Tush Push

[21Savage]

correct According to him we should go in the offseason with only the tush push as the primary goal to make sure we have the best offensive line to run that one play because that would have changed our whole season and he thinks that somehow Cooper BB is not a good center and we need another center I don't know what he's been watching and Hoffman at right guard seemed to be an improvement over Martin I think what's being missed here is it wasn't the offensive line or the quarterback or the running backs problem it was calling a deep ball to a six string wide receiver on 3rd and one versus running the ball twice on third one and 4th and one and probably getting it regardless of calling it a church Bush it was the play call it was the bad play calling it happened all the time with Mike McCarthy and somehow we're gonna blame the players and blame Jerry Jones as usual....

This would just be a play caller trying to get cute catch a team off guard that is waiting for the short yardage and then you throw the ball deep and if it works it's great the fact is the game meant nothing the season was over but yes the play call was suspect we didn't go for the touch push but we're gonna blame the owner and the offensive line for throwing the ball deep to a sixth string wide receiver at best with a backup quarterback..

That would be the spotlight would be on the play caller that decided to call that stupid play versus go for it he does that all the time tries to be cute whenever we're expecting to run he passes whenever he expect the pass he runs he never sticks to any basic principles in play calling but he had nothing to lose so he called to play...

Read my post again with your reading comprehension hat on.

 

[McKDaddy]

When the Center gets to line his head a foot past the football......then that's a problem. Refs too stupid to call the center offsides in the neutral zone.

I'm glad someone else notices this as well. The D is put in an awful situation form the beginning.

Having said that, I don't think it should be allowed in it's current form. It's more rugby than football. On most plays the refs have no idea where the ball is at nor when they should blow the whistle.

 

[Legendz82]

That may be true but that doesn’t mean it’s not Sirianni’s offense lol.

No it doesn’t. But, it is logical to think if it was 100% Nicks last year and then the qb said during install, that it is 95% new, then it is Kellen’s. If you also look at the Nicks interview when they announced Kellen’s hire. He said that Kellen’s offense share’s some similarities to his and Nick needed fresh ideas and he was going to hand the offense to Kellen.

 

[blueblood70]

Read my post again with your reading comprehension hat on.

Now I choose not to reread it it didn't have any priority or importance to me you're not AGM you don't run a team I mean you have credentials you own a sports team the size of the Dallas Cowboys you ever run a team that's this big and as vast and yet you think your opinions from what you think you saw from your screen have any weight with most fan bases here now you're a casual you're just saying things and you throw it up against the wall as opposed and expected to stick well I disagree with you whatever you were saying I saw something different I at least saw a silver lining and what we saw with the backup offensive lineman there's no need to panic and reach for another offensive lineman and go learn the tush push they need to find the best 5 offensive lineman most of which are already on this team get a better running back and then reset for 2025 it is 2025 thank the good Lord one last game Sunday afternoon we can start looking forward to the offseason hopefully to change the entire coaching staff and at least the fans get some relief there...

But no I will not read your post again whatever it was it not gonna matter it holds no water it holds no weight it means nothing in the grand scheme of things how you feel they need to go about running this professional franchise because you don't have any skins in the game nothing you say is gonna change what they do and make it right..

You had an opinion you stated it I disagreed with it move on...

 

[StarOfGlory]

You need real meat in the middle of the O line. dancers will get rolled when it matters

Not all big meat. Kelce only weighed 295-300, but he was super quick and explosive at the point of attack (and unusually strong for his size). Jurgens is about 305 and has the same attributes as Kelce.

So...center who gets off the snap and initiates contact. Now the real meat, 335-lb Dickerson and 365-lb Becton crash and drive. Massive Mailata, playing weight 380, and Johnson, 325 but very strong, attack the second level of the defense and keep a defender or two off the center pile. They usually run left as Mailata just goes crazy Aussie and pushes everything. Him and Dickerson are a moving wall.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Weird. I wonder why it spelled "Wii" instead of "We". I haven't owned a desktop in decades. I wonder if they change words too.

They might. I don't like change. I still use Windows 10. They needed to cancel Windows 7 to get me out of that. A lot of time the software I use won't output we're. It'll output were, and a lot of times I'll just leave it. Wii is weird. I could see 1 l but it's abnormal for 2 i's. I must not have had my readers on :/

 

[LovinItAll]

I was in denial the last few seasons that Jason Kelce was the big reason. And Hurts squats 800 lbs or whatever so that’s why. But if you can run it effectively with a replacement center and QB, then it should be malpractice if that’s not the primary play we perfect this offseason, as we fix the whole running game.

The luxury it affords you is both underestimated and undeniable. You can run the ball on 3rd and 5 knowing you’ll get the first on 4th down with a decent gain. The 3rd and 1 throw to Mingo could actually be great play where you take advantage of favorable coverage on a particular down, knowing that you are guaranteed to pick up a 1st on 4th and 1.

Between Smith, Bebe, and whatever upgrade with get at RG, this should be the ultimate priority this off

I don’t know - statistically - what the odds are of getting a QB injured on this play, but just because the Eagles QB didn’t get hurt this week doesn’t mean it isn’t a high risk play. They’ve got players pushing them from behind (sort of trapping them in) and very big dudes falling on them at the end of the play. What happens when a starting QB gets a bum leg after the play because they don’t have thighs as big as my waist like Hurts does? In a copycat league, you’d think there’s a reason more teams don’t do this on the regular like the Eagles. It’s all above my knowledge base, so idk.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I don’t know - statistically - what the odds are of getting a QB injured on this play, but just because the Eagles QB didn’t get hurt this week doesn’t mean it isn’t a high risk play. They’ve got players pushing them from behind (sort of trapping them in) and very big dudes falling on them at the end of the play. What happens when a starting QB gets a bum leg after the play because they don’t have thighs as big as my waist like Hurts does? In a copycat league, you’d think there’s a reason more teams don’t do this on the regular like the Eagles. It’s all above my knowledge base, so idk.

The Eagles ran the play with a quarterback in a flak jacket with broken ribs, twice. The injury thing comes from fans of 31 teams in the NFL. It’s BS.

 

[LovinItAll]

The Eagles ran the play with a quarterback in a flak jacket with broken ribs, twice. The injury thing comes from fans of 31 teams in the NFL. It’s BS.

I don’t think any team is thinking about the fans when they call a play. The Eagles have had great success running the play. Again, everyone knows the NFL is a copycat league, yet I haven’t seen a single team run the sneak the same way as the Eagles. I’d like to hear an NFL coach explain why.

 

[DZSierra]

I don’t know - statistically - what the odds are of getting a QB injured on this play, but just because the Eagles QB didn’t get hurt this week doesn’t mean it isn’t a high risk play.

Although the article is from last year, I don't think there is anything in 2024 that has increased the injury rate on that one particular play...

https://www.bigblueview.com/2023/10...ck-qb-sneak-tush-push-injury-rate-giants-news

Looking again, the latest article I could find on the play...

https://nodereportload.bleacherrepo...sh-push-play-will-be-legal-during-2024-season

Reality is football is a contact sport, and ANY one play, given certain events can be devastating to player.

Personally, I'm convinced the highest chance of a injury to a QB is when he drops back to pass.

Ironically enough, this is the play that took out Dak for the rest of the season (I understand this is not a Dak thread, just using his injury as an example).



Football is a hard hitting contact sport. Injuries are going to happen no matter what IMO.

How many linemen do you see injured by being rolled over by their own players?

 

[khiladi]

Eagles beat reporter verbatim said it’s Sirianni’s offense and you are arguing against it because he’s running motion as if he can’t add motion to his offense lol. Unbelievable.

You will just say anything. The Texas West Coast also kept a lot of what Moore was doing, as that is what Dak was operating under and they developed, while adding West Coast concepts. Of course Moore is going to keep certain things, just like he did with the Chargers, because that's what OC do.

 

[khiladi]

What I referenced disproves what you said (quoted below) about Dak's inability to run motion. Kellen ran motion 48% with the Cowboys, which was around the league average.


I wasn't trying to answer every question you asked.

No, you were trying to say that Moore ran motion here and it didn;'t work in the play-offs. Never have we run motion as much as Moore is running it withe Chargers or Eagles,

Dak is a dummy and like I said, we ran motion around the LEAGUE AVERAGE his last two years here and McCarthy was using it bottom of the league, until the BYE. And yes, we got a dummy at QB, which is why McCarthy dumbed down the offense for Dak after all his bone-headed INTs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You will just say anything. The Texas West Coast also kept a lot of what Moore was doing, as that is what Dak was operating under and they developed, while adding West Coast concepts. Of course Moore is going to keep certain things, just like he did with the Chargers, because that's what OC do.

Ok man I don’t know what you want me to say I say it’s Sirianni’s offense I prove the claim and you dispute it based on noting but your opinion and lollipops….its not making sense.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

No, you were trying to say that Moore ran motion here and it didn;'t work in the play-offs. Never have we run motion as much as Moore is running it withe Chargers or Eagles,

Dak is a dummy and like I said, we ran motion around the LEAGUE AVERAGE his last two years here and McCarthy was using it bottom of the league, until the BYE. And yes, we got a dummy at QB, which is why McCarthy dumbed down the offense for Dak after all his bone-headed INTs.

So you're telling me Kellen ran motion 48% of the time eventhough Dak was too "bone-headed" to run it? Come on man, they were 12-5 that year.

No matter how many times or ways you call Dak dumb, it doesn't make it true... especially when you're just assuming their strategy.

 

[Runwildboys]

IMO, there are two reasons to eliminate the Tush Push:

1) It's so hard to distinguish where the ball is, and when the QB is down. There are times when his knee or even his elbow touched the ground, but his body is so obscured by bigger bodies, you can't tell.

2) It's boring. It's like watching Walmart open, when they started selling Twinkies again. To me, it looks like a completely different sport, like a tug-of-war, but in the opposite direction...or a team version of Sumo wrestling.

I hate watching fumbles, when there are 5 or 6 guys on the dog pile, and you know the first person to possess the ball probably isn't the one who walks away with it. The Tush Push is similar to that, for me.

 

[KingCorcoran]

IMO, there are two reasons to eliminate the Tush Push:

1) It's so hard to distinguish where the ball is, and when the QB is down. There are times when his knee or even his elbow touched the ground, but his body is so obscured by bigger bodies, you can't tell.

2) It's boring. It's like watching Walmart open, when they started selling Twinkies again. To me, it looks like a completely different sport, like a tug-of-war, but in the opposite direction...or a team version of Sumo wrestling.

I hate watching fumbles, when there are 5 or 6 guys on the dog pile, and you know the first person to possess the ball probably isn't the one who walks away with it. The Tush Push is similar to that, for me.

The was a time when it was against the rules to push the player with the ball. The rule was changed 18 years ago.

 

[Runwildboys]

The was a time when it was against the rules to push the player with the ball. The rule was changed 18 years ago.

They've changed many rules for the worse. But they wouldn't have to change it back. Just add the provision that you can't do it behind the LoS.

 

[KingCorcoran]

They've changed many rules for the worse. But they wouldn't have to change it back. Just add the provision that you can't do it behind the LoS.

The league will not set the precedent of even the appearance of penalizing one team to the benefit of other teams.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I was in denial the last few seasons that Jason Kelce was the big reason. And Hurts squats 800 lbs or whatever so that’s why. But if you can run it effectively with a replacement center and QB, then it should be malpractice if that’s not the primary play we perfect this offseason, as we fix the whole running game.

The luxury it affords you is both underestimated and undeniable. You can run the ball on 3rd and 5 knowing you’ll get the first on 4th down with a decent gain. The 3rd and 1 throw to Mingo could actually be great play where you take advantage of favorable coverage on a particular down, knowing that you are guaranteed to pick up a 1st on 4th and 1.

Between Smith, Bebe, and whatever upgrade with get at RG, this should be the ultimate priority this off

Yeah, Jerry sent Kellen over there so he can bring him and hire him. He’s on an inside job over there! Lmao