poe.
I'm not writing Trysten off just yet.
New defensive coaches and style. Trysten has 1 year experience on Neville. Neville was drafted by the new regime though.
This will be an interesting battle to see who backs up McCoy and Poe.
I'm not writing Trysten off just yet.
Hey man, I'm not exactly on the against Hill bandwagon and I hope he becomes a useful member of the DLine, and has every shot to do so.
However using one specific sites rankings to make that point isnt fair. The guy was generally considered overdrafted.
I'll offer the opinion that the 20 draft was much deeper than the 19 draft, so the comparision is apples vs oranges.
Heck there are people out there that say Garrett was a great coach. We all have opinions, and that's the purpose of this forum, no?
But the fans here weren't buying it as a reach at the time.Well, as far as projected draft status, one was a steal and the other a reach.
Could be part of things.
What's not made up is that he looked like a total bust last year in the preseason. If it was possible to do less than nothing then he did. He was a total joke of a professional football player last year. I hope he turns it around but there is nothing comical about fans not liking him after his pathetic performances last season. I could care less about all the excuses you posted above. The bottom line is he didn't put the time and effort in to do what it took for him to be better. Maybe he will moving forward but I highly doubt it. Poor attitude and effort guys rarely change. They may for a short period but they almost always return to their old ways.
Want to see how Hill does with the new regime. Not writing him off yet either. Both he and Gallimore could be the new set of DT's in a few years, as McCoy and Poe move on.
- Fan Narratives
- I don't have any stake in Trysten Hill per se. I didn't advocate for them to draft him or anything of that nature and I'm not claiming they he will be good in 2020.
- My arguments are based on the comedy that is "fan narratives" where fans don't bother to get accurate details and don't care to consider them when presented.
- Fans generally just enjoy making statements based on "fan narratives" regardless of facts.
- Hill
- He looked like an average mid round rookie DT in the preseason.
- He looked OK in the limited snaps that he played in the regular season games but he played at 1tech not at 3tech where they drafted him to play.
- Again, no coach has said that he lacks effort or that he has a bad attitude.
- His only known transgression are:
- He got angry when the 2nd college Head Coach refused to let him transfer with the previous coaching staff.
- He fell asleep in a Cowboys meeting.
- Everything else is made up by fans/media.
The fact that people at CZ repeated something thousands of times does not make it true.
It's not "just some website". Its' the NFL website.
The NFL.com rankings are not perfect but they're not going to vary radically from the general consensus of draft media rankings.
NFL.com Relative to All Prospects
Hill: 62
Gallimore: 129
Brugler Relative to All Prospects
Hill: 91
Gallimore: 82
If Hill was "over-drafted" relative to general expectations it was by 1 round at the very most.
New defensive coaches and style. Trysten has 1 year experience on Neville. Neville was drafted by the new regime though.
This will be an interesting battle to see who backs up McCoy and Poe.
I'm not writing Trysten off just yet.
Hill was over drafted. Expectations too high for a guy that is a workout warrior but not a hard worker. Sleeping during meetings as a rookie 2nd rounder that can barely suit up is a really bad sign. Gallimore is the exact opposite in terms of makeup. It might be Hill’s last year in Dallas. I expect nothing from the guy.
The team in November was saying the opposite. Even Jerry called him out for "lollygagging"! Again I see the stink of the previous regime. So we'll see how he responds with the vets here and the new coaching. Hopefully we get to see that high motor soon.