Turner deal rumor and I would beat it

[CowboyMike]

The Chargers want draft picks not another runner. We have Pinnock from So. Carolina and Sproles from Kansas St. as back-ups. Plus we have a couple of guys who were over in Europe who could battle for the back-up position. If the Chargers bring in another runner, he would be drafted on the second day of the draft or undrafted like Jesse Chatman. Plus, the Chargers are probably angling for the middle of the 1st round or higher when they swap 1st round picks with other compensation (i.e., another first day draft pick).

I'm sorry but... Do you mind my asking why a Chargers fan is hanging out at a Cowboys board?

 

[jrumann59]

The same people touting Turners yards, remember the yads T-Ham had in relief of arguable the best back ever. Well Emmitt was run off to AZ and T-Ham avg'd what 3.5 yds a carry when the previous year he avg'd almost 5. So in closing I would rather lose out on JJ next off season then spend 2 picks this year for someone that may or may not be worth it. Remember Joey Galloway, that type of gamble pretty much guarantees turner is on the roster for the next 3-4 years and if he is worse then JJ where are we. There is something to be said, "A bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush", our known has better track record then there unknown.

 

[parchy]

Thats good enough for me.

Just cause JJ is a cowboy doesn't make him a very good player. Some of you need to take your silver and blue goggles off. If JJ was a Giant, a foreskin, or a Eagle, we would be laughing at him and the shoestring tackles that bring him down.

He's gone next year anyway, I say trade him to the Chargers plus a pick if they're willing to do it.

My erstwhile goggles, as it were, played no part in my analysis of the two. Michael Turner is a complete unknown as a part of a duo, let alone a feature back. Were he to get 250+ carries in a season playing with a guy in MBIII that isn't going to take any vertical pressure off him, he could be a guy that picks up less than 2-3 yards per carry.

A saint at the running back position JuJo is not. But he has a couple of 190+ yard performances under his belt, and that gives me reason to believe he's got a mountain of talent hiding under that Under Armor. Until I'm sure that his injuries (which have NOT been sympomatic of an "injury plagued" runner - there's a difference between being in the wrong places at the wrong times and being a fragile piece of china) and Bill Parcells' mind games are not the product of his misfortunes, I'm giving him chances.

Oh, and we have this guy named Marion Barber that really makes the second running back moot. So long as RB#1 softens 'em up, it really doesn't make a difference. Julius serves his purpose.

Convos like these actually MAKE me want to talk about the incessant Dwayne Bowe vs. Robert Meachem debate. Yeesh.

 

[zrinkill]

Yeah and Brady was found in the 6th, Johnny Unitas was undrafted, Terrell Davis was around the fourth or fifth round so I guess they just fall from trees, lol.

So now Turner is as good as Brady, Unitas, and Davis ......

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So now Turner is as good as Brady, Unitas, and Davis ......

exactly

 

[parchy]

So now Turner is as good as Brady, Unitas, and Davis ......

No, no, no. You got it all wrong, man.

He's got the field vision of Brady.

The toughness of Unitas.

The cut-back ability of Davis.

That clearly makes him better than anybody to ever play the game. If the Cowboys manage to nab this jewel of the off-season, forget the Super Bowl. The Cowboys are winning the World Series, the Stanley Cup and the Indy 500. Turner's modest, but he's considered a diety in thirteen Amazonian tribes and some parts of France.

 

[zrinkill]

No, no, no. You got it all wrong, man.

He's got the field vision of Brady.

The toughness of Unitas.

The cut-back ability of Davis.

That clearly makes him better than anybody to ever play the game. If the Cowboys manage to nab this jewel of the off-season, forget the Super Bowl. The Cowboys are winning the World Series, the Stanley Cup and the Indy 500. Turner's modest, but he's considered a diety in thirteen Amazonian tribes and some parts of France.

 

[gimmesix]

Bring back Keylon Kincade ... that would solve all of our problems.

 

[cowboyz]

Correction:

You think Turner is better because you think Turner can do all these things because you haven't seen as much of him as JuJo.

Those are the only facts in this equation. More facts: Turner has never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season

All we know about Turner is that he's not Julius Jones. And that's good enough for some people, apparently.

and if the cowboys relied on your FACTS they'd still be starting drew bledsoe.

FACT: YOU haven't seen enough of michael turner, doesn't mean everyone else can't make an evaluation.

MORE FACTS:turner is a back that runs with power and determination, something JJ does not do. Both have speed and limited moves. a speed guy that can at least break some tackles is better than just a speedy guy.

All you know is turner isn't a cowboy, and that's ALL you want to know, apparently.

 

[CowboyMike]

and if the cowboys relied on your FACTS they'd still be starting drew bledsoe.

FACT: YOU haven't seen enough of michael turner, doesn't mean everyone else can't make an evaluation.

FACT: Tony Romo didn't cost ANY draft picks. And certainly not as much as San Diego wants for Turner. Risk/Reward factor is very different comparing those two.

FACT: Julius Jones is a 1,000 rusher, something people around her have been begging for for years. Michael Turner is not.

MORE FACTS:turner is a back that runs with power and determination, something JJ does not do. Both have speed and limited moves. a speed guy that can at least break some tackles is better than just a speedy guy.

All you know is turner isn't a cowboy, and that's ALL you want to know, apparently.

FACT: Your FACTS are OPINIONS.

 

[zrinkill]

FACT is the grass is always greener on the other side ......

 

[Bob Sacamano]

FACT is the grass is always greener on the other side ......

shiny-object syndrome

I swear, some of these guys would fit right in on ES

 

[big dog cowboy]

MORE FACTS:turner is a back that runs with power and determination, something JJ does not do.

FACT: Julius Jones is a 1,000 rusher, something people around her have been begging for for years. Michael Turner is not.

So where does that leave us? Personally I think Wade takes the handcuffs BP put on Julius off and tell him to run like he used to. Then we don't need to use the draft picks on Turner.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Im pretty sure I mentioned this already but, If he was unrestricted I dont think I would sign him

 

[jrumann59]

Friggin grapefruit mentality.

 

[parchy]

and if the cowboys relied on your FACTS they'd still be starting drew bledsoe.

FACT: YOU haven't seen enough of michael turner, doesn't mean everyone else can't make an evaluation.

MORE FACTS:turner is a back that runs with power and determination, something JJ does not do. Both have speed and limited moves. a speed guy that can at least break some tackles is better than just a speedy guy.

All you know is turner isn't a cowboy, and that's ALL you want to know, apparently.

I'm still trying to figure out how one thing you just said is "fact."

....

Nope, still not computing.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, he only averaged about 6 yards a carry last year and backed up the best running back in the league. Jones split carries and was yanked at crucial times in games when he was splitting time with Barber who is around the 30th best running back in the league.

once upon a time Troy Hambrick was a backup RB.....

Turner hasnt had any games like JuJo has so far, in fact not alot of backs have had that number of really big games over the past 3 seasons...

David

 

[joseephuss]

once upon a time Troy Hambrick was a backup RB.....

Turner hasnt had any games like JuJo has so far, in fact not alot of backs have had that number of really big games over the past 3 seasons...

David

I don't like that arguement. There is a big reason Turner hasn't had any games like JuJo. That reason is LT. If the roles were reversed, Julius would not have any big games either. No backup to LT is going to get the opportunity to have a big game. Just like no backup to Emmitt ever did.

I like Turner, but not at that cost. I also like Julius and Marion and right now don't think running back is a top priority. Dallas can win with Jones and Barber. It is other areas on the team that need improving and picks are needed to fill those spots.

In my non-expert opinion Turner is better than Hambrick. I saw Hambrick average over 5 yards a carry as a backup in 2001. I was never that impressed with him then and how he got that high average. That average dipped to 4.0 per carry in 2002 on fewer carries, yet there were still some people enamored with him.

Michael Wiley averaged over 7 yards a carry in both those years and I wasn't impressed with him either. Neither guy looked like top running backs to me. They were able to break some long runs that built up their average, but didn't look like starters. The were good backups and nothing more. I see more ability in Turner than I ever saw in Troy or Michael, but due to his limited playing time there is still not enough information to support a trade of two picks. I like the player, just not the cost.

 

[dalboy]

all of you have to admit our line wasn't that great the past years thats going to change. I think we have to grab Justin Bualock at 22 to make sure JJ or MB3III can have a chance for some big runs.

 

[dannyboy]

Our Titans source tells us the team is "indeed very interested" in nabbing restricted free-agent Chargers RB Michael Turner after a "wonderful visit" to Nashville last week. The buzz is that the Titans offered their 19th overall pick and a 3rd-rounder for Turner and San Diego's 30th overall pick. So basically San Diego would just move up 11 spots in the 1st round plus add a 3rd-round pick. Turner's restricted tender actually calls for an extra 1st- (not just swapping up) and 3rd-rounder in compensation, so it's up to Chargers GM A.J. Smith to accept this lesser offer in a sign-and-trade deal. However, our source also says not only is Buffalo "really after him" but Green Bay is now "in the mix" as well... Fantasy Nation is watching this situation closely because not only could it shake up the NFL Draft with exchanged picks, many experts see Turner as capable of top-10 fantasy status in a feature role.


Dallas could and should beat that if it was legitimate offer.

I hope SD moves up as I would like to see us draft Darrelle Revis and Tenn needs a CB