Twin TE Formation (the 3-4 of offense?)

[Galian Beast]

I still see people complaining about getting Fasano in the 2nd round...

You do realize that we're dropping the fullback position from the roster right?

The twin tight end formation is like the 3-4 on offense in the sense that it leaves the defense guessing, or more acurately keeps the defense honest.

We play the formation all day, and then they really don't know what to expect. They can't blitz willy nilly, and that helps protect bledsoe in addition to having 7 offensive linemen (5+2).

It also opens up holes for the running game as teams will eventually drop in the nickel to contain Witten. And when teams remain in the 4-3, they'll spread out their linebackers in order to contain the possible run on both sides.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

I am ok with the idea of this. WE basically started it last year with the OL going downhill. It can't hurt.

 

[Doomsday]

The Colts have been using this a lot of 2 TE set formations for a few years now. It will be interesting if Dallas uses some no huddle this season out of that package.

 

[silver]

i don't think we're dropping the fullback position altogether. Me thinks Polite has a place on the roster. Fasano might start, but the fullback should get some playing time.

 

[Galian Beast]

It really isn't the same, especially not with Campbell in the condition that he was.

We threw out of a 2 tight end formation only 77 times last year. We ran out of it 42 times...

Meaning a little over 7 times a game...

It looks to become our standard offense this year.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The formation has grown on me.

I remember a couple of weeks back the Skins fans on their site where claiming that Dallas was drafting defensively just to stop the Skins.

Personally, I thought that was misguided.

Where I do think Dallas has been gearing up to counter the Skins is on offense. They've got a RB that excels at running the draw play and they continue to try to run the screen pass (even if they suck at it). They got a burner in Glenn and a possession guy in Crayton & Key. Now they have T.O. whose best attribute is catching short passes and taking them deep.

Now with Fasano and the two TE set, it's pretty apparent that they want to find more ways to be effective against the blitz.

The only problem is that the Eagles were the first blitzing defense when Parcells first became coach. When the Skins followed suit with the same scheme, that only gave the Cowboys more reason to change their offense.

Whether all of this will work or not is still the question.


Rich.......

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The Colts have been using this a lot of 2 TE set formations for a few years now. It will be interesting if Dallas uses some no huddle this season out of that package.

So have the Patriots and the Skins did last year for the most part. The big difference to me is that it appears that Fasano will be the roving TE and Witten will be the stationary TE. The Pats basically had two stationary TE's (Watson and Graham) and the Skins had two roving TE's (Cooley and Sellers).

Rich.........

 

[Galian Beast]

Jones said he was getting out of the fullback business.

 

[Doomsday]

I think BP has been trying to run more 2 TE packages since he got here. It was affective his first season because Campbell was healthy.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I still see people complaining about getting Fasano in the 2nd round...

You do realize that we're dropping the fullback position from the roster right?

The twin tight end formation is like the 3-4 on offense in the sense that it leaves the defense guessing, or more acurately keeps the defense honest.

We play the formation all day, and then they really don't know what to expect. They can't blitz willy nilly, and that helps protect bledsoe in addition to having 7 offensive linemen (5+2).

It also opens up holes for the running game as teams will eventually drop in the nickel to contain Witten. And when teams remain in the 4-3, they'll spread out their linebackers in order to contain the possible run on both sides.

Well, said but a few things have to talk about. First of all, we would need a RB capable of hitting the hole with extreme authority. We need the Julius of 2004 to be any good at running the ball.

Second of all, we have to be able to not have to help out OT's out on every play. Max Protect is never good for a passing game.

And lastly, we need our Oline to play alot better than last year.

 

[Galian Beast]

So have the Patriots and the Skins did last year for the most part. The big difference to me is that it appears that Fasano will be the roving TE and Witten will be the stationary TE. The Pats basically had two stationary TE's (Watson and Graham) and the Skins had two roving TE's (Cooley and Sellers).

Rich.........

You're a LITTLE off base.

No team in the NFL really uses the twin tight end formation like we're going to. At least not to my knowledge.

And Witten will be more of a roving tight end. This move was made to allow Witten to be more of a facet in the passing game, where as last year he had to help Petitti, and that hurt our passing game.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I believe the ND TE will help us alot.......especially if something happen to Witten.....knock on wood

 

[Galian Beast]

Well, said but a few things have to talk about. First of all, we would need a RB capable of hitting the hole with extreme authority. We need the Julius of 2004 to be any good at running the ball.

Second of all, we have to be able to not have to help out OT's out on every play. Max Protect is never good for a passing game.

And lastly, we need our Oline to play alot better than last year.

First I wouldn't give up on Julius so quickly. First he was playing with a lot of cumbersome weight. Second he was coming off a pretty bad ankle injury that should have put him down for the year. It was that serious according to Parcells. Third he didn't get ANY help from the offensive line. When he did break big plays they got called back for holding.

As for helping the OTs out, that is why we got Fabini. We don't need to help fabini and adams out... Adams is sometimes pro bowl quality, and fabini believe it or not is just a notch below pro bowl. If Pro Bowl was S class, Fabini would easily be an A class player. Not a pro bowler, but definitely one of the best tackles in the nfl. He anchored the jets offensive line from the left tackle position. Him and Mawae were the staples of Curtis Martin's continued success.

As for max protect, it is pretty good in our case. That is the entire point of getting Terrell Owens. Max protect schemes when we need to use them will be far more succesful because of the seperation our receivers will be getting.

 

[THUMPER]

I have no problem with drafting another TE to play in a 2-TE set but in the 2nd round? I believe we could have gotten a good player in a later round and used that 2nd rounder on a different, more critical position. OTs Jeremy Trueblood, Charles Spencer, or Eric Winston would have been better picks IMO. OG Paul McQuistan was also available at the time.

TEs are a dime a dozen unless you are talking about an elite 1st round talent which we aren't here.

Don't get me wrong, I like this kid and think he will be a good player for us, I just think we could have gotten better value with that pick.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I'm actually excited about this...I think having two qualiyy TE's, Glenn and TO on the field at the same time will cause major confusion. We have a QB that can throw deep and we now have two stud TE's that can stretch the LB's or be 1st down targets.

Not even getting into what are we going to do in this formation??? JJ and Barber will benefit from this big time. This fairly new look at and a more seasoned 3-4 defense with big time depth in the front seven is going to be fun to watch this year.

Oline is still a concern, but with two TE sets we can help with that a lot.

 

[AbeBeta]

The big difference to me is that it appears that Fasano will be the roving TE and Witten will be the stationary TE.

Actually, I think Jerry said that Witten is the roving TE and Fasano plays stationary -- he also said they didn't draft another TE (Pope I assume) because it would mean moving Witten to a stationary position.

I might have this jumbled but I'm pretty sure that was correct

 

[Doomsday]

You're a LITTLE off base.

No team in the NFL really uses the twin tight end formation like we're going to. At least not to my knowledge.

And Witten will be more of a roving tight end. This move was made to allow Witten to be more of a facet in the passing game, where as last year he had to help Petitti, and that hurt our passing game.

Jerry stated Witten will be the stationary TE and Fasano will be a moving TE - Hback. There is no way they are going to have Witten playing H back taking a pounding as a lead blocker. This is real similar to what the Colts do with Clark and Fletcher.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Jerry stated Witten will be the stationary TE and Fasano will be a moving TE - Hback. This is real similar to what the Colts do with Clark and Fletcher.

That's what I thought he said too...

This would mean Witten would be involved more in the passing game and Fasano lead blocker, stay at home blocker, pass pattern...etc..

I'm gonna like this!

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't remember Jones saying anything about Fasano playing lead blocker or hback. He simply said we'd start two tight ends. And Witten would be implemented more in the passing game because of it.

 

[fortdick]

I still see people complaining about getting Fasano in the 2nd round...

You do realize that we're dropping the fullback position from the roster right?

The twin tight end formation is like the 3-4 on offense in the sense that it leaves the defense guessing, or more acurately keeps the defense honest.

We play the formation all day, and then they really don't know what to expect. They can't blitz willy nilly, and that helps protect bledsoe in addition to having 7 offensive linemen (5+2).

It also opens up holes for the running game as teams will eventually drop in the nickel to contain Witten. And when teams remain in the 4-3, they'll spread out their linebackers in order to contain the possible run on both sides.

Good analysis. No more bringing the house blitz's. All the DB's have to stay home just to cover Popcorn, Glenn and Witten. Fasano will be covered by a LB, leaving six in the box to stop JJ. That is a huge improvement over last year!