Two flat-out lies Troy Aikman told last night

[SteveTheCowboy]

I can’t believe some fans are wrapped up emotionally in a meaningless game in DECEMBER. The season is OVER. Has been over since the clock went 0:00 at GB. The lack of investment in the team, the greed, the bad contracts, the misplaced nostalgia for Zeke…*** are you lemmings gnashing your teeth about? C’mon…

Man the zeke hate is strong around these parts.

Were in the same mess with or without zeke.

 

[CWR]

That interception was pretty iffy and highlights how bad the NFL rules are regarding what is and isn't a catch.

A big portion of the ball was secured against the ground, how is that catch when you have to secure it through going to the ground?

There was a lot more ground on that ball then the Dez CATCH.

 

[cmoney23]

LMAOOOOOOO!!!!

1) CeeDee is bracing for contact in that pic. He got laid out. Why not show a still of him actually being hit? Well, I know why you didn't.

2) That last pic of Chase Brown kills your entire argument. Zoom in on that foot and tell me there is ZERO CHANCE that his heel is slightly on the white line.

I was in a bit busy yesterday so I couldn't give you a full a proper response. So here you go...

"Definition of Illegal Contact
Illegal contact occurs when a defensive player makes contact with an eligible receiver more than five yards beyond the line of scrimmage while the quarterback is still in the pocket and the ball has not been thrown. This contact must impede the receiver’s ability to continue their route or progress down the field."

"Definition of Pass Interference
Pass interference happens when a defensive player makes illegal contact with a receiver while the ball is in the air, preventing the receiver from catching the pass. This interference could involve pushing, pulling, or any action that physically disrupts the receiver’s ability to reach or catch the ball. Unlike illegal contact, pass interference can occur {after 1 yard beyond the LOS} and is called once the ball has been thrown.

Pass interference can also be called on the offense if the receiver engages in similar actions to prevent the defender from making a play on the ball, though this is less common."

"Key Differences Between Illegal Contact and Pass Interference:
Type of Contact
Illegal contact usually involves less severe actions, such as pushing, grabbing, or impeding the receiver’s progress down the field while the quarterback is still holding the ball. These infractions occur within the first few seconds of a play as the receiver runs their route.

Pass interference, on the other hand, involves more direct attempts to disrupt the receiver’s ability to catch the ball. This can include physical actions like shoving the receiver, pulling on their jersey, or making contact with them before the ball arrives."

So, with that understanding of the rules, we can look at the "tape"

Initial contact with the defender:

Ball is still in rushes hand. WR is about 2 yards from the LOS. Not illegal contact, nor PI. Most likely chalked up to incidental contact. (Could be seen as OPI, if the ball was thrown to Ferg. down field)

Mid contact point:

the ball has just left rushes hand, can't even really register it on the image due to the velocity on it. But this is the most contacted point of the route. ( Not laid out, as you will see)

End of contact:

Ball is about half way to Lamb, and the contact is about done.

No contact:

Ball is almost to the defender who deflects it up in the air for the INT.

So, as you can clearly see, when the contact is initiated, the ball is still in Rushes hand and within 5 yards of the LOS. Bad break, but no call isn't terrible.


I'm not even going to get into you on the Chase Brown TD... everyone can clearly see he's inbounds. Can't help you take off your goggles.

 

[Adreme]

There is no stopwatch element to the catch rule. If you can show me where in the rule it states that the receiver has to have possession of the ball for a certain number of seconds I will stand down but I know all it states is to have possession with both feet on the ground and make a move common to the game. That receiver did that. The fact that he did it "quickly" was because he knew he was about to get blasted and he was trying to get away. The rule doesn't state you have to do things in slow motion or it doesn't count.

Its literally in the definition of the word possession. If the ball is bobbling and then it briefly stops and then it gets knocked out you never possessed it. You never had control of it and you certainly did not have control of it with 2 feet down let alone ALSO make a football move in that timeframe. Yes when you play in slow motion everything looks like possession but in real time it is clear he never had control of that ball for any length of time you could call possession.

 

[Nav22]

I was in a bit busy yesterday so I couldn't give you a full a proper response. So here you go...

"Definition of Illegal Contact
Illegal contact occurs when a defensive player makes contact with an eligible receiver more than five yards beyond the line of scrimmage while the quarterback is still in the pocket and the ball has not been thrown. This contact must impede the receiver’s ability to continue their route or progress down the field."

"Definition of Pass Interference
Pass interference happens when a defensive player makes illegal contact with a receiver while the ball is in the air, preventing the receiver from catching the pass. This interference could involve pushing, pulling, or any action that physically disrupts the receiver’s ability to reach or catch the ball. Unlike illegal contact, pass interference can occur {after 1 yard beyond the LOS} and is called once the ball has been thrown.

Pass interference can also be called on the offense if the receiver engages in similar actions to prevent the defender from making a play on the ball, though this is less common."

"Key Differences Between Illegal Contact and Pass Interference:
Type of Contact
Illegal contact usually involves less severe actions, such as pushing, grabbing, or impeding the receiver’s progress down the field while the quarterback is still holding the ball. These infractions occur within the first few seconds of a play as the receiver runs their route.

Pass interference, on the other hand, involves more direct attempts to disrupt the receiver’s ability to catch the ball. This can include physical actions like shoving the receiver, pulling on their jersey, or making contact with them before the ball arrives."

So, with that understanding of the rules, we can look at the "tape"

Initial contact with the defender:

Ball is still in rushes hand. WR is about 2 yards from the LOS. Not illegal contact, nor PI. Most likely chalked up to incidental contact. (Could be seen as OPI, if the ball was thrown to Ferg. down field)

Mid contact point:

the ball has just left rushes hand, can't even really register it on the image due to the velocity on it. But this is the most contacted point of the route. ( Not laid out, as you will see)

End of contact:

Ball is about half way to Lamb, and the contact is about done.

No contact:

Ball is almost to the defender who deflects it up in the air for the INT.

So, as you can clearly see, when the contact is initiated, the ball is still in Rushes hand and within 5 yards of the LOS. Bad break, but no call isn't terrible.


I'm not even going to get into you on the Chase Brown TD... everyone can clearly see he's inbounds. Can't help you take off your goggles.

Thanks for the breakdown. I'm wrong about the Lamb play if he was indeed hit before the ball was released.

I'll die on this hill that the Brown TD, even if you think it looked inbounds, was not "indisputable evidence". There are angles and screenshots which are hazy at best. By rule, that means the call on the field should stand.

AT THE VERY LEAST, it wasn't the open-and-shut case that Troy and company pretended it was on their very first glance at a replay.

 

[eromeopolk]

I knew Troy disliked Jerry, but MAN!


1) Cooper Rush's INT.

CeeDee Lamb gets blasted (unintentionally) with the ball in the air, by a DB who happened to be chasing a different receiver at the time. It was an accidental collision, but still a collision.

Troy said it was perfectly legal and not a penalty!


Rules experts... show me where in the rulebook it states that a DB can blast a WR with the ball in the air, SO LONG AS he was chasing a different receiver at the time.

Something tells me this "rule" has never existed and is something Troy simply made up, in order to legitimize the bogus INT he just witnessed.

2) Chase Brown's tightrope walk TD.

The call on the field was that he stepped out of bounds before scoring. I've seen the replays from every single angle. I've studied screenshots from every angle.

There is NO UNIVERSE in which there was anything conclusive to overturn the call on the field. It was insanely close.

Troy, Joe Buck and the "rules expert" then collectively decided to lie to the nation and pretend it was OBVIOUSLY a TD and certainly conclusive!


Naturally, the refs agreed and gave Cincy the TD. Complete and utter horse****.

They lost. Get over it. This team was not going to anyone's playoff. It would have been nice to win out. But don't drink the Jerry Dumbo GM Jones Kool Aid.

Troy was right as it was a pick play to free the TE and Rush went brain dead.
The RB stayed in bounds and it was ruled in bounds and confirm during commercial break.

 

[TwentyOne]

I knew Troy disliked Jerry, but MAN!


1) Cooper Rush's INT.

CeeDee Lamb gets blasted (unintentionally) with the ball in the air, by a DB who happened to be chasing a different receiver at the time. It was an accidental collision, but still a collision.

Troy said it was perfectly legal and not a penalty!


Rules experts... show me where in the rulebook it states that a DB can blast a WR with the ball in the air, SO LONG AS he was chasing a different receiver at the time.

Something tells me this "rule" has never existed and is something Troy simply made up, in order to legitimize the bogus INT he just witnessed.

2) Chase Brown's tightrope walk TD.

The call on the field was that he stepped out of bounds before scoring. I've seen the replays from every single angle. I've studied screenshots from every angle.

There is NO UNIVERSE in which there was anything conclusive to overturn the call on the field. It was insanely close.

Troy, Joe Buck and the "rules expert" then collectively decided to lie to the nation and pretend it was OBVIOUSLY a TD and certainly conclusive!


Naturally, the refs agreed and gave Cincy the TD. Complete and utter horse****.

Why dont you read the rulebook by yourself, then post your conclusions here based on sources you also provide?!

That, before you call someone a liar.

 

[mahoneybill]

Love Troy as our player but can't stand him in the boof.

Old hot mic Troy......he lost me when he mocked our militaries flyover.

He and Buck who can be worse are unfortunately my worst duo
as I too respect his on field accomplishments but when they are on I mute them

 

[DallasEast]

..........

That is awesome!

 

[Nav22]

Why dont you read the rulebook by yourself, then post your conclusions here based on sources you also provide?!

That, before you call someone a liar.

Which rule did I have wrong?

LOL, this should be good. There you go trying to come off as intelligent again.

Answer the question.

 

[Creeper]

When I saw this play I was wondering about PI too. Contact is legal within 5 yards, but I believe if the ball is in the air, PI rules apply.

I believe the contact occurred before the ball was released. I could be wrong. If the ball was in the air then it was definitely PI because the defender was not playing the ball, and he definitely impeded the receivers path to the ball. Incidental contact does not apply in this case because the contact was more than just a tangling of feet or hands.

If CeeDee ran into the defender, they could have called offensive pass interference.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Man the zeke hate is strong around these parts.

Were in the same mess with or without zeke.

not hate, just the facts. I loved Zeke in 2016 and I love his spirit overall. But his offseason conditioning was poor up until he needed contracts. He didn't put in the work that Derrick Henry did to extend his prime. So, the facts are he is washed up. Have you seen the decline in his avg. yards/game?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dumbest fanbase in sports.