Tush Push

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Here is another example how the Eagles have been allowed to cheat.....Center has half of his body over the football before the snap.

A player is offside when any part of his body or his person is in the neutral zone, or is beyond the kicking team’s restraining line for an onside kick or fair catch kick line when the ball is put in play, unless he is a holder of a place kick for an onside kick (6-1-6-d-1) or fair catch kick (11-4-3), or a kicker for an onside kick (6-1-6-d-2). The snapper is offside if any part of his body is beyond the neutral zone. The kicker is not offside unless his kicking foot is beyond his restraining line when the ball is kicked.

For a snapper to be offsides, they need to be on Dallas’ side of the neutral zone. They are allowed to be in the neutral zone; if they weren’t, they couldn’t snap the ball.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I was in denial the last few seasons that Jason Kelce was the big reason. And Hurts squats 800 lbs or whatever so that’s why. But if you can run it effectively with a replacement center and QB, then it should be malpractice if that’s not the primary play we perfect this offseason, as we fix the whole running game.

The luxury it affords you is both underestimated and undeniable. You can run the ball on 3rd and 5 knowing you’ll get the first on 4th down with a decent gain. The 3rd and 1 throw to Mingo could actually be great play where you take advantage of favorable coverage on a particular down, knowing that you are guaranteed to pick up a 1st on 4th and 1.

Between Smith, Bebe, and whatever upgrade with get at RG, this should be the ultimate priority this off

Jurgens is a starting center in the NFL. And a good one. Jurgens/Dickerson/Mailata is a very good center/leftside of an OLine. It’s part of what they do, but soon all 32 teams will be doing it to similar success.

 

[Cowboys5217]

It's that offensive line. Philly right now has a top ten all time offensive line that I have ever seen play. The Tush Push works with goofy looking skinny guys just as well as with Hurts, and they have run blocked for the guy who is going to break a near 40 year old rushing record.

Philly is dangerous to KC, Buffalo, Minny, and Detroit for that very reason. They can road grade anybody's defense.

 

[noshame]

Post his Chargers stats….

The chargers offense was horrid, no receivers and an injured quarterback, and so yeah. KM was not the problem.

 

[noshame]

Do you really think Dak with his ankle would fare well under a ton of weight?

 

[Legendz82]

A player is offside when any part of his body or his person is in the neutral zone, or is beyond the kicking team’s restraining line for an onside kick or fair catch kick line when the ball is put in play, unless he is a holder of a place kick for an onside kick (6-1-6-d-1) or fair catch kick (11-4-3), or a kicker for an onside kick (6-1-6-d-2). The snapper is offside if any part of his body is beyond the neutral zone. The kicker is not offside unless his kicking foot is beyond his restraining line when the ball is kicked.

For a snapper to be offsides, they need to be on Dallas’ side of the neutral zone. They are allowed to be in the neutral zone; if they weren’t, they couldn’t snap the ball.

Please don’t shoot out facts like that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The chargers offense was horrid, no receivers and an injured quarterback, and so yeah. KM was not the problem.

Yet Herbert’s stats are worse this year than last lol. Injuries are apart of the game.

So basically if Moore doesn’t have all pro weapons his offense suffers? Guys like McVay produce with whatever is on the field.

 

[khiladi]

He ran motion here and it didn't work in the playoffs. Also Kellen didn't invent the Tush Push, so Im sure not of your point.

Buddy, Dallas was one of the lowest in pre-snap usage with Moore here. For example, in 2021 they were 24th:



They were roughly better the last 2 years at league average.

Moore did everything to adjust for Mr. Bonehead behind center.

They were actually like dead last before the bye with McCarthy his 1st year calling plays. They upped it after the bye with Lamb.

Dak is just not it buddy.

 

[khiladi]

Excuses….but thankfully Chargers don’t operate with excuses and canned him and Staley.

Wrong.. they refused to allow him to interview and were keeping him, unless Harbaugh took over and brought in his own staff. That gave Harbaugh complete control.

Like I said, you didn’t watch them.

 

[blueblood70]

I was in denial the last few seasons that Jason Kelce was the big reason. And Hurts squats 800 lbs or whatever so that’s why. But if you can run it effectively with a replacement center and QB, then it should be malpractice if that’s not the primary play we perfect this offseason, as we fix the whole running game.

The luxury it affords you is both underestimated and undeniable. You can run the ball on 3rd and 5 knowing you’ll get the first on 4th down with a decent gain. The 3rd and 1 throw to Mingo could actually be great play where you take advantage of favorable coverage on a particular down, knowing that you are guaranteed to pick up a 1st on 4th and 1.

Between Smith, Bebe, and whatever upgrade with get at RG, this should be the ultimate priority this off

the ultimate priority should be what learning the tush push lol they're pretty much the only team that does it like that and who knows why but everyone has a short yardage line like that goal to go the goal line stand but they just do it better but I'm not sure what you're saying.... You trying to tell me that Cooper BB can't run that play I mean are you serious you think we need to replacement at quarterback and center so we can run a tooth push that's what you want you want us to just go in there and say we need to have the best offensive line in football even though the Philadelphia Eagles or whoever it might be that year is the only team that can claim that all 32 teams need to get their line fixed so they can run the tush push that's your opinion that's what we were lacking this year are you kidding me Hoffman has that kind of attitude for a right guard he's big he's strong the problem here is Mike McCarthy in the offensive coordinator they called that on 4th and one or third and one the ball wasn't thrown properly or the receiver didn't adjust properly but it wasn't the problem the problem was the play call that would be Mike McCarthy had nothing to do with the offensive line 'cause I'm betting with Prescott or even an average quarterback if you go for it the odds are you probably would get it it didn't have to be the twist push it's a matter of lining up and actually running the play...

 

[blueblood70]

teams all across the league run it including Dallas

They run it in college and in the ufl

Philly is just elite at it

correct According to him we should go in the offseason with only the tush push as the primary goal to make sure we have the best offensive line to run that one play because that would have changed our whole season and he thinks that somehow Cooper BB is not a good center and we need another center I don't know what he's been watching and Hoffman at right guard seemed to be an improvement over Martin I think what's being missed here is it wasn't the offensive line or the quarterback or the running backs problem it was calling a deep ball to a six string wide receiver on 3rd and one versus running the ball twice on third one and 4th and one and probably getting it regardless of calling it a church Bush it was the play call it was the bad play calling it happened all the time with Mike McCarthy and somehow we're gonna blame the players and blame Jerry Jones as usual....

This would just be a play caller trying to get cute catch a team off guard that is waiting for the short yardage and then you throw the ball deep and if it works it's great the fact is the game meant nothing the season was over but yes the play call was suspect we didn't go for the touch push but we're gonna blame the owner and the offensive line for throwing the ball deep to a sixth string wide receiver at best with a backup quarterback..

That would be the spotlight would be on the play caller that decided to call that stupid play versus go for it he does that all the time tries to be cute whenever we're expecting to run he passes whenever he expect the pass he runs he never sticks to any basic principles in play calling but he had nothing to lose so he called to play...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Wrong.. they refused to allow him to interview and were keeping him, unless Harbaugh took over and brought in his own staff. That gave Harbaugh complete control.

Like I said, you didn’t watch them.

It’s common sense. If they wanted him he would be there. You didn’t even know Moore was calling plays from Sirianni’s playbook lol…..so it’s hard to take your opinion serious on this matter.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

People bashed Moore with complete ignorance. As soon as Moore took over, there were changes in the offense.

Agreed. The prevailing negative view of Moore around here is a classic example of group think with no basis in fact.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Buddy, Dallas was one of the lowest in pre-snap usage with Moore here. For example, in 2021 they were 24th:



They were roughly better the last 2 years at league average.

Moore did everything to adjust for Mr. Bonehead behind center.

They were actually like dead last before the bye with McCarthy his 1st year calling plays. They upped it after the bye with Lamb.

Dak is just not it buddy.

In your reference, he's talking about motion "At the snap". He also added overall motion percentage's later down the timeline.

"Number on right is all shifts/motion (including motion man coming set pre-snap)."

 

[Captain43Crash]

teams all across the league run it including Dallas

They run it in college and in the ufl

Philly is just elite at it

Dallas does not run it like Philly! They should, but they don’t! Our O line does not get near as low as they do. We very seldom have a pusher behind the QB.

We would rather run the jet sweep and get stuffed for a 3 yard loss!

 

[Captain43Crash]

They had replacements for the top two principals that made it work in this game. Which means it’s reproducible and teams should spend at any costs to do so because it confers unfair advantages.

Which division rivals know it’s coming, line up offsides, and still can’t stop it, it should become the focus of any offense until banned.

I agree! It is a huge advantage.

So many stupid teams hand the ball off 3 yards behind the LOS and the defense gets penetration and stuffs the play in the backfield.

 

[khiladi]

In your reference, he's talking about motion "At the snap". He also added overall motion percentage's later down the timeline.

"Number on right is all shifts/motion (including motion man coming set pre-snap)."

So tell me how does that contradict anything I said?

 

[Runwildboys]

Wii run the QB sneak as well as any other team including the Eagles.

Wow, how much do you talk online about gaming, when your autocorrect changes "we" to "Wii"?

 

[Runwildboys]

It's always been impressive but doing it effectively with backup QBs surprised me

I still don't fully understand the mechanics, but defenders going over the top doesn't seem to do anything since OL & QB appear to be burrowing down/forward

It's definitely a skill that PHI OL guys have mastered.

Since they can push each other over the line on offense, is the defense allowed to do the same thing?...and if so, would it help?

 

[HungryLion]

Yet Herbert’s stats are worse this year than last lol. Injuries are apart of the game.

So basically if Moore doesn’t have all pro weapons his offense suffers? Guys like McVay produce with whatever is on the field.

The offenses here with the cowboys were consistently top 5 with Kellen.

I think he is a good OC.